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Offline Richard Rubio

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Re: Hoover's recently released memo; does it prove conspiracy?
« Reply #30 on: June 11, 2018, 05:08:51 PM »
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         Not sure how you arrive at, "the evidence proved Oswald was guilty Beyond any Doubt", only 2 Days after the assassination. This sort of so called Justice is  right in line with Judge Roy Bean's, "You'll get a fair trial and the hangin' will be in the morning"

That all may be so ... but this isn't about that, it would be about avoiding frightening escalations with the Soviets.

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Re: Hoover's recently released memo; does it prove conspiracy?
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Re: Hoover's recently released memo; does it prove conspiracy?
« Reply #31 on: June 11, 2018, 05:31:11 PM »
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You are mixing apples and oranges.  Hoover and many others were undoubtedly anti-commies and supported strong measures including military measures in many instances to combat it.  That differs vastly, however, from being pressured by hysterical kooks into a nuclear war with Russia due to a false claim that Oswald was involved with the Russians or Cubans in assassinating JFK.  You have undermined your own fantasy, however, if you are suggesting that Hoover and others involved in the cover up would have wanted a war with Russia or Cuba.  If that were the case, then why not go with the conspiracy nonsense that the Russians or Cubans were behind the assassination rather than putting the blame all on Oswald?   It would have been a golden opportunity.  Instead these anti-communists officials put all the blame on poor old Lee.

"If that were the case, then why not go with the conspiracy nonsense that the Russians or Cubans were behind the assassination rather than putting the blame all on Oswald?"

Some think that was the original intent of the people involved, a pretext for invading Cuba etc,  - not me -

but was shelved when officials realized invading Cuba meant war with Russia.

A dead LN assassin cleans up all the loose ends and limits any investigation into who was responsible.

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Re: Hoover's recently released memo; does it prove conspiracy?
« Reply #32 on: June 11, 2018, 06:56:27 PM »
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"If that were the case, then why not go with the conspiracy nonsense that the Russians or Cubans were behind the assassination rather than putting the blame all on Oswald?"

Some think that was the original intent of the people involved, a pretext for invading Cuba etc,  - not me -

but was shelved when officials realized invading Cuba meant war with Russia.

A dead LN assassin cleans up all the loose ends and limits any investigation into who was responsible.

IMO

So it didn't occur to the conspirators in the months or years spent preparing the plot that blaming it on the Cubans would mean war with Russia?  But within a couple hours of the assassination it suddenly dawns on them.  LOL.  And they immediately abandon the entire purpose of the assassination plot and entirely reverse course on a dime to put all the blame on Oswald and cover up the involvement of Cuba.  The whole matter becomes a waste of time at enormous risk.  Those nutty conspirators.

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Re: Hoover's recently released memo; does it prove conspiracy?
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Re: Hoover's recently released memo; does it prove conspiracy?
« Reply #33 on: June 11, 2018, 07:48:56 PM »
Putting an ear-ring on a pig doesn't make the pig smell any better...

Any law enforcement officer who is willing destroy someone's life and family because the officer is trying to save the neighborhood - or even trying to avert WWIII - is just as much a thug deserving of our full disdain, as the law enforcement officer who is willing to destroy someone's life and family to cover-up his involvement in killing a president for whatever reason....

There is no justification here at all... the end result, does not justify the means to that end....

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Re: Hoover's recently released memo; does it prove conspiracy?
« Reply #34 on: June 11, 2018, 08:39:03 PM »
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Putting an ear-ring on a pig doesn't make the pig smell any better...

Any law enforcement officer who is willing destroy someone's life and family because the officer is trying to save the neighborhood - or even trying to avert WWIII - is just as much a thug deserving of our full disdain, as the law enforcement officer who is willing to destroy someone's life and family to cover-up his involvement in killing a president for whatever reason....

There is no justification here at all... the end result, does not justify the means to that end....

Trying to shame others with faux righteousness won't work either.  Oswald may well have been dead already when Hoover wrote this. Yeah, trying to save millions of lives is worse than feeling you've caught the assassin but are unsure.

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Re: Hoover's recently released memo; does it prove conspiracy?
« Reply #35 on: June 11, 2018, 08:49:05 PM »
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Putting an ear-ring on a pig doesn't make the pig smell any better...

Any law enforcement officer who is willing destroy someone's life and family because the officer is trying to save the neighborhood - or even trying to avert WWIII - is just as much a thug deserving of our full disdain, as the law enforcement officer who is willing to destroy someone's life and family to cover-up his involvement in killing a president for whatever reason....

There is no justification here at all... the end result, does not justify the means to that end....

Except that is not what happened.  Hoover and the FBI believed Oswald was guilty based on the evidence.  They had the same basic evidence to link him to this crime at that time as we do today.  Gun, flight, nutty political background, murder of a police officer etc.   Hoover didn't want WWIII based on the erroneous assumption that the Cubans or Russians were involved.  That was a very sensible and admirable course of action.  Thus, it was important to convince the public of Oswald's guilt because he was guilty and baseless rumors of the involvement of other countries could have led to the deaths of millions.   

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Re: Hoover's recently released memo; does it prove conspiracy?
« Reply #36 on: June 12, 2018, 02:05:01 AM »
Within 2 to 3 days, two top government officials express their common concern that the public must be convinced that Oswald is the real assassin of the president, and that there is no conspiracy.

Nicholas Katzenbach, the deputy attorney general at the time, wrote a memo the day after Hoover wrote his memo, restating similar concerns:

"The public must be satisfied that Oswald was the assassin; that he did not have confederates who are still at large; and that evidence was such that he would have been convicted at trial."

For any investigator to think he or she has all the evidence to rule out any accomplices in an assassination within 3 days, is ridiculous. It was an effort to frame Oswald - most likely motivated as a cover-up.
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Re: Hoover's recently released memo; does it prove conspiracy?
« Reply #37 on: June 12, 2018, 04:39:44 PM »
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That all may be so ... but this isn't about that, it would be about avoiding frightening escalations with the Soviets.

               This Thread is about the Hoover Memo which was dated 2 days after the assassination. Hoover basically Tarring Oswald only 2 days after the assassination is Wrong whatever his motivation(s) might be.

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