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Online John Iacoletti

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #180 on: May 24, 2018, 09:20:12 PM »
Do you believe those shells were found near Tippit's patrol car?

I don't know where they were found and neither do you.

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #181 on: May 24, 2018, 09:26:47 PM »
Paul Stombaugh.

That's not evidence, that's a person's name.  But I'll play.  Cite Stombaugh ever giving an opinion on the jacket fibers.

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Straw man.

What good is it to even claim that the fibers were "identical" if they can't be shown to be from any specific shirt?

Online John Iacoletti

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #182 on: May 24, 2018, 09:31:00 PM »



Fact check: Helen Markham positively identified Lee Harvey Oswald.
Fact check: William Scoggins positively identified Lee Harvey Oswald.
Fact check: Ted Callaway positively identified Lee Harvey Oswald.
Fact check: Virginia Davis positively identified Lee Harvey Oswald.
Fact check: Barbara Davis positively identified Lee Harvey Oswald.
Fact check: Sam Guinyard positively identified Lee Harvey Oswald.

Unfair and biased lineups are unreliable.

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All these eyewitnesses picked out Lee Harvey Oswald in a lineup and as you pointed out the chances of this happening randomly is 1 in 4096,

Who ever claimed that they picked somebody randomly?

Online John Iacoletti

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #183 on: May 24, 2018, 09:38:38 PM »
Somebody nudge the Richard Smith turntable stylus again.

Poor old Lee just couldn't catch a break that day.  First, he works in the very building from which shots are fired at the president.

So did dozens of other people.

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  And has no alibi.

So did at least 5 other people in the TSBD alone.

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  Then when he knocks off early for a movie,

All of the employees knocked off early.

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he passes the scene of police murder

Says you.

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And Oswald looks so much like the killer that multiple witnesses ID him as the killer.

Good trick since only one person saw anybody kill anybody.

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  And he is carrying a pistol just like the killer.

Says you.

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  And he has the same two brands of ammo just like the killer.held

You don't know what brands of ammo the killer had.  And you probably just believe that the cops held Oswald in a cell for hours before remembering to check his pockets.

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  And he acts so suspiciously that he draws the attention of shoe salesman.

If that's not probable cause to search, beat up and arrest a man for double murder, I don't know what is. 

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  And then he sneaks into the movies without buying a ticket

Nobody saw him sneak into the movies without buying a ticket.

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and for some unknown reason cause a ruckus when approached by the police.

uh, I believe it was the police who caused a ruckus.

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Everyone else is to blame for all of this.  Random citizens are apparently out to frame him for the crime.  Lunacy.

When are you going to get around to actually showing that Oswald killed somebody?  Ever?

Online John Iacoletti

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #184 on: May 24, 2018, 09:40:47 PM »
LOL.  That is the best course of action when you have no substantive response.  Like a guilty man taking the 5th.  There is not a single assumption made.  All are documented facts.

Horse hockey.  All you do is make assumptions and call them facts, or outright lie about the evidence.  You wouldn't know a fact about this case if it smacked you in the azz.

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #185 on: May 24, 2018, 09:57:12 PM »
On the afternoon of the shooting, Benavides told the police that he wouldn't be able to identify the killer.  Therefore, he certainly is NOT a prime witness.

I have to agree there.  The prime witness was a woman who didn't recognize anyone in the lineup, talked to the dead, couldn't figure out how clocks and bus schedules worked, thought she was alone at the scene for 20 minutes screaming for help, thought the killer was "short, a little on the heavy side" with "somewhat bushy" hair, thought her own voice on a recorded telephone conversation was somebody else, thought she tried to use the police radio to call for help but yet didn't notice Benavides (who did try to use the police radio) as having been there at all, who fainted 3 or 4 times, and who had to be given a sedative before the lineup.

But by all means, let's rely on her observational skills.

Offline Howard Gee

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #186 on: May 24, 2018, 10:00:52 PM »
For once, I think the kooks have a legit beef about the lineups being tainted by Saint Oswald's bruised mug.

That said, Kudos to the officer that landed the punch that caved in Saint Ozzie's face.

Saint Oz was very lucky to survive his arrest.

Big round of applause for Johnny Brewer too !

Take a bow, Mr Brewer. Great work.

SAINT OZ: "I AM NOT RESISTING ARREST"

JOHNNY BREWER: "YEAH, YOU ARE"

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #187 on: May 24, 2018, 11:29:54 PM »
I have to agree there.  The prime witness was a woman who didn't recognize anyone in the lineup, talked to the dead, couldn't figure out how clocks and bus schedules worked, thought she was alone at the scene for 20 minutes screaming for help, thought the killer was "short, a little on the heavy side" with "somewhat bushy" hair, thought her own voice on a recorded telephone conversation was somebody else, thought she tried to use the police radio to call for help but yet didn't notice Benavides (who did try to use the police radio) as having been there at all, who fainted 3 or 4 times, and who had to be given a sedative before the lineup.

But by all means, let's rely on her observational skills.





Like a broken record you keep repeating the same regurgitated nonsense, but unfortunately it doesn't make it true.

1. Markham testified that the killer was man number 2, Lee Harvey Oswald.
2. Another eyewitness describes Tippit trying to speak, which was most likely agonal gasps.
3. Can you timestamp Markham's clock or will you continue to guess?
4. Can you prove that Markham didn't use the Police Radio or is this just another guess?
5. Markham was distressed because she just saw a man murdered and only shows she's human.



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Offline Bill Brown

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #188 on: May 24, 2018, 11:43:15 PM »
Strawman.  Clemons never said she saw a killer.  Benavides and Scoggins didn't even see anybody kill anybody.

Benavides and Scoggins were right there, on the street.  They both said there was only one man.  Same with Markham.

Why not answer the question?  How could Markham, Scoggins and Benavides not notice the mysterious 2nd man?  Perhaps I should ask this another way.  Do you believe Tippit encountered one man or two?

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #189 on: May 24, 2018, 11:48:01 PM »
I don't know where they were found and neither do you.

I asked a simple question.  Do you believe the shells were found near Tippit's patrol car?

Domingo Benavides, Barbara Davis and Virginia Davis all testified that they found the shells near the corner of Tenth and Patton (where each of them saw the killer fleeing, by the way).  Tippit's patrol car was parked about a hundred feet east of that corner.

If we go by the testimony, then we do know where the shells were found.

Now cue the lame and unsupported argument that the shells in evidence aren't the same shells actually found by the witnesses.

 

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