Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #70 on: September 04, 2018, 08:29:26 PM »
We know Williams was on the 6th floor after 12 noon eating his chicken lunch. We know that, prior to it being moved, there was a lunch sack and chicken piece on a box in the so called SN.
Who do you think left them there?
 
The whole chicken dinner story just might have been a fluke.
 
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Alyea watched an officer touch a paper sack with his foot, causing two chicken bones and an empty Dr Pepper bottle to roll out. Could it have been the real assassin's lunch?
 Alyea has long insisted that, contrary to officials reports, the chicken bones were found on the fifth floor, not the sixth.
Either way, the sack obviously had been there for days, with the bones completely dried out, Alyea said.
"They had absolutely nothing to do with anything," he said. "I took a close up, just in case they turned out to be important, but they weren't."
 More significant to him, detectives moved boxes around while searching the building, even disturbing the sniper's nest itself, Alyea said.
https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/local/jfk-assassination-cameraman-followed-police-as-they-searched-for-sniper/article_9679af95-d45f-502b-b094-2a09bc29c16f.html?mode=jqm
 

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #71 on: September 05, 2018, 12:24:40 AM »
You know Bill, everyone and I mean everyone in Dealey Plaza was a potential suspect except the guy who actually owned the murder weapon,

Assumes facts not in evidence.

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which incidentally was recovered with Oswald's prints

Assumes facts not in evidence.

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and matching shirt fibers.

But not matched to any specific shirt to the exclusion of all others.

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #72 on: September 05, 2018, 12:37:45 AM »
I don't 'trust' any individual, uncorroborated eye witness account to be totally accurate. The account given by Brennan of a gunman on ye sixth floor was one of a number of such accounts where the main details agreed.

But not the identity of the shooter.  And there were actually only 2 people who claimed to see a man with a rifle in the 6th floor SE window (Brennan and Euins) and they did not agree on what he looked like.

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #73 on: September 05, 2018, 01:10:19 AM »
No question about that.

However, at its fundamental core, he saw TWO males on the 6th floor - a white armed male in the SW corner (at 12.15 pm) and an unarmed African-American male in the SE corner (at 12.15 pm but gone by 12.25 pm).

He reported this (seeing two people) to a Detective, 10 minutes post assassination.

He told the FBI this but they were interested in ID ing the white male with the rifle.

Seems to me no one cooborated his sightings.

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #74 on: September 05, 2018, 01:42:58 AM »
Do you believe that it was necessary for Arnold to tell Barbara, or anyone else in Dealey plaza, that he saw an unarmed African-American male who was also waiting to see the oncoming Presidential parade?

He also saw many other spectators looking out the windows from the TSBD. There was nothing "special" or "different" about seeing the African-American male.

However he thought the white male  gunman was part of the security detail. Seeing a person with a high powered rifle overlooking the parade route would definitely draw attention enough to comment on, but seeing an unarmed spectator would not have.

If Arnold was fabricating his recollections, it would have been on seeing an armed gunman, not on seeing an unarmed African-American male looking out of a window.

He was the only person who briefly saw an armed white gunman in the SW corner on the 6th floor.

Barbara did not see him.

Hence there was no visual corroboration for Arnold's observation so why did the WC partially believe his testimony? They should have rejected his testimony completely.

Believing?

Pardon the interruption, but are you sure the WC was tasked with trying the case?

Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #75 on: September 05, 2018, 05:11:55 AM »
The unfinished chicken lunch was initially found in the SN. Numerous police first onto the scene corroborate this.

It was moved westward shortly after its discovery and the chicken placed inside the bag.

This places Williams in the SN window......exactly where Rowland testified.

Williams, Jarman and Norman all provided statements that claimed or implied that Williams ascended to the 5th floor together. This did not happen and they all recanted by the time of their testimony before the WC. The question is why did they feel the need to do so.

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #76 on: September 05, 2018, 06:16:47 AM »
Do you believe that it was necessary for Arnold to tell Barbara, or anyone else in Dealey plaza, that he saw an unarmed African-American male who was also waiting to see the oncoming Presidential parade?

He also saw many other spectators looking out the windows from the TSBD. There was nothing "special" or "different" about seeing the African-American male.

However he thought the white male  gunman was part of the security detail. Seeing a person with a high powered rifle overlooking the parade route would definitely draw attention enough to comment on, but seeing an unarmed spectator would not have.

If Arnold was fabricating his recollections, it would have been on seeing an armed gunman, not on seeing an unarmed African-American male looking out of a window.

He was the only person who briefly saw an armed white gunman in the SW corner on the 6th floor.

Barbara did not see him.

Hence there was no visual corroboration for Arnold's observation so why did the WC partially believe his testimony? They should have rejected his testimony completely.

Rowland initially testified to 'parading man' being 12-15 feet back of the window. Then later changed that to 3-5 feet when, he said, he realized that no one would be able to see the man.

I remain suspicious. After all, the missus informed us of Arnie's fondness for exaggeration.
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