I Was a Teenage JFK Conspiracy Freak (new book)

[Thomas Graves]

Rob,

"JFK was killed by the evil, evil, evil CIA because he was threatening to pull U.S. forces out of South Vietnam, and was secretly improving relations with Fidel Castro, etc, etc, etc."

Fact or opinion?

Regardless, how many uncontested, established facts about the assassination can you offer us?

LOL

-- Tommy

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Caprio wrote:

Why are you attributing this to me? Either quote me saying this or admit that you are using dishonest tactics.

Typical LNer tactic. *You* claimed that the Russians and the KGB were involved in the murder of JFK, but instead of supporting that you are trying to but the burden on me. That is very dishonest.

It is clear that you are just offering an opinion.



Rob,

1) Why are you so defensive?  Did I attribute that "statement" to you, or is it more of a general-but-concise caricature of the typical "The CIA Killed JFK" conspiracy theorist's mind set?

2) Which part of the Military Industrial Intelligence Community Complex do you believe killed Kennedy?  (LOL)

3) Got any ... uhh ... informed, fact-based opinions, like I do? 

4) Read that page in Riebling's "Wedge," yet?  How about this nifty 35-page pdf by Tennent H. Bagley for some background as to ... well, ... as to how the "KGB" really did win the Cold War, as evidenced by KGB-boy Putin's recent installation (with help from his lackey-agent Assange) of "useful idiot" Donald Trump as our president, thereby bringing to fruition decades of highly successful "active measures" and "operational deception" counterintelligence operations (the JFK assassination very probably being one of them) against our now highly gullible and "dumbed-down" and ... gasp ... brainwashed body politic.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08850607.2014.962362


-- Tommy 

[Rob Caprio]

Rob,

"JFK was killed by the evil, evil, evil CIA because he was threatening to pull U.S. forces out of South Vietnam, and was secretly improving relations with Fidel Castro, etc, etc, etc."

Fact or opinion?

Regardless, how many uncontested, established facts about the assassination can you offer us?

LOL

-- Tommy

...

Caprio wrote:

Why are you attributing this to me? Either quote me saying this or admit that you are using dishonest tactics.

Typical LNer tactic. *You* claimed that the Russians and the KGB were involved in the murder of JFK, but instead of supporting that you are trying to but the burden on me. That is very dishonest.

It is clear that you are just offering an opinion.



Rob,

1) Why are you so defensive?  Did I attribute that "statement" to you, or is it more of a general-but-concise caricature of the typical "The CIA Killed JFK" conspiracy theorist's mind set?

Generally when someone is responding to me I think they are talking to me and not some group they have invented. I haven't mentioned the CIA once so why are you mentioning them in EVERY reply to me?

You are attributing statements to me that I have NOT said and then you call me defensive? LOL. Good one.

2) Which part of the Military Industrial Intelligence Community Complex do you believe killed Kennedy?  (LOL)

Why are you RUNNING from your claim that the Russians did it?

3) Got any ... uhh ... informed, fact-based opinions, like I do?

No. Unlike you and the WC I don't accuse people or groups of murder with no supporting evidence.

4) Read that page in Riebling's "Wedge," yet?  How about this nifty 35-page pdf by Tennent H. Bagley for some background as to ... well, ... as to how the "KGB" really did win the Cold War, as evidenced by KGB-boy Putin's recent installation (with help from his lackey-agent Assange) of "useful idiot" Donald Trump as our president, thereby bringing to fruition decades of highly successful "active measures" and "operational deception" counterintelligence operations (the JFK assassination very probably being one of them) against our now highly gullible and "dumbed-down" and ... gasp ... brainwashed body politic.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08850607.2014.962362


-- Tommy 

Telling people to read something is a copout. Five people can read something and come away with a different conclusion. *You* claimed on this board that the KGB and Russians killed JFK and still have NOT offered one piece of evidence for this claim.

Your opinion is duly noted.

[Thomas Graves]

Caprio wrote:

Telling people to read something is a copout. Five people can read something and come away with a different conclusion. *You* claimed on this board that the KGB and Russians killed JFK and still have NOT offered one piece of evidence for this claim.

Your opinion is duly noted.

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Rob,

1) You're afraid to read one page in a well-sourced book I posted for you because somehow what's written on that page (paraphrasing here, Rob) "is open to five different interpretations by any five different people" (that's life, Rob), and yet you want me to post my (fact-based) opinions here (identical to what Bagley wrote in Spy Wars and Ghosts of the Spy Wars, and what Riebling wrote in Wedge (*with one exception; see below) so that you can .......... READ them?

