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Online Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #630 on: June 17, 2018, 03:18:00 AM »
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I'm not really trying trying pick a fight. All I did was ask you a question. You answered it, and gave away maybe more than you intended.

Now you've run out of arguments, and decided compensate by copping some bullxxxx condescension act.

What it comes down to is, you don't really know what the "official" (for lack of a better term) standard would be for weighing chain of evidence issues. That's actually OK. Like I said, I don't know what they are, either. You also don't have any real standard of your own for weighing CoE, either, beyond "I'll know it when I see it." In a way, this is also OK. You can believe what you want to. Just don't expect others to hop to beat of your own presumption.

I'm not really trying trying pick a fight. All I did was ask you a question. You answered it, and gave away maybe more than you intended.


Only in your delusion mind

What it comes down to is, you don't really know what the "official" (for lack of a better term) standard would be for weighing chain of evidence issues. 

Stop acting stupid… there isn't a official standard. It doesn´t exist! The bar is beyond a reasonable doubt and that is different for each individual.

Just don't expect others to hop to beat of your own presumption.

There never was a presumption on my part, but I'll let you get on to hop to beat of Tim's beat.
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« Reply #631 on: June 17, 2018, 04:38:09 AM »
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Since I began debating with you on the issue four or five years ago.

So you do claim to be an expert on the matter.... that's a bold and interesting claim. Can you back it up with something?


Merely asking for a sound and conclusive chain of custody for a piece of evidence is one thing. Assuming that an imperfect chain of custody will automatically preclude an item from being admitted as evidence is another thing entirely.

I agree, but the trouble for you is that I never claimed anything of the kind. You are the one who keeps on assuming that items being  admitted into evidence actually has some sort of significant meaning. The fact is that just about every day things are being entered into evidence at courts around the country that actually are proof of very little.

Evidence gets entered into court for the purpose of being weighed and examined by the lawyers on both sides and ultimately the jury. What you seem to fail to understand is that sometimes defense lawyers do not oppose a piece of bad or questionable evidence being admitted because it ultimately helps their case.

So, perhaps you should focus less on your obsession about something being entered into evidence at court meaning something it really doesn`t and pay some more time at determining whether a piece of evidence will hold up under scrutiny.

Evidence is not admitted into court without first being authenticated. Establishing a chain of custody is one means of authenticating evidence. Once it has been admitted into court as real evidence, there's very little that a defense team can do about it. Particularly if it's a non-fungible item. If the defense has something concrete to present to the jury once the evidence has been admitted then fine. However, they will not be allowed free reign to spout unsupported claims against the evidence. Not in any properly run court anyway.

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #632 on: June 17, 2018, 04:39:58 AM »
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wasn't it reported on Tippits police radio by bystanders within 2-3 minutes?


Edit - 4 minutes maybe?



Bowley used Tippit's radio to contact dispatch at about 1:17 pm. So no, not 4 minutes.

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #633 on: June 17, 2018, 04:55:38 AM »
Tippit pronounced dead at 1:25pm by Dr. Richard A. Liguori.[7]
-Myers, Dale K. (1998). With Malice: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Murder of Officer J.D. Tippit. Milford, Mich.: Oak Cliff Press. ISBN 0-9662709-7-5.

At approximately 1:11–1:14 p.m.,[17] Tippit was driving slowly eastward on East 10th Street — about 100 feet (30 m) past the intersection of 10th Street and Patton Avenue — when he pulled alongside a man who resembled the police description.[21][22] Oswald walked over to Tippit's car and apparently exchanged words with him through an open vent window.[23] Tippit opened his car door and as he walked toward the front of the car, Oswald drew his handgun and fired four shots in rapid succession. One bullet hit Tippit in the chest, one in the stomach, another in his right temple (one bullet hit a button and did not penetrate his skin). Tippit's body was transported from the scene of the shooting by ambulance to Methodist Hospital, where he was pronounced dead at 1:25 p.m. by Dr. Richard A. Liguori.[7]
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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #634 on: June 17, 2018, 05:10:39 AM »
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Tippit pronounced dead at 1:25pm

