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Offline Bill Brown

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #320 on: June 04, 2018, 05:14:58 AM »
Linnie Mae testified that the bag she saw was 28 1/2 inches long.  I must have missed Mary Brock's testimony where she said that "approximately 1:30" was probably 1:20.

LOL.  So now your game is to pretend that "somewhere around the Texaco station" means "at the Texaco station walking past Mary Brock".  But let's go with your "probably 1:20" and see where that leads.  What time did Johnny Calvin Brewer say he saw the man who looked funny in front of his shoe store?  He also said 1:30.  But that would mean that this "fast walking man" took 10 minutes to go 0.4 miles.  Supposedly the same guy who was able earlier to "fast walk" 1.1 miles in only 11 minutes.  Then another 14 minutes for him (if it was the same guy) to enter the theater and for Postal to call the cops on him.  So if anything, Brewer's estimate was too early.  No matter how you slice it there's missing time.

Or... and I know this is a stretch for you, but bare with me... Mary Brock saw Oswald walk past her around 1:20 since we know Reynolds and Patterson followed Oswald to that point... and Reynolds and Patterson could not have been following Oswald for more then a couple minutes as it's only one block from Patton & Jefferson (Reynolds' and Patterson's location at the time of the shooting) to the Texaco station.

It's painfully obvious that the time approximation of 1:30 is just that, an approximation.  You can take it literal if you wish, but that shows that either you don't have a clue about the witnesses and timelines or your dishonest and not interested in the truth.

If you were really interested in the truth, you'd understand this.  But, you're not interested in the truth.

How about this... Explain how the man could literally walk past Mary Brock as late as 1:30  if it's the same man who Reynolds and Patterson were following once they saw him run down Patton from the direction of the shooting.  We're talking about a parking lot located two blocks from the shooting scene.  1:30?  How does that work?

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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #321 on: June 04, 2018, 05:51:41 AM »
Let's get a grip, this is 1963 and people either said about/approximately/around either 1 or 1:30 which works out to a mean time of 1:15.
Scoggins who was on lunch and was due back at work would have been clock watching and Scoggins said about 1:20.

And Markham and Bowley who both had reasons to "clock watch" both put the shooting earlier than the narrative.  Let's face it, you guys use whatever times you think will support your story.  Besides, how the hell would Scoggins know what time a man was walking near the Texaco station?

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #322 on: June 04, 2018, 05:53:50 AM »
The eyewitnesses who positively identified Oswald and confirmed he was carrying a gun

No matter how many times you regurgitate this claptrap, unfair and biased lineups are still unreliable.  And "carrying a gun" doesn't prove that you just murdered somebody anyway.

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #323 on: June 04, 2018, 06:06:47 AM »
Or... and I know this is a stretch for you, but bare with me...

What, you want me to get naked?

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Mary Brock saw Oswald walk past her around 1:20 since we know Reynolds and Patterson followed Oswald to that point...

That's not what you said.  You said they saw him "somewhere around the Texaco station".

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and Reynolds and Patterson could not have been following Oswald for more then a couple minutes as it's only one block from Patton & Jefferson (Reynolds' and Patterson's location at the time of the shooting) to the Texaco station.

Another assumption.  Reynolds and Patterson saw a guy coming down Patton Street.  They didn't know where he came from or how long it took him to get there.

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It's painfully obvious that the time approximation of 1:30 is just that, an approximation.  You can take it literal if you wish, but that shows that either you don't have a clue about the witnesses and timelines or your dishonest and not interested in the truth.

What it shows is that you'll make up whatever times you think will support your narrative.

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How about this... Explain how the man could literally walk past Mary Brock as late as 1:30  if it's the same man who Reynolds and Patterson were following once they saw him run down Patton from the direction of the shooting.  We're talking about a parking lot located two blocks from the shooting scene.  1:30?  How does that work?

That was my question.  How does that work?  I'm not sure it was the same man.  Mary Brock's husband wasn't so sure.

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Online Walt Cakebread

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #324 on: June 04, 2018, 12:43:04 PM »
Or... and I know this is a stretch for you, but bare with me... Mary Brock saw Oswald walk past her around 1:20 since we know Reynolds and Patterson followed Oswald to that point... and Reynolds and Patterson could not have been following Oswald for more then a couple minutes as it's only one block from Patton & Jefferson (Reynolds' and Patterson's location at the time of the shooting) to the Texaco station.

It's painfully obvious that the time approximation of 1:30 is just that, an approximation.  You can take it literal if you wish, but that shows that either you don't have a clue about the witnesses and timelines or your dishonest and not interested in the truth.

If you were really interested in the truth, you'd understand this.  But, you're not interested in the truth.

How about this... Explain how the man could literally walk past Mary Brock as late as 1:30  if it's the same man who Reynolds and Patterson were following once they saw him run down Patton from the direction of the shooting.  We're talking about a parking lot located two blocks from the shooting scene.  1:30?  How does that work?

Isn't it time to start being honest?

Isn't it time to start being honest?

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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #325 on: June 04, 2018, 03:54:49 PM »

Let's get a grip, this is 1963 and people either said about/approximately/around either 1 or 1:30 which works out to a mean time of 1:15.
Scoggins who was on lunch and was due back at work would have been clock watching and Scoggins said about 1:20.

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Scoggins who was on lunch and was due back at work would have been clock watching and Scoggins said about 1:20.


Markham had to take the bus to work and would have been clock watching and Markham said about 1:06

Bowley had to pick up his daughter from school and his wife from work and would have been clock watching and Bowley said 1:10


Btw... Scoggins' timeline shows he was at least 10 minutes off in his estimates, as he would have arrived at the corner of 10th/Patton at least ten minutes earlier (after dropping off his last ride near by) than he said.

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #326 on: June 04, 2018, 04:30:54 PM »
Scoggins who was on lunch and was due back at work would have been clock watching and Scoggins said about 1:20.


Markham had to take the bus to work and would have been clock watching and Markham said about 1:06

Bowley had to pick up his daughter from school and his wife from work and would have been clock watching and Bowley said 1:10


Btw... Scoggins' timeline shows he was at least 10 minutes off in his estimates, as he would have arrived at the corner of 10th/Patton at least ten minutes earlier (after dropping off his last ride near by) than he said.

Markham had to take the bus to work and would have been clock watching and Markham said about 1:06

Bowley had to pick up his daughter from school and his wife from work and would have been clock watching and Bowley said 1:10


You're right...      Markham, Bowley, and Benavides all verify the time of the shooting as about 1:06 .....The liars who framed an innocent man, desperately try to set the clock ahead and attempt to make the time of the murder as about 1:16.    But all of the three ( Markham, Bowley, Benavides) witnesses KNEW the approximate ( within a minute) time of the event....   And none placed the time as late as 1:16.

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #327 on: June 04, 2018, 07:19:16 PM »
You clearly have no idea what constitutes a positive identification...
Trying to battle wits there with someone that's totally disarmed.

Offline John Mytton

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #328 on: June 04, 2018, 11:56:01 PM »
Trying to battle wits...






Exactly, he tried and failed and he's your role model?





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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #329 on: June 05, 2018, 12:10:19 AM »
You clearly have no idea what constitutes a positive identification since no one positively identified LHO. Get over it.




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