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Offline Dan DAlimonte

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Re: My theory documented for the last time. May the Files be with me.
« Reply #35 on: January 18, 2018, 09:16:24 PM »
Okay, before I play taps over my theory I would like some type of clarification
which maybe, Steve or Tom or Bill or anyone can provide.

A Love Field car is associated with well, Love Field and anything
connected with it.  We know by the radio relays that a Love Field car
had something to do with SS agents, 30's station wagon and the Sheraton.

According to Bill Brown, Rybka and Lawton ate lunch in a restaurant
at Love Field and they never left Love Field.  If they did and went to
the Sheraton the SS command center then a Love Field car would have brought
them there and back.  In that case, there would have been no need for a station wagon at all.
Unless 30's station wagon was at Love Field to begin with, and Rybka and Lawton,
wanted to go for a drive with the Love Field car leading the way..  This makes no sense.

If the SS agents were those who were waiting at the Trade Mart and they were brought
by 30's station wagon (assuming it was a DPD car) then the cop who drove them there, would
have driven them or, some of them, to the Sheraton.  There would be no need for a Love Field car. 
If the 30's station wagon was an SS vehicle and they got there without a Love Field car then
they could have gone back without a Love Field car.

If the SS agents were from another city or district and they didn't know their way to
the Sheraton, the command center, then why a Love Field car to lead them there?

I have a headache.  Any answers would be appreciated.
« Last Edit: January 18, 2018, 09:49:45 PM by Dan DAlimonte »

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« Reply #36 on: January 19, 2018, 03:19:44 AM »
Dan, I shared a page image of and link to CE 1974.
If you saw the description in it of the name of the DPD
Sgt. and the 30?s station wagon before you settled on your
theory, how might have that description influenced the
development of your theory? I think I read your association
with that station wagon included in a transcript of DPD radio
calls with a claim of Roger Craig.

Now you seem to be asking a reverse engineering question.
There is little to trigger suspicion related to a DPD officer assigned
to Love Field SS detail switchng from unit 39 to the station wagon,
30?s.
The SS of 1963 was a national agency of about 300 also tasked
with counterfeiting investigations. IOW, it protected the president
and the currency. The presidential limo and its predecessor named
Queen Mary were transported ahead of AF-1 by military air
transport. Sorrels was resident SS agent in Dallas, a one man
office.

Unless you are a Caprio or Lee Worrels, self exempted from
considering or supplying relevant or supporting evidence,
please weigh the details in CE 1974 related to the station wagon
linked to the DPD Sgt and share how you might impeach what
the exhibit says. Would the DPD wagon not also have been useful
in transporting SS comms equipment from Love Field
to the Sheraton and back? SS was a small agency with
no local presence or resources aside from Sorrels.

Or, not.... and dwell in a Caprio alternate
universe.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2018, 03:39:55 AM by Tom Scully »

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« Reply #37 on: January 19, 2018, 10:37:57 AM »

Would the DPD wagon not also have been useful
in transporting SS comms equipment from Love Field
to the Sheraton and back? SS was a small agency with
no local presence or resources aside from Sorrels.
Tom,

We know that Unit 30 was Sergeant R.C. Childers.  Purdue Lawrence's assignments only seem to extend as far as the Trade Mart, so we are not sure exactly what Childers' assignments were at Love Field. We can be reasonably sure that they would have involved with providing security to Air Force I and II, but he could very well have been doing other things.

Just a small point, the Dallas SS Office had about six agents in it.
Roger Warner was one. He's the  Dallas agent who took Rybka and Lawton to lunch at the airport. See his Report:
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/html/WC_Vol25_0408b.htm

Several of the other Dallas SS Agents were:
James H. ?Mike? Howard  and Charles Kunkel were a couple of others.
William H. Patterson
John Howlett

They would each have their own part to play in the JFK saga.

Steve Thomas


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« Reply #38 on: January 19, 2018, 12:56:44 PM »
......
.....Go further down the page.

