1+1+1=6

[Walt Cakebread]

How do you know?

Kellerman never said a "flurry of shots".

He didn't??   Then explain this Billy Bob.....

Mr. SPECTER. Can you describe the sound of the flurry of shots by way of distinction with the way you have described the sound of the first shot?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Well, having heard all types of guns fired, most of them, rather, if I recall correctly these were two sharp reports, sir. Again, I am going to refer to it as like a plane going through a sound barrier; bang, bang.
Mr. SPECTER. Now, you are referring to the flurry?
Mr. KELLERMAN. That is right.

[Zeon Mason]

Zeon, we do not know that Kellerman had the perception of a flurry of shots because he never said that.

Every single study of the autopsy photos and X-rays concluded that Kennedy was hit twice and both shots were from above and behind.

Im not contesting if he said heard a flurry, im just suggesting the "flurry" perception he has, which you were saying is caused by fragments hitting windhield, might not ALL be from the MC rifle.


And Im not contesting the head shot came from the rear, i am contesting which rear trajectory from TSBD works better, an imo, the SW angle is MUCH closer to a path from entrance wound as per HSCA diagram, to the V notch in the autopsy photo.


Im not entirely convinced by the Inside the Target Car experiment, Bill. Imo that did not have JFKs head turned leftward enough. And although they DID show a similar forward and upwards splatter pattern, I think the failed to show a bullet fragmenting into at least 6 sizable fragments and also how 3 of those could bounce of inner windsheild and richochet around the driver Greer.

[Bill Brown]

Im not contesting if he said heard a flurry, im just suggesting the "flurry" perception he has, which you were saying is caused by fragments hitting windhield, might not ALL be from the MC rifle.


And Im not contesting the head shot came from the rear, i am contesting which rear trajectory from TSBD works better, an imo, the SW angle is MUCH closer to a path from entrance wound as per HSCA diagram, to the V notch in the autopsy photo.


Im not entirely convinced by the Inside the Target Car experiment, Bill. Imo that did not have JFKs head turned leftward enough. And although they DID show a similar forward and upwards splatter pattern, I think the failed to show a bullet fragmenting into at least 6 sizable fragments and also how 3 of those could bounce of inner windsheild and richochet around the driver Greer.

My point was that Kellerman said a "flurry of shells" as opposed to a flurry of shots.  Big difference.

[Matt Grantham]

Kellerman never said a "flurry of shots".

Mr. SPECTER. Now, in your prior testimony you described a flurry of shells into the car. How many shots did you hear after the first noise which you described as sounding like a firecracker?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Mr. Specter, these shells came in all together.
Mr. SPECTER. Are you able to say how many you heard?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I am going to say two, and it was like a double bang--bang, bang.
Mr. SPECTER. You mean now two shots in addition to the first noise?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir; yes, sir; at least.

[Matt Grantham]

Thanks for the bumps Tony Yes it is nice when someone is in error that they actually admit it

[Walt Cakebread]

My point was that Kellerman said a "flurry of shells" as opposed to a flurry of shots.  Big difference.

My point was that Kellerman said a "flurry of shells" as opposed to a flurry of shots.  Big difference.

Merely a difference of semantics ......   Just as some cops referred to the spent cartridges on the sixth floor as "shells" and sometimes "slugs"....   Most intelligent folks understood that whether the spent cartridges were referred to as "shells", or "hulls" or "slugs" or "brass"..... the objects were spent cartridges

Kellerman was referring to the fusillade of bullets ( projectiles) ......

[Bill Brown]

Thanks for the bumps Tony Yes it is nice when someone is in error that they actually admit it

Point out an error of mine and I'll admit I made an error.  Fair enough?

Kellerman never says a flurry of shots; he said a "flurry of shells".  I'm not going to bother pointing out the difference.