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 August 25, 2010, 05:33:17 PM
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He testified that he encountered a "secret service agent" on the GK immediatley after the shooting. My question is what category of witness do we place him in - attention-seeker or liar? Thanks.
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September 08, 2010, 08:21:40 PM
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Ummmm, because it worked like a charm?
Explain how it worked like a charm. If there was a conspiracy, why would they put someone there? How did he help a conspiracy? Once again a conspiracy theory that doesn't even make sense.
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What is silly is thinking that two turns that reduced the speed of the car to 8-11 m.p.h. is no big deal when motorcades are suppose to keep a 44 m.p.h. speed..R Caprio
LHO had poor hand-eye coordination and proof of this is seen in the fact he couldn't drive an automobile-- R Caprio
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September 09, 2010, 02:03:07 AM
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Ummmm, because it worked like a charm?
Explain how it worked like a charm. If there was a conspiracy, why would they put someone there? How did he help a conspiracy? Once again a conspiracy theory that doesn't even make sense. To keep cops such as Smith from giving chase to the shooters? Common sense. If the SS was not involved in the assasination, would a fake SS agent really be acting like an SS agent when they didn't know where the real SS agetns were ? If the SS was involved, why would they deny that SS agents were there, and makes a group of CT question it. Its just more of the same which Mcadms makes clear. 100s of people around and any mistake or any misspeak is turned into something sinter by the nuts. This takes the place of hard facts that show that oswald did it.
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September 09, 2010, 03:04:50 AM
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How many SS agents were on the grounds at Dealey Plazza--supposedly zero. Well, Meatloaf (The rock singer), said that he and some friends were on their way to Parkland Hospital, from a bowling alley, and he said: A guy in a suit---Flagged them down, commandeered his car, took it to Parkland, after, showing him SS (he thought) credentials.
I wonder who this official really was, and why he was stranded alone on the highway?
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September 09, 2010, 11:43:48 AM
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you took the words right out of my mouth
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One of the first things we found out was that the Warren Commission never pursued a conspiracy investigation.
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September 09, 2010, 08:38:17 PM
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I think this is fairly compelling evidence of conspiracy. The LN counter arguments are weak on this topic.
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September 09, 2010, 09:23:30 PM
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Ummmm, because it worked like a charm?
Explain how it worked like a charm. If there was a conspiracy, why would they put someone there? How did he help a conspiracy? Once again a conspiracy theory that doesn't even make sense. To keep cops such as Smith from giving chase to the shooters? Common sense. If the SS was not involved in the assasination, would a fake SS agent really be acting like an SS agent when they didn't know where the real SS agetns were ? Why do you assume they didn't know where the SS agents were. What if even real SS agents such as Emory Roberts (the guy who waved the other SS agent away from the back of JFK's limo) were involved? With insiders in the plot, the fake SS agents would have the necessary information. Nobody waived SS agents away from the bumpers. Thats a conspiracy myth. there was no need for agents on the bumpers at that point. The motorcade was normal for the time. The rest is conspiracy hohwash. And yes i have seen the video where the nuts claim this. I don't do well with WHAT IFs, it just proves you have no proof of anything. That has made alot of people rich on this case.
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September 10, 2010, 06:41:20 PM
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Nobody waived SS agents away from the bumpers. Thats a conspiracy myth. there was no need for agents on the bumpers at that point. The motorcade was normal for the time. The rest is conspiracy hohwash. And yes i have seen the video where the nuts claim this.
I don't do well with WHAT IFs, it just proves you have no proof of anything. That has made alot of people rich on this case.