And (Ask) 139 to meet me at the entrance to Love Field   I have additional cars to route out there.

You will have to take them on because he is coming downtown with some Secret Service men.

Here again ... Notice the Love Field Car cannot assist what presumably is going to be the
motorcade group to head back to Love Field after they leave Parkland Hospital.  And, why is that?
Because he's going downtown with some Secret Service men.  And, if suspects in a station wagon
were arrested at Redbird then someone outside of the suspects would be driving the station wagon.

Btw ... the station wagon is the same one noticed by Craig and others
and to me,.anyway ....  all suspects involved in JFK's murder were captured that day.

Dan, I shared a page image of and link to CE 1974.
If you saw the description in it of the name of the DPD
Sgt. and the 30?s station wagon before you settled on your
theory, how might have that description influenced the
development of your theory? I think I read your association
with that station wagon included in a transcript of DPD radio
calls with a claim of Roger Craig.

Now you seem to be asking a reverse engineering question.
There is little to trigger suspicion related to a DPD officer assigned
to Love Field SS detail switchng from unit 39 to the station wagon,
30?s.
The SS of 1963 was a national agency of about 300 also tasked
with counterfeiting investigations. IOW, it protected the president
and the currency. The presidential limo and its predecessor named
Queen Mary were transported ahead of AF-1 by military air
transport. Sorrels was resident SS agent in Dallas, a one man
office.

Unless you are a Caprio or Lee Worrels, self exempted from
considering or supplying relevant or supporting evidence,
please weigh the details in CE 1974 related to the station wagon
linked to the DPD Sgt and share how you might impeach what
the exhibit says. Would the DPD wagon not also have been useful
in transporting SS comms equipment from Love Field
to the Sheraton and back? SS was a small agency with
no local presence or resources aside from Sorrels.

Or, not.... and dwell in a Caprio alternate
universe.

Tom,

We know that Unit 30 was Sergeant R.C. Childers.  Purdue Lawrence's assignments only seem to extend as far as the Trade Mart, so we are not sure exactly what Childers' assignments were at Love Field. We can be reasonably sure that they would have involved with providing security to Air Force I and II, but he could very well have been doing other things.

Just a small point, the Dallas SS Office had about six agents in it.
Roger Warner was one. He's the  Dallas agent who took Rybka and Lawton to lunch at the airport. See his Report:
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/html/WC_Vol25_0408b.htm

Several of the other Dallas SS Agents were:
James H. ?Mike? Howard  and Charles Kunkel were a couple of others.
William H. Patterson
John Howlett

They would each have their own part to play in the JFK saga.

Steve Thomas

Steve, I appreciate your details correcting the errors I made in my last post.

I had studied the career assignments of Sorrels and of John Rice and it has stuck in my mind that the pre-assassination
staff of the SS was small and spread pretty thin. The article below is dated 4 April, 1963. The details you posted helped
remind me that I had read about Robert Steuart and Elmer Moore working out of the Dallas office. There was also a Fort
Worth based SS agent, Mike Howard.

I was coming from an assumption that SS also had an agent in El Paso and I assume also in Austin, Houston, and San Antonio
and if there were just six SS agents, on average, based in each state, there would be almost nobody available to staff the presidential
protection detail.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Secret_Service
« Last Edit: January 19, 2018, 01:11:07 PM by Tom Scully »

Offline Dan DAlimonte

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Re: My theory documented for the last time. May the Files be with me.
« Reply #39 on: January 19, 2018, 01:43:35 PM »
Tom,

We know that Unit 30 was Sergeant R.C. Childers.  Purdue Lawrence's assignments only seem to extend as far as the Trade Mart, so we are not sure exactly what Childers' assignments were at Love Field. We can be reasonably sure that they would have involved with providing security to Air Force I and II, but he could very well have been doing other things.

