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Offline Lee Wotton

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Re: My theory documented for the last time. May the Files be with me.
« Reply #42 on: January 19, 2018, 03:28:13 PM »

Hey Lee.  Thanks for reading my thread and for commenting.
As I said to Bill, I really don't believe the SS had a hand in anything.
As for the motive behind the assassination is not my concern now.
What I'm currently interested in is what took place on the ground, so to speak. 
Was there an arrest at Redbird and did the SS aid the police in making that arrest
and most importantly of all ... was it covered up?

Hi Dan, I remember that Ferrie and a couple of associates were at an ice skating rink somewhere and Ferrie was constantly on the pay phone on 11/22.  It is believed he was tracking progress of the assassins escape from Redbird to an airport near where Ferrie was so that he could fly them out of the country.  However, the plan didn't go how it was supposed to so Ferrie didn't have anything to do that day.  This may indicate that the assassins did indeed get arrested at or on the way to Redbird.  Maybe the FBI knew the plane and tipped off the DPD?  Hoover had to cover things up due to the FBI's knowledge of LHO but he still hated the CIA and tried every way he could to push the suspicion towards the CIA.

Tosh Plumley claimed that he flew a CIA plane to Dallas on the morning of 11/22 but due to weather had to land somewhere near.  I can't recall if this was Redbird or not but someone on here will recall it.  Plumley claims he was flying in members of an abort team that included Johnny Roselli!!

I'm sure their arrest was covered up just like the tramps, GHWB and Loren Hall that day.  Maybe Jim Braden too.

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« Reply #43 on: January 19, 2018, 03:44:54 PM »
Hey, Steve.  This SS Warner wouldn't be the same Special Agent Warner
who compiled the Radio Traffic Transcripts I was using ... would it?

Dan,

Yep. One and the same. Like I said, each one of these guys had their own part to play.
Howard and Kunkel babysitting Marina at the Six Flags.
Patterson working with Ellworth on the Miller and Whitter National Guard Armory theft.
Roger Warner doing his thing.
Six or seven of them went with Forrest Sorrels when he took Howard Brennan in to identify Oswald in the lineup. What a bummer it must have been when he brought Brennan out and had to tell them that Brennan had "failed to identify".

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Re: My theory documented for the last time. May the Files be with me.
« Reply #44 on: January 19, 2018, 04:08:47 PM »

I was coming from an assumption that SS also had an agent in El Paso and I assume also in Austin, Houston, and San Antonio
and if there were just six SS agents, on average, based in each state, there would be almost nobody available to staff the presidential
protection detail.


Tom,

Without knowing this for a fact, I'm going on the assumption that there were probably six or seven agents in each field office.

You wrote, "there would be almost nobody available to staff the presidential
protection detail."

You got that right. I spent some time trying to figure out who the Secret Service Agent was, who was present on the sixth floor when pictures of the rifle were being taken at 1:22 PM, and who the Secret Service Agent was, who was present during Oswald's first interrogation at 2:20 PM.

I was never able to determine that to my satisfaction. When they wrote up their after-action Report, Sims and Boyd said they didn't know who he was. I was satisfied that it was not Forrest Sorrels.

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Re: My theory documented for the last time. May the Files be with me.
« Reply #45 on: January 19, 2018, 04:18:39 PM »
Tom,

Without knowing this for a fact, I'm going on the assumption that there were probably six or seven agents in each field office.


Tom and Dan,

I forgot to mention that you can read the after-action Reports of some of the Dallas SS Agents in the WC Hearings and Exhibits:
(18H) beginning on page 786.  That's CE 1024
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh18/html/WH_Vol18_0400b.htm

Steve Thomas

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Re: My theory documented for the last time. May the Files be with me.
« Reply #46 on: January 19, 2018, 04:32:58 PM »
Dan,

Yep. One and the same. Like I said, each one of these guys had their own part to play.
Howard and Kunkel babysitting Marina at the Six Flags.
Patterson working with Ellworth on the Miller and Whitter National Guard Armory theft.
Roger Warner doing his thing.
Six or seven of them went with Forrest Sorrels when he took Howard Brennan in to identify Oswald in the lineup. What a bummer it must have been when he brought Brennan out and had to tell them that Brennan had "failed to identify".

