Was the Stemmons Freeway sign removed?

[Sean Kneringer]

The Stemmons sign was in place until the Summer of '64, and no, that's not Clint Hill's double.

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[Royell Storing]

Royell, what do you posit happened then in that 10 minute span? I know someone was quering if it was Hill that was on the back of the limo as it arrived at Parkland! I mean you have video of the whole sequence except for under bridge and then immediately after bridge at a knot of folks at the Stemmons turnoff in a haunting clip that shows boys waving and such in this knot, not knowing anything but observing the limo speeding by without the President seen in it and everyone in a state of frenzy in the cars. If anyone can post that clip after the tunnel, appreciated.

         There is nothing close to "video of the whole sequence". We have a scant few photos after the JFK Limo boarded the Stemmons Fwy On-Ramp & a Snippet of film footage showing the Stemmons Fwy itself.  That is all. It is undisputed that the Officer Chaney/Lead Car Event did happen. For Chaney to pull up alongside the passenger side of the Lead Car and talk with the driver/Chief Curry as to the condition of JFK, both the Lead Car and Chaney had to of been at a Dead Stop. This means the JFK Limo was likewise at a Dead Stop. It is unrealistic to think that while the JFK Limo was stopped, that highly trained SS Agents Hill and Kellerman just sat there twiddling their thumbs while waiting for the Limo to move forward again. The SS has protocols up the ying-yang for Every possible scenario/eventuality.

[Doug Easterly]

I read where Curry said they stopped, Im sure for a very brief period, to ascertain the seriousness of JFK condition. Dont know why the Lead Car just didnt continue escorting limo direct to Parkland but maybe Curry wanted to be able to radio JFK condition to Parkland? Although I would think there was direct radio in limo to Parkland?

[Mitch Todd]

[...] For Chaney to pull up alongside the passenger side of the Lead Car and talk with the driver/Chief Curry as to the condition of JFK, both the Lead Car and Chaney had to of been at a Dead Stop.

How did you come to this conclusion?

This means the JFK Limo was likewise at a Dead Stop.

And how did you come to this conclusion? Neither assertion makes sense.

[Steve Howsley]

   If you agree that there probably was a JFK Limo stoppage ...

then you should make an appointment with an optometrist or get off the hallucinogens.

[Royell Storing]

How did you come to this conclusion?
And how did you come to this conclusion? Neither assertion makes sense.

          You must be unfamiliar with the WC Testimony involving the Lead Car and Chaney. It cites Chaney pulling up on the passenger side of the Limo.
          How fast/MPH do you believe the Lead Car & the JFK Limo were traveling as they were photographed approaching the Stemmons FWY On-Ramp?  Do you believe that Officer Chaney & Chief Curry could carry on a conversation regarding the physical condition of JFK while both the Lead Car and Chaney's Loud Motorcycle were speeding/racing to Parkland Hospital?

[Mitch Todd]

          You must be unfamiliar with the WC Testimony involving the Lead Car and Chaney. It cites Chaney pulling up on the passenger side of the Limo.
          How fast/MPH do you believe the Lead Car & the JFK Limo were traveling as they were photographed approaching the Stemmons FWY On-Ramp?  Do you believe that Officer Chaney & Chief Curry could carry on a conversation regarding the physical condition of JFK while both the Lead Car and Chaney's Loud Motorcycle were speeding/racing to Parkland Hospital?

I'm familiar with the goings on ahead of the limo. I'm just not familiar with your concepts of physical dynamics. You're assuming that the only option is between "stopped" and "speeding/racing."  That's simply a false dilemma. It could be moving at any speed in between the two. BTW, if you pay attention to the Zapruder film, you'll see the limousine rapidly catching up to the lead car. In photos taken of  the motorcade on the West side of the triple overpass, the limo has already passed the lead car, and the Queen Mary is about  drive by. The lead car doesn't seem to be going particularly fast at that point.