How ironic.

2) I'm running away from my "opinion" that Khrushchev and / or Castro were responsible for the death of JFK, with or without a programmed-in-Minsk Oswald?

LOL!


-- Tommy   

PS  Whom do you believe killed JFK, Rob?

Got any uncontroverted "evidence" to back up your ....... opinion?

Did you form your opinions about the assassination by reading books, watching videos?

Are there any you think I should read / watch to bring me around to your way of thinking (whatever it is), or did your current "opinions" somehow spring automatically / mystically ... into your ..... mind?

LOL

*On page 126 of the 1994 edition of Wedge, Riebling says Bedell Smith was U.S. ambassador to the Soviet Union when CIA officer Edward Ellis Smith (look him up) became the first CIA officer recruited by the KGB (in Moscow in late 1956), when in fact Charles Bohlen was ambassador at the time.

In case you're interested, Edward Ellis Smith (or someone HE helped KGB to recruit in the U.S.) was that great JFK researcher Peter Dale Scott's "Popov's Mole," the traitor whom Angleton may have sent Oswald to Moscow to try to "dangle out," and whom false defector Yuri Nosenko successfully protected by giving false information to Tennent H. Bagley and George Kisevalter in Geneva in 1962.  You know, Yuri Nosenko, the KGB officer who "defected" to the U.S. six weeks after the assassination and swore up and down that the KGB hadn't  even interviewed Odwald during the 2.5 years the Marine Corps radar operator lived in The Workers' Paradise?

LOL

[Rob Caprio]

Rob,

And yet you want me to post my "opinions" here so that you can ... uhhh ........ READ them?

How ironic.

I'm running away from my "opinion" that Khrushchev and / or Castro killed JFK, with or without a programmed-in-Minsk Oswald?

LOL!

You were stating it as more than an opinion initially as you went into attack mode quickly. Only when it became obvious that you had no evidence to support your claim did you admit that it is your opinion.

People who state their opinions as facts are worth watching.

[Thomas Graves]

My earlier post, with the promised footnote added (my laptop ran out of juice).

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Caprio wrote:

Telling people to read something is a copout. Five people can read something and come away with a different conclusion. *You* claimed on this board that the KGB and Russians killed JFK and still have NOT offered one piece of evidence for this claim.

Your opinion is duly noted.

...
...


Rob,

1) You're afraid to read one page in a well-sourced book I posted for you because somehow what's written on that page (paraphrasing here, Rob) "is open to five different interpretations by any five different people" (that's life, Rob), and yet you want me to post my (fact-based) opinions here (identical to what Bagley wrote in Spy Wars and Ghosts of the Spy Wars, and what Riebling wrote in Wedge (*with one exception so far; see below) so that you can .......... READ them?

How ironic.

2) I'm running away from my "opinion" that Khrushchev and / or Castro were responsible for the death of JFK, with or without a programmed-in-Minsk Oswald?

LOL!


-- Tommy   

PS  Whom do you believe killed JFK, Rob?

Got any uncontroverted "evidence" to back up your ....... opinion?

Did you form your opinions about the assassination by reading books, watching videos?

Are there any you think I should read / watch to bring me around to your way of thinking (whatever it is), or did your current "opinions" somehow spring automatically / mystically ... into your ..... mind?

LOL

* EDIT: On page 126 of the 1994 edition of Wedge, Riebling says Bedell Smith was U.S. ambassador to the Soviet Union when CIA officer Edward Ellis Smith (look him up) became the first CIA officer recruited by the KGB (in Moscow in late 1956), when in fact Charles Bohlen was ambassador at the time.

In case you're interested, Edward Ellis Smith (or someone HE helped KGB to recruit in the U.S.) was that great JFK researcher Peter Dale Scott's "Popov's Mole," the never-uncovered-during-his-lifetime traitor whom Angleton may have sent Oswald to Moscow to try to "dangle out," and whom false defector Yuri Nosenko successfully protected by giving false information to Tennent H. Bagley and George Kisevalter in Geneva in 1962.  You know, Yuri Nosenko, the KGB officer who "defected" to the U.S. six weeks after the assassination and swore up and down that the KGB hadn't  even interviewed Odwald during the 2.5 years the Marine Corps radar operator lived in The Workers' Paradise?

LOL

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-- Tommy   

[Ray Mitcham]

My new book, I Was a Teenage JFK Conspiracy Freak, is now available for purchase.

