What?s the best evidence of a second shooter?

[Bill Charleston]

CTs: what do you consider to be the best evidence of another shooter in Dealey Plaza, and why do you feel it is proof of this?

DOZENS of witnesses said the last sounds they heard during the shooting were BANG-BANG.

FIRST SHOT then a pause then BAM-BAM.

DOZENS of credible witnesses say BANG-BANG for the last two shots is what they heard.

If the last TWO shots were BAM-BAM as so many witnesses say they were, then what can we see in the Zapruder film that supports BAM seconds of pause then BAM-BAM (and Patricia Ann Donaldson says one of the BAM-BAM shots hit JFK)

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To add more fuel to the information that makes SOLVING the JFK assassination "mystery" possible, listen to Gov. Connally tell you during his Warren Comm testimony that the force of the blow to his back bent him over.  As can be seen in the Zapruder film, John Connally is NOT bent over at any time in the Zapruder film until a splt second AFTER JFK was shot in the head!

John Connally says he turned to look toward what he thought was a rifle shot (a slight delay after the sign)
When he was turning back, he was bent over by the force of the blow to his back.

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The Connallys always talked about hearing the shot that hit JFK in the head AFTER John was shot in the back, but the Zapruder film shows that is NOT true.  In fact, the Zapruder film shows that neither Nellie nor John was looking at JFK was he was shot in the head so they did NOT know when he was shot.

SUMMARY:

1.  Dozens of witnesses say the last two sounds were BANG-BANG

2.  In the Zapruder film, we can see Gov Connally bent over very rapidly a split second AFTER JFK was shot in the head

3.  Gov. Connally said in many interviews that the blow to his back was enough force to bend him over.  Connally is not BENT over at any time in the Zapruder film until a split second after JFK is shot in the head.

4,  No blood can be seen on Connally's shirt or right sleeve even seconds after the US gov't says he was shot in the back.  WHY is there NO blood anywhere on the front of Connally's white shirt?  The answer is easy, Connally was NOT shot in the back until a split second AFTER JFK was shot in the head.

5  When you look at frame 267, as mentioned NO BLOOD can be seen on Connally's white shirt.  Look at any Zapruder frame before JFK is shot in the head and NO blood will be found on Connally's shirt.  HOW THAT POSSIBLE?  Nellie said John had a hole in his chest about the size of a baseball.  The main point for #5 is, HOW IN THE WORLD did John Connally turn around like he is seen in #267 and he (allegedly) has a serious chest exit wound?






6  It is so easy to fool Americans.  They will believe ALMOST anything the US gubermint tells them to believe.  If you want to PROVE to yourself what happened, and what I have presented so far does NOT prove the BANG-BANG premise, then you have to start thinking without the US gubermint and fools like Bugliosi telling you what to think!  IF this was easy, Americans would have known the truth decades ago!

[Dillon Rankine]

JFK is thrown forward in less than a 1/2 second from a shot to the back. An impossibility if the Carcano is

the only weapon used in the assassination

There have been plenty of scientific analyses of the Zfilm and none of them pointed to anything suspect in those frames (which I also fail to see). Kennedy?s already reacting to the shot at this time, and if somehow he was shot again the reaction would be marked by instantaneous postural changes (neural ?pain matrix? circuits might have even been made more excitable due to the extent wounding). 

[Steve Taylor]

I don't know how to make this photo appear larger on this site.  However when you see it full size, it's very clear that this is a rifle and not an arm as some have conjectured.  On the 2d floor of the DalTex, the suspect has a white baseball cap and is wearing glasses.

[Dillon Rankine]

I don't know how to make this photo appear larger on this site.  However when you see it full size, it's very clear that this is a rifle and not an arm as some have conjectured.  On the 2d floor of the DalTex, the suspect has a white baseball cap and is wearing glasses.

I?ve seen this image enhanced before and it?s quite clear that it?s arm, or something with similar proportions and is much too large to be rifle. (Compare the size with the man on the fire escape).

[Dillon Rankine]

1.  Dozens of witnesses say the last two sounds were BANG-BANG

True, but this wasn?t the only shot pattern. There seemed to be a location effect on the impression of shot sequence, though I think it was quite weak. Those versed in firearms (Willis, Yarborough, etc) all reported 3 well spaced shots.

Psychophysical and neurocomputational processes better explain the witness impressions in this realm. 

