What?s the best evidence of a second shooter?

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Offline Dillon Rankine

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Re: What?s the best evidence of a second shooter?
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2018, 01:39:34 AM »
When you look at JFK BEFORE he is hidden behind the Stemmon's sign, he has his right hand raised almost to the top of his head.  When he emerges from behind the sign he has quickly lowered his right hand towards his throat and quickly raised his left hand up from his lap towards his throat.



During that same interval, Connally is looking to his right at frame 193, frame 200 and frame 224.  Connally does NOT appear to make any reaction to a shot until (starting at) frame 224.



SUMMARY:

1.  Kennedy reacts to a shot (probably to his neck) between frames 200 and frame 224.  Because he has to move his arms so far, it had to have been several tenths of a second before frame 224.  It looks like it was closer to at least a second for him to react like he did.

2.  Connally makes no reaction (especially NOT a serious wound) until AFTER he has emerged from behind the sign

3. Because JFK moves both his hands towards his throat, it is reasonable to assume that JFK's first wound was to his throat.

4,  A reasonable conclusion based on the reactions that can be seen in the Zapruder film is that

     a.  First JFK was wounded in the neck

     b.  The next shot (about a second after the first that hit JFK) wounded Connally for the first time.

5. If thwo shots really are closer together than about 3 seconds, it suggests that there were multiple shooters and that means a conspiracy killed JFK.

You make a good point about Kennedy?s reaction relative to Connally?s. When he emerges from behind the sign at Z225 he?s markedly distressed and his arms shoot up toward. However it?s physiologically impossible (or at least unlikely) for him to have been voluntarily reaching for his throat after a gunshot wound to his neck due to disruption of the spinal cord. More likely, a perforating shot from the rear struck the two men at Z224ish, and the sudden impact to the trapezius chased his already ascending arms to rocket higher.

Various analyses have found evidence of JFK reacting to something (supposed by the HSCA To be a gunshot) at around Z190. Several witnesses reported a bullet strike the pavement near the limo and seeing JFK flinch afterwards. This aligns with a rugged tear in the rear of the scalp (usually thought to be the entry point of the fatal bullet) and a corresponding circular metallic fragment embedded on the exterior of the skull.

TL;DR.- What I suppose is that a missed shot fired near Z180 hit the curb and sent shrapnel flying to hit JFK, causing him to exclaim (per Kellerman) ?My God, I?m Hit!? Then at Z224 both men were struck.           

Offline Steve Taylor

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Re: What?s the best evidence of a second shooter?
« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2018, 11:19:20 AM »
I made it larger but I don't see a rifle, white baseball cap and glasses.



  Thank you Bill for your enlargement, but I still respectfully disagree with your analysis.  I believe this man pictured at Z255 fired the first shot(s) and is withdrawing from the window.  He is standing, looking down at the rifle as he pulls it back in.  His left hand is visible blocking a complete view of the buttstock.  It looks like he is wearing a black glove.  The glasses are partially visible just below the brim of his cap and are reflecting the Sun. I believe the key to this being a rifle is the sharp curve on the object (to our left).  The rifle is laying on its side.  You see this outline on many types of rifle. I don't believe this could be an arm unless it has severe multiple fractures.  I have another photo of this man standing on the street, just below this window after the assassination if you are interested in me publishing it.
  But first, would you do me a favor and  increase the size of a picture that shows what Dillon was referring to?  This one includes the man on the firescape above my shooter.  I believe it to be the spotter, who is speaking into a radio in his left hand.  I'd appreciate it, or even if you could tell me how you enlarged it, that would be great.  Thanks alot.

 

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: What?s the best evidence of a second shooter?
« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2018, 07:00:24 PM »
All scientific analyses of the film show clear evidence of JBC being struck at Z224.

 BS:

These "scientific" analyses amount to "looks like he's reacting to a bullet strike".  Other people make the exact same arguments about different frames.

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Re: What?s the best evidence of a second shooter?
« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2018, 09:30:05 PM »
BS:

These "scientific" analyses amount to "looks like he's reacting to a bullet strike".  Other people make the exact same arguments about different frames.



At the same time;
Kennedy violently reacts.
Connally violently reacts.
Connally's jacket violently reacts.

Both men's wounds line up and can be traced back to the floor with Oswald's rifle was, geez what are the chances?



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Re: What?s the best evidence of a second shooter?
« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2018, 12:16:11 AM »
At the same time;
Kennedy violently reacts.
Connally violently reacts.
Connally's jacket violently reacts.

Like I said, the "analysis" is "looks to me like they are reacting to a bullet strike".  You see what you expect to see.

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Both men's wounds line up

LOL

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and can be traced back to the floor with Oswald's rifle was, geez what are the chances?

"Oswald's rifle".  LOL.

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: What?s the best evidence of a second shooter?
« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2018, 12:32:53 AM »
Like I said, the "analysis" is "looks to me like they are reacting to a bullet strike".  You see what you expect to see

Nah.. Kennedy suddenly decided to straighten his tie, and Connally swatted at a bee, by coincidence at the same time.

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Re: What?s the best evidence of a second shooter?
« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2018, 12:33:31 AM »
Like I said, the "analysis" is "looks to me like they are reacting to a bullet strike".  You see what you expect to see.

LOL

"Oswald's rifle".  LOL.

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Like I said, the "analysis" is "looks to me like they are reacting to a bullet strike".  You see what you expect to see.

The advanced cgi computer analysis and the physical evidence is that the men were lined up, their wounds were line up back towards Oswald's rifle and they violently react simultaneously, whereas your team reckons there was a dozen keystone kop snipers, nice comeback.

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LOL

Nice, when you got nothing you start laughing like an idiot.

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"Oswald's rifle".  LOL.

See above.

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