Fred Litwin recounts how he became a JFK conspiracy freak at eighteen, and then slowly moved to believe that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone assassin. This book demonstrates how the left and the right have used the JFK assassination to drive home myths about power in America. There is also the horrible persecution of a gay man prosecuted for conspiring to kill Kennedy, the ugly story of Oliver Stone?s homophobic film JFK, an expos? of conspiracy nonsense on the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, a look at how the Soviets tried to influence American public opinion into believing the CIA was behind the assassination, and the incredible secret why some JFK assassination documents must remain locked up forever. And a whole lot more.

PRAISE for I Was a Teenage JFK Conspiracy Freak

?As a young man growing up in the heyday of Kennedy assassination theorizing, Fred Litwin believed a conspiracy killed JFK.  And then he grew, and he studied and he researched.  The result is this volume, a thorough, cogent and meticulously argued case for a lone assassin.  A seasoned conspiracy skeptic will learn new things here, and a conspiracy believer open to looking at the other side could do no better than this volume.?
     John McAdams, Associate Professor of Political Science at Marquette University and author of JFK Assassination Logic: How to Think about Claims of Conspiracy

?This is a great book for conspiracy buffs?and, more important, for those who debunk such theories. Fred Litwin does a terrific job in blowing up the myriad JFK assassination scenarios, not least in completely demolishing The Fifth Estate?s decades-long efforts to ?uncover? the truth. The CBC?s lead investigative show is revealed here to be more than slightly unhinged.?
     J. L. Granatstein, Author of Who Killed Canadian History?

?Who killed John F. Kennedy has become the conspiracy theory of conspiracy theories. Despite the many recent books debunking all of them, scores of people still believe Lee Harvey Oswald was not involved or had accomplices, and was directed by either Moscow, the CIA, the FBI, Lyndon Johnson, Fidel Castro,  or whomever one chooses to accuse.

In Fred Litwin?s marvelous book, he charts how he went from becoming one of the earlier skeptics to someone dedicated to dissecting their arguments and carefully tearing them apart. The penultimate chapter is the one in which Litwin takes a scalpel to the vehicle that has unfortunately convinced many Americans there was a real conspiracy. That source is the famous Oliver Stone movie, JFK, in which Litwin shows the director created a nonexistent homosexual cabal planning to assassinate Kennedy, which was also in cahoots with the CIA. The agency, according to Stone, wanted Kennedy dead because he was about to pull U.S. troops out of Vietnam! Exposing Stone?s lies after lies, the director won?t know what hit him if he dares to read Litwin?s book.

Litwin continues to update the many books and new theories that keep coming to prove conspiracy, up to the present. What he has accomplished is to put the final nail in the coffin of all the conspiracy theorists, who develop new ones as old theories are proven wrong. He has given us a beautifully written and compelling book, one in which Litwin tells the bold, unvarnished truth. How anyone reading this can still conclude that JFK was killed by various conspirators, rather than the lone gunman Lee Harvey Oswald, is beyond my comprehension. Everyone still concerned with JFK?s death and thinks it?s a mystery, must read Fred Litwin?s I Was a Teenage JFK Conspiracy Freak. They will be glad they did.?
     Ronald Radosh, Professor Emeritus of History at CUNY, opinion columnist for The Daily Beast and co-author of A Safe Haven: Harry S. Truman and the Founding of Israel.

?Mr. Litwin?s book is the best in many, many years in dealing with the truth about this horrendous piece of history?and exposing the fakirs, cons and opportunists who often call themselves ?historians.? A fine presentation!?
     Hugh Aynesworth, Author of November 22, 1963: Witness to History and JFK: Breaking the News

A critique of Litwin's "book" by James D.

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/jim-garrison-vs-fred-litwin-the-beat-goes-on-part-2

[Thomas Graves]

A critique of Litwin's "book" by James D.

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/jim-garrison-vs-fred-litwin-the-beat-goes-on-part-2

Ray,

James DiEugenio?

You mean the high school history teacher who as recently as March 21st of this year stated on the EF that Alger Hiss was not a spy for the Kremlin?

The guy who idolizes intellectually-dishonest Jefferson Morley (see my 1-star review of Morley's "The Ghost" on Amazon, under the name dumptrumputin)?

The guy who refused to applaud at the conclusion of John Newman's "Spy Wars" presentation in San Francisco in March because Newman, having read Tennent H. Bagley's excellent book by the same name, is now convinced that Yuri Nosenko was a false defector, and Anatoliy Golitsyn a true one?

The guy who was sad that the Communist candidate lost the election to Yeltsin?

The guy whom Bill Kelley told me over the phone was a "cracker"?

The guy who is idolized on RT?

The guy who bemoans the demise of Alex Jones?

That James DiEugenio?

LOL

-- Tommy