2.  In the Zapruder film, we can see Gov Connally bent over very rapidly a split second AFTER JFK was shot in the head

All scientific analyses of the film show clear evidence of JBC being struck at Z224.

3.  Gov. Connally said in many interviews that the blow to his back was enough force to bend him over.  Connally is not BENT over at any time in the Zapruder film until a split second after JFK is shot in the head.

Connally exhibits rapid postural changes beginning Z224 which begin with him being driven downwards and turning. He could have perceived himself to have been bent over, either that or this is what he meant by this choice of words (normal humans rarely use exact definitions of the phrases they employ, but rather attach whichever linguistics they feel best describes their phenomenology), or his memory was faulty due it being a trumatic event (amygdala, the brains ?fear centre? is overactive in these times and disrupts activity in the hippocampus, where memories are made, and stress hormones actually kill neurons there).

4,  No blood can be seen on Connally's shirt or right sleeve even seconds after the US gov't says he was shot in the back.  WHY is there NO blood anywhere on the front of Connally's white shirt?  The answer is easy, Connally was NOT shot in the back until a split second AFTER JFK was shot in the head.

It?s a grainy, poor quality film. You can barely recognise faces, how?d you expect to see blood on mostly black clothing? We don?t see any blood on JFK at Z225 or Jackie after Z313 yet we know they weee drenched.   

5  When you look at frame 267, as mentioned NO BLOOD can be seen on Connally's white shirt.  Look at any Zapruder frame before JFK is shot in the head and NO blood will be found on Connally's shirt.  HOW THAT POSSIBLE?  Nellie said John had a hole in his chest about the size of a baseball.  The main point for #5 is, HOW IN THE WORLD did John Connally turn around like he is seen in #267 and he (allegedly) has a serious chest exit wound?

The fact there?s no blood visible to you on this horrible looking film isn?t evidence of anything. Also we?ve had people shot in the spine and walk to hospital. Being shot in the back and slowly turning around is not an impressive feat.

[Bill Charleston]

I don't know how to make this photo appear larger on this site.  However when you see it full size, it's very clear that this is a rifle and not an arm as some have conjectured.  On the 2d floor of the DalTex, the suspect has a white baseball cap and is wearing glasses.

I made it larger but I don't see a rifle, white baseball cap and glasses.

[Bill Charleston]

JFK is thrown forward in less than a 1/2 second from a shot to the back. An impossibility if the Carcano is

the only weapon used in the assassination





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The HSCA gave considerable weight to the conclusion another gunman fired from the grassy knoll.

House Select Committee on Assassinations Final Report
Current Section: (d) Witness testimony on the shots

"An analysis by the committee of the statements of witnesses in Dealy Plaza on November 22, 1963, moreover, showed that about 44 percent were not able to form an opinion about the origin of the shots, attesting to the ambiguity showed in the August 1978 experiment. Seventy percent of the witnesses in 1963 who had an opinion as to the origin said it was either the book depository or the grassy knoll. Those witnesses who thought the shots originated from the grassy knoll represented 30 percent of those who chose between the knoll and book depository and 21 percent of those who made a decision as to origin. Since most of the shots fired on November 22, 1963 (three out of four, the committee determined) came from the book depository, the fact that so many witnesses thought they heard shots from
the knoll lent additional weight to a conclusion that a shot came from there."

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When you look at JFK BEFORE he is hidden behind the Stemmon's sign, he has his right hand raised almost to the top of his head.  When he emerges from behind the sign he has quickly lowered his right hand towards his throat and quickly raised his left hand up from his lap towards his throat.



During that same interval, Connally is looking to his right at frame 193, frame 200 and frame 224.  Connally does NOT appear to make any reaction to a shot until (starting at) frame 224.



SUMMARY:

1.  Kennedy reacts to a shot (probably to his neck) between frames 200 and frame 224.  Because he has to move his arms so far, it had to have been several tenths of a second before frame 224.  It looks like it was closer to at least a second for him to react like he did.

2.  Connally makes no reaction (especially NOT a serious wound) until AFTER he has emerged from behind the sign

3. Because JFK moves both his hands towards his throat, it is reasonable to assume that JFK's first wound was to his throat.

4,  A reasonable conclusion based on the reactions that can be seen in the Zapruder film is that

     a.  First JFK was wounded in the neck

     b.  The next shot (about a second after the first that hit JFK) wounded Connally for the first time.

5. If thwo shots really are closer together than about 3 seconds, it suggests that there were multiple shooters and that means a conspiracy killed JFK.