Do JFKA CT's also believe that 9/11 was a U.S. Government conspiracy?

[Tom Scully]

This NIST (National Institute of Science and Technology) report based on interviews, is dated three years
before NIST released its final report on the unprecedented collapse of WTC-7 from "ordinary office contents fueled fire."

It is a big .pdg file, nearly 300 pages!
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GOVPUB-C13-af8729e24077b212ca94e087541b42d8/pdf/GOVPUB-C13-af8729e24077b212ca94e087541b42d8.pdf





Two things stand out to me. The 2008 NIST final report states water to fight the fire in WTC-7 or to pressurize the building's sprinkler system was unavailable, yet in 2005 two functioning fire boats capable of pumping high volumes of water from the Hudson river were nearby.

The second is that by noon there was concern of imminent collapse of WTC-7.... why, if collapse would be an unprecedented incident? Since collapse potential was unprecedented and most floors were not involved in fire, including the uppermost 17 floors when the decision was made to do nothing, why was not every effort made to connect one of the fire boat's output to a sidewalk level standpoint resulting in pressurizing the building's sprinkler system?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center
"...On September 11, 2001, the structure was substantially damaged by debris when the nearby North Tower of the World Trade Center collapsed. The debris ignited fires on multiple lower floors of the building, which continued to burn uncontrolled throughout the afternoon. The building's internal fire suppression system lacked water pressure to fight the fires. The collapse began when a critical internal column buckled and triggered cascading failure of nearby columns throughout, which was first visible from the exterior with the crumbling of a rooftop penthouse structure at 5:20:33 pm. This initiated progressive collapse of the entire building at 5:21:10 pm, according to FEMA,[5]:23 while the 2008 NIST study placed the final collapse time at 5:20:52 pm.[6]:19, 21, 50–51 The collapse made the old 7 World Trade Center the first steel skyscraper known to have collapsed primarily due to uncontrolled fires.[7][8]

...After the World Trade Center bombings of February 26, 1993, New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani decided to situate the emergency command center and associated fuel tanks at 7 World Trade Center. Although this decision was criticized in light of the events of 9/11, the fuel in the building is today not believed to have contributed to the collapse of the building.[19][20]:2..."

[Richard Smith]

"My only disagreement with Steve is that I think both the far left and the far right are equally susceptible to believing in a JFK conspiracy theory."

Joe, yes, I suspect that too. Although I haven't seen any polling data on the question. Has there been any polling on the ideological makeup of JFK conspiracy believers? I'm not aware of it.

There is what political scientists call a "horseshoe theory" where the far political left and far political right, instead of being polar opposites, tend to merge or agree on critical matters. There's a populist far left and a populist far right - think of Bernie Sanders' supporters and Trump supporters - that both believe the government has been stolen, that rich and powerful elites run too much of it. They obviously disagree on who these people are and their purpose behind this control. But both agree there is this cabal that runs things. I think it's this type of thinking that leads to a believe in a JFK conspiracy. That JFK was a threat to this cabal and it was for that that he was silenced.

Part of the problem for us with this view is I'm very confident that the majority of people in many other countries also believe there was a conspiracy behind the assassination. I've seen a poll of people in the UK (can't recall the date) that showed 65% believe there was one. So the far left/far right grouping in the US has to take into account this fact. That is, it's not just the "extremes" that believe this. Although that might be true in other countries too. That is, far left and far right people in the UK or France or Japan (whatever) are more likely to believe in a JFK conspiracy.

Back to Jerry Organ's illogical argument: He says that "Many LNers" watch Fox and Breitbart and have been manipulated into believing government conspiracies. But they don't believe in a 9/11 conspiracy. Or the JFK conspiracy either. That makes no sense to me. If they've been brainwashed into embracing government conspiracy theories then why do they reject the two most famous alleged conspiracies in modern US history?: JFK's death and 9/11/.

All the more ironic is that perhaps the biggest and most outlandish conspiracy theory in modern history - surpassing even the JFK conspiracies and 9/11 - is the fake Russian collusion conspiracy theory touted by leftists for years.  A wild conspiracy theory that suggested that the President of the United States was an agent of Russia or under some form of blackmail to do Russia's binding.  But others are the conspiracy theorists.  The hypocrisy is astounding. 

[Zeon Mason]

Strangely, I agree with Spike Lee about something

[Mark A. Oblazney]

This NIST (National Institute of Science and Technology) report based on interviews, is dated three years
before NIST released its final report on the unprecedented collapse of WTC-7 from "ordinary office contents fueled fire."

It is a big .pdg file, nearly 300 pages!
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GOVPUB-C13-af8729e24077b212ca94e087541b42d8/pdf/GOVPUB-C13-af8729e24077b212ca94e087541b42d8.pdf





Two things stand out to me. The 2008 NIST final report states water to fight the fire in WTC-7 or to pressurize the building's sprinkler system was unavailable, yet in 2005 two functioning fire boats capable of pumping high volumes of water from the Hudson river were nearby.

The second is that by noon there was concern of imminent collapse of WTC-7.... why, if collapse would be an unprecedented incident? Since collapse potential was unprecedented and most floors were not involved in fire, including the uppermost 17 floors when the decision was made to do nothing, why was not every effort made to connect one of the fire boat's output to a sidewalk level standpoint resulting in pressurizing the building's sprinkler system?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center
"...On September 11, 2001, the structure was substantially damaged by debris when the nearby North Tower of the World Trade Center collapsed. The debris ignited fires on multiple lower floors of the building, which continued to burn uncontrolled throughout the afternoon. The building's internal fire suppression system lacked water pressure to fight the fires. The collapse began when a critical internal column buckled and triggered cascading failure of nearby columns throughout, which was first visible from the exterior with the crumbling of a rooftop penthouse structure at 5:20:33 pm. This initiated progressive collapse of the entire building at 5:21:10 pm, according to FEMA,[5]:23 while the 2008 NIST study placed the final collapse time at 5:20:52 pm.[6]:19, 21, 50–51 The collapse made the old 7 World Trade Center the first steel skyscraper known to have collapsed primarily due to uncontrolled fires.[7][8]

...After the World Trade Center bombings of February 26, 1993, New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani decided to situate the emergency command center and associated fuel tanks at 7 World Trade Center. Although this decision was criticized in light of the events of 9/11, the fuel in the building is today not believed to have contributed to the collapse of the building.[19][20]:2..."

300 pages?  That's a lot of reading.  Thanks for posting, Tom.