Just a small point, the Dallas SS Office had about six agents in it.
Roger Warner was one. He's the  Dallas agent who took Rybka and Lawton to lunch at the airport. See his Report:
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/html/WC_Vol25_0408b.htm

Several of the other Dallas SS Agents were:
James H. ?Mike? Howard  and Charles Kunkel were a couple of others.
William H. Patterson
John Howlett

They would each have their own part to play in the JFK saga.

Steve Thomas

Hey, Steve.  This SS Warner wouldn't be the same Special Agent Warner
who compiled the Radio Traffic Transcripts I was using ... would it?
Please see links.

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/32/3298-047.gif
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/32/3298-082.gif

Does the saga continue?
« Last Edit: January 19, 2018, 01:58:00 PM by Dan DAlimonte »

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« Reply #40 on: January 19, 2018, 02:12:53 PM »
Okay, before I play taps over my theory I would like some type of clarification
which maybe, Steve or Tom or Bill or anyone can provide.

A Love Field car is associated with well, Love Field and anything
connected with it.  We know by the radio relays that a Love Field car
had something to do with SS agents, 30's station wagon and the Sheraton.

According to Bill Brown, Rybka and Lawton ate lunch in a restaurant
at Love Field and they never left Love Field.  If they did and went to
the Sheraton the SS command center then a Love Field car would have brought
them there and back.  In that case, there would have been no need for a station wagon at all.
Unless 30's station wagon was at Love Field to begin with, and Rybka and Lawton,
wanted to go for a drive with the Love Field car leading the way..  This makes no sense.

If the SS agents were those who were waiting at the Trade Mart and they were brought
by 30's station wagon (assuming it was a DPD car) then the cop who drove them there, would
have driven them or, some of them, to the Sheraton.  There would be no need for a Love Field car. 
If the 30's station wagon was an SS vehicle and they got there without a Love Field car then
they could have gone back without a Love Field car.

If the SS agents were from another city or district and they didn't know their way to
the Sheraton, the command center, then why a Love Field car to lead them there?

I have a headache.  Any answers would be appreciated.

Hi Dan, thanks for a great original post and I hope people stick with it to piece things together.  My views are:

- The SS were part of the Federal Department of the Treasury and significantly implicated in the plot to kill JFK.  JFK had started to take away the creation of bank notes from the private Rothschild business and returned the right to the US Treasury.  Indeed some US bank notes had been issued and this spelled the imminent end of the Rothschild Federal Reserve Bank under Kennedy.  JFK's executive order was never repealed and so that right still exists today!!

- Whether the SS rosters were changed last minute or not is irrelevant.  What is certain is that the SS were part of the bigger plot to leave the president woefully lacking in protection both in the motorcade, on the ground in DP and in surrounding buildings.  They approved a route that was against their own regulations.  This was all planned well in advance.

- Personally, I have little doubt about Roger Craig's testimony despite what people say.  He mentions a station waggon and LHO and a driver that matches the description of Mac Wallace who was dark skinned.  The waggon was headed in the direction of Redbird and LHO volunteered that the waggon belonged to Ruth Paine.

- I believe there was a plan to fly assassins from Redbird to another airport where Ferrie would take them to MC or Canada.  Tosh Plumley may have been the other pilot at Redbird.

- The military senior figure may well have been Lansdale in Dallas but of course he was senior CIA using the cover of the military.  He would have cleared their release later at the Sheriffs office
« Last Edit: January 19, 2018, 02:15:37 PM by Lee Wotton »

Offline Dan DAlimonte

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« Reply #41 on: January 19, 2018, 02:35:34 PM »


Hey Lee.  Thanks for reading my thread and for commenting.
As I said to Bill, I really don't believe the SS had a hand in anything.
As for the motive behind the assassination is not my concern now.
What I'm currently interested in is what took place on the ground, so to speak. 
Was there an arrest at Redbird and did the SS aid the police in making that arrest
and most importantly of all ... was it covered up?