At approximately 1:11–1:14 p.m.,[17] Tippit was driving slowly eastward on East 10th Street — about 100 feet (30 m) past the intersection of 10th Street and Patton Avenue — when he pulled alongside a man who resembled the police description.[21][22] Oswald walked over to Tippit's car and apparently exchanged words with him through an open vent window.[23] Tippit opened his car door and as he walked toward the front of the car, Oswald drew his handgun and fired four shots in rapid succession. One bullet hit Tippit in the chest, one in the stomach, another in his right temple (one bullet hit a button and did not penetrate his skin). Tippit's body was transported from the scene of the shooting by ambulance to Methodist Hospital, where he was pronounced dead at 1:25 p.m. by Dr. Richard A. Liguori.[7]

There are two documents that I'm aware of that record the time that Tippit was pronounced DOA as 1:25 pm. They were both authored by FBI agent Robert Lish.





The homicide report made out by C. E. Talbert has Tippit as being pronounced DOA at 1:30 pm.


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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #635 on: June 17, 2018, 05:14:35 AM »
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Evidence is not admitted into court without first being authenticated. Establishing a chain of custody is one means of authenticating evidence. Once it has been admitted into court as real evidence, there's very little that a defense team can do about it. Particularly if it's a non-fungible item. If the defense has something concrete to present to the jury once the evidence has been admitted then fine. However, they will not be allowed free reign to spout unsupported claims against the evidence. Not in any properly run court anyway.

Evidence is not admitted into court without first being authenticated.

No... this comment alone shows that you have no idea how the admittance of evidence works..

Establishing a chain of custody is one means of authenticating evidence. Once it has been admitted into court as real evidence, there's very little that a defense team can do about it. 

More BS... in OJ´s trail the gloves were admitted as evidence and we all know how that worked out

If the defense has something concrete to present to the jury once the evidence has been admitted then fine. However, they will not be allowed free reign to spout unsupported claims against the evidence. Not in any properly run court anyway.

Really, so now you want to limit the discretion of the judge.... good luck with that.
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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #636 on: June 17, 2018, 05:44:31 AM »
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There are two documents that I'm aware of that record the time that Tippit was pronounced DOA as 1:25 pm. They were both authored by FBI agent Robert Lish.

Thanks. Now, I just can't wait for Iacoletti to pop up and exclaim 'How does that prove that Oswald shot Tippit'

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« Reply #637 on: June 17, 2018, 05:45:29 AM »
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There are two documents that I'm aware of that record the time that Tippit was pronounced DOA as 1:25 pm. They were both authored by FBI agent Robert Lish.





The homicide report made out by C. E. Talbert has Tippit as being pronounced DOA at 1:30 pm.



Each to their own Tim.

For mine I am more than happy that timing from Herbert Blenners actual Dictaphone recording, available since day one 1963( ie putting it and your internet clock up at the same time on your screen and timing each instance and the overall sequence in light of all the other claimed times) proves that all such documented police and ambulance claims are proved wrong and therefore proved as dileberately falsified.

I remember doing that fully last time I was here at this forum and it irrevocably proves that.

Each to their own. :)

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #638 on: June 17, 2018, 05:56:12 AM »
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Evidence is not admitted into court without first being authenticated.

No... this comment alone shows that you have no idea how the admittance of evidence works..

"Real evidence must be relevant, material, and authentic before a judge will permit its use in a trial."
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Establishing a chain of custody is one means of authenticating evidence. Once it has been admitted into court as real evidence, there's very little that a defense team can do about it. 

More BS... in OJ´s trail the gloves were admitted as evidence and we all know how that worked out

The OJ trial? Wow Martin. Your desperation slip is showing.


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« Reply #639 on: June 17, 2018, 05:58:50 AM »
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Each to their own Tim.

For mine I am more than happy that timing from Herbert Blenners actual Dictaphone recording, available since day one 1963( ie putting it and your internet clock up at the same time on your screen and timing each instance and the overall sequence in light of all the other claimed times) proves that all such documented police and ambulance claims are proved wrong and therefore proved as dileberately falsified.

I remember doing that fully last time I was here at this forum and it irrevocably proves that.

Each to their own. :)

Herbert Blenners actual Dictaphone recording? What are you talking about?

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« Reply #639 on: June 17, 2018, 05:58:50 AM »