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Online Walt Cakebread

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Re: The Limo Bullet Fragments....
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2018, 01:19:31 PM »
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Ballistic experts Robert Frazier and Joseph Nicol examined the stretcher bullet and the two fragments recovered from the limousine and determined that they were fired from the rifle found on the sixth floor of the TSBD, to the exclusion of all other rifles in the world.


Briliant, Einstein... now show conclusively that CE 399 and the fragments now in evidence are indeed the same as the bullet found at Parkland and the fragments found in the car..... can you do that?

Here's news for you; if you can't show that, everything else in your post falls apart and all you are left with is what you (want to) believe

Ballistic experts Robert Frazier and Joseph Nicol examined the stretcher bullet and the two fragments recovered from the limousine and determined that they were fired from the rifle found on the sixth floor of the TSBD, to the exclusion of all other rifles in the world.


In a telephone conversation with LBJ on 11/23/63 J.Edgar Hoover told LBJ..."We have what we call slivers, which are not very valuable in the identification."

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Offline Howard Gee

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« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2018, 05:14:30 PM »
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In conclusion, while it is possible that the fragments came from two different bullets, logic indicates that this is unlikely. Most likely, they came from the same bullet.

Joe Elliot, I think your conclusion is correct and your analysis is pretty darned good.

It should be noted that regardless of whether the fragments came from one bullet or two, they are devastating evidence against LHO.


"Ballistic experts Robert Frazier and Joseph Nicol examined the stretcher bullet and the two fragments recovered from the limousine and determined that they were fired from the rifle found on the sixth floor of the TSBD, to the exclusion of all other rifles in the world." 

Since we know the fragments came from bullets fired by C2766, unless the fragments were planted - and all the evidence showing Saint Oz ordered, paid for, and possessed C2766 is fabricated - we can only conclude that Saint Oz is guilty.

That is unless someone stole Saint Oz's rifle from the garage and used it to assassinate JFK.

LHO: GUILTY BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT

Online Walt Cakebread

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Re: The Limo Bullet Fragments....
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2018, 05:24:41 PM »
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Joe Elliot, I think your conclusion is correct and your analysis is pretty darned good.

It should be noted that regardless of whether the fragments came from one bullet or two, they are devastating evidence against LHO.


"Ballistic experts Robert Frazier and Joseph Nicol examined the stretcher bullet and the two fragments recovered from the limousine and determined that they were fired from the rifle found on the sixth floor of the TSBD, to the exclusion of all other rifles in the world." 

Since we know the fragments came from bullets fired by C2766, unless the fragments were planted - and all the evidence showing Saint Oz ordered, paid for, and possessed C2766 is fabricated - we can only conclude that Saint Oz is guilty.

That is unless someone stole Saint Oz's rifle from the garage and used it to assassinate JFK.

LHO: GUILTY BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT

Since we know the fragments came from bullets fired by C2766,

Gee Howie.....perhaps you should that a refresher course in reading comprehension.

In a telephone conversation with LBJ on 11/23/63 J.Edgar Hoover told LBJ..."We have what we call slivers, which are not very valuable in the identification."

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Re: The Limo Bullet Fragments....
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2018, 05:49:32 PM »
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Since we know the fragments came from bullets fired by C2766,

Gee Howie.....perhaps you should that a refresher course in reading comprehension.

In a telephone conversation with LBJ on 11/23/63 J.Edgar Hoover told LBJ..."We have what we call slivers, which are not very valuable in the identification."

Walter, unfortunately for you and the Saint Oz defense team, more than just slivers were found in the limo, regardless of what Hoover told LBJ on 11/23/63.


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Re: The Limo Bullet Fragments....
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2018, 03:20:00 PM »
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Walter, unfortunately for you and the Saint Oz defense team, more than just slivers were found in the limo, regardless of what Hoover told LBJ on 11/23/63.

"more than just slivers were found in the limo, regardless of what Hoover told LBJ on 11/23/63."

Oh really, Howie?     So you think that simply because you lack the vocabulary that would enable you to understand that Hoover used a different word to describe the bullet fragments and he referred to the fragments as "slivers "......Then there were more pieces of a bullet found in the limo.   Please enlighten me about these pieces of a bullet(s) .....

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« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2018, 04:30:48 PM »
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"more than just slivers were found in the limo, regardless of what Hoover told LBJ on 11/23/63."

Oh really, Howie?     So you think that simply because you lack the vocabulary that would enable you to understand that Hoover used a different word to describe the bullet fragments and he referred to the fragments as "slivers "......Then there were more pieces of a bullet found in the limo.   Please enlighten me about these pieces of a bullet(s) .....

Walt, I'm not sure you're capable of being enlightened.

If you want to insist that the two large fragments found in the limo were merely slivers because that's what Hoover said on 11/23/63, go right ahead.

I understand how devastating the fragment evidence is to Saint Oz's defense team, and can't blame you for trying to deny it's existence.

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« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2018, 04:54:08 PM »
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Walt, I'm not sure you're capable of being enlightened.

If you want to insist that the two large fragments found in the limo were merely slivers because that's what Hoover said on 11/23/63, go right ahead.

I understand how devastating the fragment evidence is to Saint Oz's defense team, and can't blame you for trying to deny it's existence.

I understand how devastating the fragment evidence is

In a telephone conversation with LBJ on 11/23/63 J.Edgar Hoover told LBJ..."We have (fragments) what we call slivers, which are not very valuable in the identification."

It seems to me that J. Edgar's statement to LBJ is far more devastating to  your contention ....  J. Edgar Hoover clearly told Lyin Bastroid Johnson that the fragments were NOT very valuable for identification purposes.....
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Re: The Limo Bullet Fragments....
« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2018, 08:01:25 PM »
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Theory 1: A bullet fragmented into three. One fragment struck the windshield and cracked it and bounced back into the limousine. This fragment was found in the limousine. A second fragment from the same bullet dented the windshield frame and bounced back into the limousine. This fragment was also found in the limousine. While both the found fragments only account for 60% of the mass of a bullet, a third fragment must have just cleared the windshield and sun visors and wounded Mr. Tague.

Unfortunately, Tague said there was another shot after he was hit.

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While one bullet might fragment, causing one or more fragments to just hit the limousine, and one or more fragments to just clear the limousine, this is unlikely to occur twice, which Theory 2 requires.

Why is this "unlikely to occur twice"?

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Also, we have reason to believe only one bullet would fragment. We only have one wound that would cause such a bullet to fragment, JFKs head wound.

How do you know there was only one head wound?

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Re: The Limo Bullet Fragments....
« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2018, 08:06:16 PM »
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These other guys were Secret Service agents.

Really?  I think it would have been news to hospital corpsman Mills that he was a Secret Service agent.

But was crime scene evidence collection even within the purview of the Secret Service?

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Reasonable people have theories. Unreasonable people have established truths in their heads that they cannot seriously question.

You mean like the idea that Oswald did it?

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Re: The Limo Bullet Fragments....
« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2018, 08:09:49 PM »
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It was, of course, impossible to determine that the two fragments came from the same bullet or from two different bullets. But two different bullets each leaving a fragment that stays in the limousine, while the other fragment leaves the limousine, is patently unlikely for the following reasons.

How exactly do you know that any part of any head shot bullet "left the limousine"?

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