So are you finally ready to call Joe Smith a liar? Mannix has been asking you. Anyway, Lone Nutters want you to show them DNA or FBI memos. That's the kind of proof they expect you to come up with even in the presence of a huge cover-up. Witness testimony is crap (only if it doesn't suit their Oswald-did-it theory, of course). You totally skipped the Emory Roberts incident. Why do you think he waved the guy away from jfk's limo, which prompted the latter's "wtf" gesture? Do you want a memo stating Emory was clearing the way from the shot from behind? Here's another what-if: What if Ruth Payne was CIA just like her dad and sister? Oh no, wait. I don't have the paystubs. Nevermind. This is what the nuts do. Everyone in thw world is lying to them, trying to cover up the biggest conspiracy in history. Doctors, pathologists,balistic experts, politicians in the same party as JFK, friends of JFK, news organizations, and so on and so on. But when ONE person says that they want to hear, its gospel truth. No way anyone who says what they want to hear could just be wrong about something. Are you aware that when the titanic sunk witnsses disagreed on whethere the ship broke in half or not right in front of their eyes. Stop acting like witnsses ( who say what you ant to hear ) are always correct. Even if Smith did see what he CLAIMS he saw, so what. All evidence points to only 3 shots being fired from the TSBD. So there is no advantage for SS agents to be where you claimed. And i already posted a link on Smith, thats makes a excellent argument that he was just wrong. Roberts iident. I told you I have seen the video, and when everything is taken into context it shows you are lacking common sense with this topic. here i will try to break it down for you..Follow along. In the video nobody is ever on the bumper. SS agents are running along side the car, this was standard procedure for the time. look at other motorcades. I don't believe you will ever find an SS agent on the bumper at that point of the motorcade. You will find many pictures of JFK at airports with ZERO agents on bumpers. So the claim that he ordered agents away from the bumper is hogwash. Nobody was on the bumper. CT claim that its shows agents being ordered off the bumper, because thats what they want to believe. As you noticegent on the other side calmly gets into the followcar, which was procedure for the time. he questions nothing. But you go with the agent who throws his arms up, You have no idea why he is throwing his arms up. But because you are CT you claim it was because he was ordered off the bumper, when in fact there was no need for him on the bumper at that point. By the way the other agent did get on the bumpers a few times during the motorcade, when cops fell back. More common sense, if this was this huge conspiracy why would Robers wait til the airport to tell the agent to stay off the bumper, right infront of cameras. When it wasn't even standard procedure for the time to be there, its makes no sense at all. None. Its made up by CT. Ruth paineill just laugh at that.
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September 10, 2010, 06:58:27 PM
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Nobody waived SS agents away from the bumpers. Thats a conspiracy myth. there was no need for agents on the bumpers at that point. The motorcade was normal for the time. The rest is conspiracy hohwash. And yes i have seen the video where the nuts claim this.
I don't do well with WHAT IFs, it just proves you have no proof of anything. That has made alot of people rich on this case.
So are you finally ready to call Joe Smith a liar? Mannix has been asking you. Anyway, Lone Nutters want you to show them DNA or FBI memos. That's the kind of proof they expect you to come up with even in the presence of a huge cover-up. Witness testimony is crap (only if it doesn't suit their Oswald-did-it theory, of course). You totally skipped the Emory Roberts incident. Why do you think he waved the guy away from jfk's limo, which prompted the latter's "wtf" gesture? Do you want a memo stating Emory was clearing the way from the shot from behind? Here's another what-if: What if Ruth Payne was CIA just like her dad and sister? Oh no, wait. I don't have the paystubs. Nevermind. This is what the nuts do. Everyone in thw world is lying to them, trying to cover up the biggest conspiracy in history. Doctors, pathologists,balistic experts, politicians in the same party as JFK, friends of JFK, news organizations, and