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Online John Iacoletti

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #220 on: May 25, 2018, 09:24:37 PM »
I don't think that's what Benavides told he police.......I think he told them that he couldn't verify that Lee Oswald was the man that he saw extracting a shell from a revolver as he left the scene of the lopsided gunfight.

"Poor dumb cop.....  He never had a chance and he didn't even realize that he was an expendable pawn"....

Leavelle:  "I think he said he never saw the man actually. I believe he said later on he did not see the man."

Callaway:  "And he said 'Hell, no, I didn't see him.  When I heard that shooting, I fell down into the floorboard of my truck and I stayed there'."

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #221 on: May 26, 2018, 12:07:10 AM »
Benevides did say this on 11/22/63. That is why he never participated in one of the lineups. 

Only after months of seeing LHO on t.v. and in the newspapers did he change to "LHO resembled the man he saw shoot JDT." As I asked in my series, how many other men would have resembled the shooter had he viewed their photographs?

Michael Paine....Larry Crafard....Donald Wayne House....Billy Lovelady....William Seymour....

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #222 on: May 26, 2018, 01:44:33 PM »
Leavelle:  "I think he said he never saw the man actually. I believe he said later on he did not see the man."

Callaway:  "And he said 'Hell, no, I didn't see him.  When I heard that shooting, I fell down into the floorboard of my truck and I stayed there'."

There are a couple of different statements by various people.....So who to believe?

Leavelle:  "I think he said he never saw the man actually. I believe he said later on he did not see the man."

IMO Leavelle is lying.....   

Callaway:  "And he said 'Hell, no, I didn't see him.  When I heard that shooting, I fell down into the floorboard of my truck and I stayed there'."

I believe Teddy Callaway is on record as saying to Dom Benavides....  Dom, You saw the guy.  Which way did he go?  C'mon  man....Let's go see if we can find him."

I've seen video of Benavides in casual conversation with talking about what he witnessed that day......And he refers to the killer as "this other man" as opposed to JD Tippit...   

IOW , This Other Man" who Benavides did not recognize was the killer.   At the time Benavides said that, it was commonly accepted that Lee Oswald had been the killer and Benavides knew that.   He had seen Lee Oswald's photo dozens of times, and yet he referred to the killer as "this other guy".   

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #223 on: May 26, 2018, 02:01:16 PM »
Helen Markham stated Oswald approached Tippit from the west, while another witness and the commission claimed he came from the east.

She said she saw Oswald lean into an open window of the car; two witnesses and a photograph confirm that all windows were closed.

She stated that Tippit tried to speak to her; all other witnesses, the commission, and the coroner found that he died instantly.

She stated that she was alone with Tippit for twenty minutes; all other witnesses state that a large crowd gathered immediately.

She stated Tippit had light grey pants on. He didn't when he was arrested.

Some witness.

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #224 on: May 26, 2018, 02:19:10 PM »
Helen Markham stated Oswald approached Tippit from the west, while another witness and the commission claimed he came from the east.

She said she saw Oswald lean into an open window of the car; two witnesses and a photograph confirm that all windows were closed.

She stated that Tippit tried to speak to her; all other witnesses, the commission, and the coroner found that he died instantly.

She stated that she was alone with Tippit for twenty minutes; all other witnesses state that a large crowd gathered immediately.

She stated Tippit had light grey pants on. He didn't when he was arrested.

Some witness.

Why defame the witness?

Helen Markham saw J.D. Tippit tailing a man who was approaching from the west ( traveling east)

She said she saw Oswald lean into an open window of the car; two witnesses and a photograph confirm that all windows were closed.

But the wing window was open.......so Markham could easily have seen the man talking to Tippit through the vent window.

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #225 on: May 26, 2018, 04:45:22 PM »
Why defame the witness?

Helen Markham saw J.D. Tippit tailing a man who was approaching from the west ( traveling east)
"Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes; I seen this man on the opposite side, across the street from me. He was almost across Patton Street.
Mr. BALL. Almost across Patton?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Walking in what direction?
Mrs. MARKHAM. I guess this would be south."
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She said she saw Oswald lean into an open window of the car; two witnesses and a photograph confirm that all windows were closed.

But the wing window was open.......so Markham could easily have seen the man talking to Tippit through the vent window.

Sorry,Walt. she said the window was down

"Mr. BALL. He put his arms on the window ledge?
Mrs. MARKHAM. The window was down. "
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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #226 on: May 26, 2018, 08:49:45 PM »
"Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes; I seen this man on the opposite side, across the street from me. He was almost across Patton Street.
Mr. BALL. Almost across Patton?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Walking in what direction?
Mrs. MARKHAM. I guess this would be south."
Sorry,Walt. she said the window was down

"Mr. BALL. He put his arms on the window ledge?
Mrs. MARKHAM. The window was down. "

How would Helen Markham have known whether the passenger side window was up (closed) or down ( open)  ???
She was on the opposite side ( driver's side) of the car and about a quarter of a block away.

This is one of those details that should be resolved and laid to rest...... Just as the feasibility of the gun being fired from the sixth floor window should be resolved and laid to rest....

If we can't come to grips and establish facts...Then we just as well close the case just as LBJ's Special Select Cover Up Committee did five decades ago.....

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #227 on: May 27, 2018, 01:06:29 PM »
Exactly the same with reference to NOV 22.

That was five months later. Then please explain how that statement aligns with the statement below and Leavelle stating (NOV 22) that Benavides didn't see the suspect.

Mr. BELIN - Let me ask you now, I would like to have you relate again the action of the man with the gun as you saw him now.
Mr. BENAVIDES - As I saw him, I really---I mean really got a good view of the man after the bullets were fired, he had just tuned. He was just turning away. [...]

 please explain how that statement aligns with the statement below and Leavelle stating (NOV 22) that Benavides didn't see the suspect.

A few years after the coup, Benavides told a reporter that He clearly saw the killer and Benavides referred the the killer as ....  "This other man"....  He Did NOT identify this "other man" as Lee Oswald.   

Benavides DID know that Lee Oswald was NOT the killer.....And he told the police that he could not identify Lee as the killer.... in fact h was sure that Lee was NOT the killer.   Thus they did not want any affidavit or any statement from Benavides.   

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #228 on: May 27, 2018, 05:28:59 PM »
Benavides DID know that Lee Oswald was NOT the killer.....And he told the police that he could not identify Lee as the killer.... in fact h was sure that Lee was NOT the killer.   Thus they did not want any affidavit or any statement from Benavides.

What have you seen which makes you claim that Benavides was sure that Oswald was not the killer?

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #229 on: May 27, 2018, 06:06:12 PM »
What have you seen which makes you claim that Benavides was sure that Oswald was not the killer?


I could tell you...but...You'll have to extract your head first.

 

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