Steve Thomas

Hey, Steve.  I wish the high five icon was still in place because that's what I would be
displaying to you.  So Warner who was in the thick of the action was now in charge
of presenting the official version of what took place?  How - lucky - that was for the American people.

Btw ... what you seem - or are - suggesting as to what took place is far more sinister
than I could ever have imagined.  I would like to hope that wasn't true.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2018, 05:07:08 PM by Dan DAlimonte »

Offline Tom Scully

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Re: My theory documented for the last time. May the Files be with me.
« Reply #47 on: January 19, 2018, 04:49:37 PM »
Hey, Steve.  I wish the high five icon was still in place because that's what I would be
displaying to you.  So Warner who was in the thick of the action was now in charge
of presenting the official version of what took place?  How - lucky- that was for the American people.

Steve, I found what Sylvia Meagher had to say on that area of interest after you posted some of the SS
names in the Dallas office. Reading on, below this image and into the next page, I was surprised at how
unrestrained she was about speculation she was willing to share publicly. But that was in a different time.
We have access to more, at our fingertips, hence my hesitancy to dwell on or emphasize what has remained illusive.
I have learned you have to go around the unresolveable. No one proved Priscilla was a CIA asset. It was possible
to prove her first cousin was and he assigned his friend, Clark Clifford's aunt's husband, to chauffeur and mind Priscilla
and Marina in Sedona. Sylvia and many others are still swinging for the fences and striking out instead of at least getting on base.

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Offline Steve Thomas

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Re: My theory documented for the last time. May the Files be with me.
« Reply #48 on: January 19, 2018, 06:08:20 PM »
Steve, I found what Sylvia Meagher had to say on that area of interest after you posted some of the SS
names in the Dallas office. Reading on, below this image and into the next page, I was surprised at how
unrestrained she was about speculation she was willing to share publicly. But that was in a different time.

Tom,

I have the utmost respect for Sylvia Meagher, but I'd have to disagree with her here.

In a February 15, 1999 article entitled ?Conspiracy Beliefs (and Denials) In High Places?, author Vince Palamara quotes an article by reporter Earl Golz in the August 27, 1978 issue of the Dallas Morning News. In his article, Golz wrote that one Dallas Secret Service Agent named Elmer Moore did not submit a report, that he was in San Francisco and did not return to Dallas to join the investigation until a week later. Vince Palamara then went on to say that two other agents did not submit a written report: James H. ?Mike? Howard and Charles Kunkel. Palamara wrote, ?For his part, Howard claimed in a lecture in February 1999 that he was at the Hotel Texas (in Fort Worth) cleaning up when the shooting occurred and that Kunkel was in Washington, D.C on an unspecified investigation at the time. Howard and Kunkel's whereabouts remain unverified.?68.

68. Palamara, Vince. ?Conspiracy Beliefs (and Denials) In High Places.? 2/15/99, As cited in the Kennedy Assassination Homepage, 1995-2002 by John McAdams, http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/beliefs.htm


If Charles Kunkel was indeed on an ?unspecified assignment in Washington, D.C.?, there is the question of when he returned to Dallas. We know from the testimony of Mr. James Herbert Martin, who has acted as the business manager of Mrs. Marina Oswald and at the time was Resident Manager of the Six Flags Inn, that James Howard and Charles Kunkel were the Secret Service Agents who arranged for the Oswald family to stay at the motel.?73. Was Charles E. Kunkel the ?Secret Service man? who needed a ride from Love Field to downtown Dallas at 12:38PM as recorded in the transcripts of the Dallas Police radio log? Was he also on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository when the rifle was found at 1:22PM? Was he present at Oswald's interrogation at 2:20PM?

73. Testimony of James Herbert Martin. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume I, p. 472, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-m..._Vol1_0242b.htm

Forrest Sorrels never went up to the sixth floor of the TSBD, and left with Zapruder to get his film developed, so he wasn't at police headquarters at 2:20. He told the WC that he got to police headquarters at 2:00 PM, but Hosty told the WC that it Sorrels didn't get there until around 6:00 PM.

Steve Thomas