so on and so on. But when ONE person says that they want to hear, its gospel truth. No way anyone who says what they want to hear could just be wrong about something. Are you aware that when the titanic sunk witnsses disagreed on whethere the ship broke in half or not right in front of their eyes. Stop acting like witnsses ( who say what you ant to hear ) are always correct. Even if Smith did see what he CLAIMS he saw, so what. All evidence points to only 3 shots being fired from the TSBD. So there is no advantage for SS agents to be where you claimed. And i already posted a link on Smith, thats makes a excellent argument that he was just wrong. Roberts iident. I told you I have seen the video, and when everything is taken into context it shows you are lacking common sense with this topic. here i will try to break it down for you..Follow along. In the video nobody is ever on the bumper. SS agents are running along side the car, this was standard procedure for the time. look at other motorcades. I don't believe you will ever find an SS agent on the bumper at that point of the motorcade. You will find many pictures of JFK at airports with ZERO agents on bumpers. So the claim that he ordered agents away from the bumper is hogwash. Nobody was on the bumper. CT claim that its shows agents being ordered off the bumper, because thats what they want to believe. As you noticegent on the other side calmly gets into the followcar, which was procedure for the time. he questions nothing. But you go with the agent who throws his arms up, You have no idea why he is throwing his arms up. But because you are CT you claim it was because he was ordered off the bumper, when in fact there was no need for him on the bumper at that point. By the way the other agent did get on the bumpers a few times during the motorcade, when cops fell back. More common sense, if this was this huge conspiracy why would Robers wait til the airport to tell the agent to stay off the bumper, right infront of cameras. When it wasn't even standard procedure for the time to be there, its makes no sense at all. None. Its made up by CT. Ruth paineill just laugh at that. JFK could have ordered the agents off the limo himself!. 
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September 11, 2010, 06:04:59 PM
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IAN KINGSBURY: "Nobody waived SS agents away from the bumpers. Thats a conspiracy myth. there was no need for agents on the bumpers at that point. The motorcade was normal for the time. The rest is conspiracy hohwash. And yes i have seen the video where the nuts claim this."
When did I use the word "bumpers"? You are beating a strawman. Then you naively pretend not to have any idea why the waved-off agent throws his arms up in the air. Obviously, he did so as a result of being waved-off the back of the limo. His "wtf" gesture came immediately after being waved off. Can you point to anything else that could have prompted the gesture? That's the problem the Lone Nutters face when attempting to sway public opinion: People like Kingsbury expect most readers here to believe that the SS acting disappointed upon being waved off did so because of an action other than being told to stop doing what he was doing, even as he looked at the people in the rear car. Prediction: You will convince nobody. Bottom line: A person standing immediately behind Kennedy obstructed a shot from behind. Now, if you DO want to talk about bumpers, then tell us why there are SS agents riding on his bumper in a visit to Tampa, as reflected in this snapshot 3 minutes and 30 seconds into the video: <![CDATA[As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
<a href="http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?action=register">Register</a> or <a href="http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?action=login">Login</a>]]> Andre Get your quotes right .Do not mix me up with that knuckle dragging troll Walker.And try reading all the posts Like the one where I said Kennedy could have ordered the agents off the Limo himself. Ian
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September 11, 2010, 06:32:35 PM
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IAN KINGSBURY: "Nobody waived SS agents away from the bumpers. Thats a conspiracy myth. there was no need for agents on the bumpers at that point. The motorcade was normal for the time. The rest is conspiracy hohwash. And yes i have seen the video where the nuts claim this."
