Lee Oswald The Cop Killer

[Bill Brown]

my doubt re: number of shells by whom....already have

...from the start the CoE on the "Davis Shells" lol  is certainly not clear
I think Tom Sorensen has already explained that to you more than once

Sorenson, as usual, is wrong.  Both Doughty and Dhority positively identified the shells given to them by each of the Davis sisters.

Whenever you're ready to actually show what the problem is with the chain of custody of these two shells, I'd love to have a look.  So far, all I have seen you do is bitch about how there is a problem, but I haven't seen you show what the problem is.

[Jerry Freeman]

Super -Duper Ultra right wing Kennedy hater asst DA Bill Alexander tagged along with the dynamic duo of Hill and Westbrook. None of these guys were homicide investigators. They were personnel department officers and a prosecutor. Who knows what they were really up to? William Alexander never testified to the Warren Commission.

[Bill Brown]

You are technically correct, but I needed to get the nomenclature issue out of the way first. I also helps that you acknowledged what I said.

Hill would later say that he assumed they were from an automatic because of the way they were scattered. I think there may be more to it than that. Think of Summers' transmission about a ".32 dark finish automatic." Some witness at the scene had to be talking about an auto, and I wouldn't be surprised if Hill heard that description ,or about it, and it influenced his thinking. He hears about a witness describing a .32 auto, sees the .38 Special cases scattered about (and no .32 cases or reports of extra gunmen), and figures that no witness would really be able to tell the caliber of the pistol simply from looking at it from 20 feet away. Therefore, an automatic pistol firing .38 special.

BTW, any more, Ted Callaway is generally held to be the witness responsible for the .32 dark finish automatic . He never got closer to it than the width of Patton Ave, which Google tells me is 30' curb to curb and 45' from sidewalk to sidewalk*. I wouldn't put that much significance to his ID, other than the two things easily divined at that distance: it's size and color. A .32 auto is a relatively compact weapon, and Summers said it best: "dark finish". Both of which happen to fit the description of Oswald's stubby-barreled pistol.

* sidewalks along that stretch of Patton have been redone, so may not be where they were in 1963.

The FBI estimated that the closest Callaway was to Oswald was fifty-six feet.

[Bill Brown]

The Tippit shooting star witness-Helen Markham stated that she left her house at 1:00 as she usually did. That time was dismissed....she must have been 'mistaken'.
She could not point out LHO and say 'That's him there!'
Even after being prepped for her testimony, she still wasn't sure [already posted here umpteen times] The Davis girls didn't put their initials on the shells did they? That starts the CoE legally.

Supposedly "being prepped for her testimony" in 1964 has absolutely nothing to do with her positive identification of Lee Oswald as the killer on Nov. 22, 1963.

[Mitch Todd]

Who said anything about Oswald? My post had a title for easy reading - so I thought
I cited "Seven officers that wrote: a suspect arrested or questioned in the balcony"
did they not write one of these in their report?

Neither Buhk nor Carroll mentioned an arrest on the balcony or any questioning of any suspects on the balcony. You're still completely wrong there.

Cunningham and Toney did start asking questions of a guy sitting on or next to the stairs on the balcony, but it doesn't sound like he'd risen to the level of actually being a suspect. Toney said the "manager on duty" told them that "this subject had been in the theater since about 12:05," and that was the end of it.
 

[Martin Weidmann]

I would suggest that your bar is exceedingly high. Its not one that courts of law adhere to.

Since when are you an expert on how high or low courts of law determine the bar must be?

I wasn't even aware that some sort of universal standard existed, so please enlighten me.....

Btw, Tim, I find it somewhat odd that you seem to feel that merely asking for a sound and conclusive chain of custody for a piece of evidence is somehow raising the bar "exceedingly high".

[Bill Brown]

The legal chain of custody does not start until the first law enforcement officer takes possession.

That's exactly right... and those law enforcement officers (Doughty and Dhority) later both positively identified the two shells as the shells turned over to them by the Davis girls.

A proper chain of possession must be maintained from the time it is collected by law enforcement personnel to the time it appears in court.

These clowns can claim there is a problem with the chain of custody, but any clown can make any claim they want, no matter how hollow, unfounded and wrong the claim is.  It is another thing entirely to actually show what the chain of custody problem is.