Lee Oswald The Cop Killer

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Online John Iacoletti

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #40 on: May 11, 2018, 10:01:18 PM »
OK, so you claim to have at least two good shells (Davis).

There were four shells marked Q-74, Q-75, Q-76, Q77.

Can we have the numbers of the Davis shells, please?

Don't expect a straight answer from Brown.  Q-75 was either a Benavides shell or a Davis shell, depending on who you ask.  So much for a clear and perfectly intact chain of custody.

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
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Online John Iacoletti

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« Reply #41 on: May 11, 2018, 10:02:58 PM »

No.  It could easily be argued that each of the Davis girls and Scoggins got better looks at the killer than did Benavides.

Barbara Davis:  Picked Oswald out of a lineup.

Virginia Davis:  Picked Oswald out of a lineup.

William Scoggins:  Picked Oswald out of a lineup.

Domingo Benavides:  Decided that he did not get a good enough look at the killer to attend a lineup.


Duh.


Unfair and biased lineups are an unreliable way of determining what is true.

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« Reply #41 on: May 11, 2018, 10:02:58 PM »

Online John Iacoletti

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« Reply #42 on: May 11, 2018, 10:04:19 PM »
So two young women couldn't positively state that the shells in evidence were the same shells they found.  Boy, you sure got a blockbuster there.

This does not negate the fact that the two shells in evidence are the two shells the girls found.

...and your evidence for this "fact" would be?

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Online John Iacoletti

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #43 on: May 11, 2018, 10:17:58 PM »
Why not cite for cite supporting evidence for your claims?

Because in Bill's mind, all he has to do is call something a "fact" and it becomes one.

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« Reply #43 on: May 11, 2018, 10:17:58 PM »

Offline Matt Grantham

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #44 on: May 12, 2018, 01:24:41 AM »
 I have to admit, there are more witnesses identifying Oswald as Tippit's killer than I realized I know there are holes in a lot of the stories, but if there was Oswald 2 maybe that is the most rational answer. If the story of the two Oswald's is true then the intelligence agencies had made a might effort to create such a scenario and they would have wanted to use him for something significant

 The problem for the LN is that the evidence is substantial Oswald is at the theater at the time of  the shooting
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Offline Tim Nickerson

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« Reply #45 on: May 12, 2018, 04:14:31 AM »

 The problem for the LN is that the evidence is substantial Oswald is at the theater at the time of  the shooting

What evidence would that be?

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« Reply #45 on: May 12, 2018, 04:14:31 AM »

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #46 on: May 12, 2018, 04:25:09 AM »
I have to admit, there are more witnesses identifying Oswald as Tippit's killer than I realized I know there are holes in a lot of the stories, but if there was Oswald 2 maybe that is the most rational answer. If the story of the two Oswald's is true then the intelligence agencies had made a might effort to create such a scenario and they would have wanted to use him for something significant

 The problem for the LN is that the evidence is substantial Oswald is at the theater at the time of  the shooting

Can you cite this 'evidence'

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Offline Paul May

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #47 on: May 12, 2018, 05:42:36 AM »
I read the crap by conspiracy types, mindful it?s now 55 years after the event and what stands out is, their arguments HAVE NOT CHANGED in 55 years. That?s remarkable. They still choose (it?s still a choice) to live in a world where suspicion becomes fact, lack of facts becomes evidence of a conspiratorial cover up and actual proof to the contrary is dismissed as disinformation. It begs the question have these lunatics done even a cursory investigation of the facts?  The answer to that is yes, they have examined the facts but in their distorted world view of how historical events happen, actual facts mean little to nothing. Their individual ideology means more than FACTS.  Frightening concept, don?t you think? Nobody should be surprised they cannot prove their personal conspiracy let alone any conspiracy. The question should no longer be did LHO shoot JFK and Tippit.  That?s proven to reasonable people. I?ve said it before, there may have been a conspiracy but it cannot be proven now or ever.  That too is a fact.

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« Reply #47 on: May 12, 2018, 05:42:36 AM »

Offline Gary Craig

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #48 on: May 12, 2018, 06:07:49 AM »
Once the confusion was settled, Markham said this...

"Number two was the man I saw shoot the policeman."

She said she didn't recognize anyone in the line up. She had to be coached/led almost word for word.

That coaching would not have been allowed in a court of law. The kangaroo WC is another story.

       "At this point counsel, a teacher of criminal law and procedure at the University of Southern California and a member of the U.S. Judicial Conference Advisory Committee on Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, asked a rather leading question. Mrs. Markham said that she recognized no one at the lineup; counsel tried five times for a more acceptable answer. Then, departing a little from the legal procedure he teaches, he next asked his friendly but disconcerting witness, "Was there a number two man in there?" Mrs. Markham replied, "Number two is the one I picked." Counsel began another question: "I thought you just told me that you hadn't, but Mrs. Markham interrupted to answer inexplicably, "I thought you wanted me to describe their clothing."

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« Reply #48 on: May 12, 2018, 06:07:49 AM »

Offline Gary Craig

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #49 on: May 12, 2018, 06:12:22 AM »

No.  It could easily be argued that each of the Davis girls and Scoggins got better looks at the killer than did Benavides.

Barbara Davis:  Picked Oswald out of a lineup.

Virginia Davis:  Picked Oswald out of a lineup.

William Scoggins:  Picked Oswald out of a lineup.

Domingo Benavides:  Decided that he did not get a good enough look at the killer to attend a lineup.


Duh.


"Domingo Benavides:  Decided that he did not get a good enough look at the killer to attend a lineup."

Some how I don't really think that's the reason he missed the Ozzie line ups.

LOL

Mr. Belin: Let me ask you now, I would like you to relate again the action of the man with the gun as you saw him now.

Mr. Benavides: As I saw him, I really--I mean really got a good view of the man after the bullets were fired he had just turned. He was just turning away........

 

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