When did I use the word "bumpers"? You are beating a strawman. Then you naively pretend not to have any idea why the waved-off agent throws his arms up in the air. Obviously, he did so as a result of being waved-off the back of the limo. His "wtf" gesture came immediately after being waved off. Can you point to anything else that could have prompted the gesture? That's the problem the Lone Nutters face when attempting to sway public opinion: People like Kingsbury expect most readers here to believe that the SS acting disappointed upon being waved off did so because of an action other than being told to stop doing what he was doing, even as he looked at the people in the rear car. Prediction: You will convince nobody. Bottom line: A person standing immediately behind Kennedy obstructed a shot from behind. Now, if you DO want to talk about bumpers, then tell us why there are SS agents riding on his bumper in a visit to Tampa, as reflected in this snapshot 3 minutes and 30 seconds into the video: <![CDATA[As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
<a href="http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?action=register">Register</a> or <a href="http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?action=login">Login</a>]]> . In Tampa the agents were on the bumpers sometimes just like they were in Dallas. Show me some pictures of agents on the back of the limo at airports in othe stops. Its ignorant to think that it was procedure for agetns to be there then. You have no idea why he was throwing up his hands. Being a conspiracy nut you are trying to act like it has to mean he was scheduled to ride on the bumper. But it has alread been shown there was no need for an egent at the bumper at that point. Your argument is lame. He could have been throwing up his hands because there was no room in the followup. As you can see they are trying to make room for him in the followup. I read one site that blew up te pictures and said the agent you are talking about was actually laughing, and joking around. He was scheduled to stay at Love Field, look it up yourself. I don't know actually why he acted like he did and neither do yu. I do know the motorcade was normal for the time and there was no need for someone on the bumper to begin with. I do that that to believe that Roberst waitied until the cameras were rolling at te last second to order an agent away from the bumper, when there was no need for him to be there in the first place is an  argument, that only a conspiracy nut with no common sense could make. Its as rediculous as saying Roberst order people off the windshield at the airport, there was no procudre for anyone to be on the bumper, or the windshield at tha point, so both arguments are silly. You people never learn.
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September 11, 2010, 06:49:46 PM
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IAN KINGSBURY: "Nobody waived SS agents away from the bumpers. Thats a conspiracy myth. there was no need for agents on the bumpers at that point. The motorcade was normal for the time. The rest is conspiracy hohwash. And yes i have seen the video where the nuts claim this."
When did I use the word "bumpers"? You are beating a strawman. Then you naively pretend not to have any idea why the waved-off agent throws his arms up in the air. Obviously, he did so as a result of being waved-off the back of the limo. His "wtf" gesture came immediately after being waved off. Can you point to anything else that could have prompted the gesture? That's the problem the Lone Nutters face when attempting to sway public opinion: People like Kingsbury expect most readers here to believe that the SS acting disappointed upon being waved off did so because of an action other than being told to stop doing what he was doing, even as he looked at the people in the rear car. Prediction: You will convince nobody. Bottom line: A person standing immediately behind Kennedy obstructed a shot from behind. Now, if you DO want to talk about bumpers, then tell us why there are SS agents riding on his bumper in a visit to Tampa, as reflected in this snapshot 3 minutes and 30 seconds into the video: <![CDATA[As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
<a href="http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?action=register">Register</a> or <a href="http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?action=login">Login</a>]]> . In Tampa the agents were on the bumpers sometimes just like they were in Dallas. Show me some pictures of agents on the back of the limo at airports in othe stops. Its ignorant to think that it was procedure for agetns to be there then. You have no idea why he was throwing up his hands. Being a conspiracy nut you are trying to act like it has to mean he was scheduled to ride on the bumper. But it has alread been shown there was no need for an egent at the bumper at that point. Your argument is lame. He could have been throwing up his hands because there was no room in the followup. As you can see they are trying to make room for him in the followup. I read one site that blew up te pictures and said the agent you are talking about was actually laughing, and joking around. He was scheduled to stay at Love Field, look it up yourself. I don't know actually why he acted like he did and neither do yu. I do know the motorcade was normal for the time and there was no need for someone on the bumper to begin with. I do that that to believe that Roberst waitied until the cameras were rolling at te last second to order an agent away from the bumper, when there was no need for him to be there in the first place is an argument, that only a conspiracy nut with no common sense could make. Its as rediculous as saying Roberst order people off the windshield at the airport, there was no procudre for anyone to be on the bumper, or the windshield at tha point, so both arguments are silly. You people never learn. here are some pictures of JFK with nobody on the bumpers or the back of the car. It wasn't procedure for the time. This is so typical of the nuts. I have given you proof that it was standard procedure not to have agents o bumpers at the time. Yet you see an agent you claim ( with no way of knowing if your correct ) throw up his arms and you try to act like this is proof that agents were called off the bumper and the SS was involved. Talk about grasping for straws. You people are amazing. You want to believe so back that you twist anything you can. As a guest, you are not allowed to view links.
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