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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #280 on: June 03, 2018, 01:48:53 AM »
It is not a false claim. Both Helen Markham and William Scoggins witnessed the killing and they both positively identified Oswald as the killer.

Scoggins did not see Tippit being shot.

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #281 on: June 03, 2018, 01:59:01 AM »
It is not a false claim. Both Helen Markham and William Scoggins witnessed the killing and they both positively identified Oswald as the killer.



Yep, and both agreed that the jacketed Oswald while fiddling with his weapon described him as moving towards Patton, a fact verified by the Davis sisters and then just down Patton the jacketed Oswald who was still brandishing his gun was identified by Callaway and Guinyard, all these eyewitnesses are equally important because they all corroborate the exact same narrative.





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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #282 on: June 03, 2018, 02:03:00 AM »
Scoggins did not see Tippit being shot.




Mr. BELIN. How many shots did you hear?
Mr. SCOGGINS. Three or four, in the neighborhood. They was fast.
Mr. BELIN. They were fast shots?
Mr. SCOGGINS. Yes; they were fast.
Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do or say or hear?
Mr. SCOGGINS. Then I saw the man falling, grab his stomach and fall.




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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #283 on: June 03, 2018, 02:05:03 AM »
Yep, and both agreed that the jacketed Oswald while fiddling with his weapon described him as moving towards Patton, a fact verified by the Davis sisters and then just down Patton the jacketed Oswald who was still brandishing his gun was identified by Callaway and Guinyard, all these eyewitnesses are equally important because they all corroborate the exact same narrative.

...a narrative which doesn't not involve seeing anybody getting shot.  And an "exact same narrative" that can't even agree what side of the street the man was on.

And you all keep forgetting the part about the unfair and biased lineups and a single photo months later.

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« Reply #284 on: June 03, 2018, 02:10:02 AM »
...a narrative which doesn't not involve seeing anybody getting shot.  And an "exact same narrative" that can't even agree what side of the street the man was on.

And you all keep forgetting the part about the unfair and biased lineups and a single photo months later.



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...a narrative which doesn't not involve seeing anybody getting shot.

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Mr. BALL. What about number two, what did you mean when you said number two?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Number two was the man I saw shoot the policeman.


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and a single photo months later.

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Representative FORD. In other words, they showed you pictures of how many people altogether, how many different people, your best estimate?
Mr. SCOGGINS. I would say 4 or 5.
Representative FORD. And you narrowed the number of 4 or 5 down to 2?
Mr. SCOGGINS. Down to two; yes.


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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #285 on: June 03, 2018, 02:10:33 AM »
Mr. BELIN. How many shots did you hear?
Mr. SCOGGINS. Three or four, in the neighborhood. They was fast.
Mr. BELIN. They were fast shots?
Mr. SCOGGINS. Yes; they were fast.
Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do or say or hear?
Mr. SCOGGINS. Then I saw the man falling, grab his stomach and fall.[/b]

Like I said, Scoggins didn't see Tippit being shot.  He was eating his lunch and didn't look up until the shooting was over.  Then he hid behind his cab and only saw someone going south on Patton.  In other words, facing away from him.


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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #286 on: June 03, 2018, 02:13:19 AM »
Like I said, Scoggins didn't see Tippit being shot.  He was eating his lunch and didn't look up until the shooting was over.  Then he hid behind his cab and only saw someone going south on Patton.  In other words, facing away from him.



Scoggins saw Oswald with a gun coming from where he saw the policeman fall to the ground.



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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #287 on: June 03, 2018, 02:17:09 AM »
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Mr. BALL. What about number two, what did you mean when you said number two?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Number two was the man I saw shoot the policeman.


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Mr. BALL. Did you recognize anyone in the lineup?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. You did not? Did you see anybody--I have asked you that question before did you recognize anybody from their face?
Mrs. MARKHAM. From their face, no.
Mr. BALL. Did you identify anybody in these four people?
Mrs. MARKHAM. I didn't know nobody.
Mr. BALL. I know you didn't know anybody, but did anybody in that lineup look like anybody you had seen before?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No. I had never seen none of them, none of these men.
Mr. BALL. No one of the four?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No one of them.
Mr. BALL. No one of all four?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Was there a number two man in there?

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Representative FORD. In other words, they showed you pictures of how many people altogether, how many different people, your best estimate?
Mr. SCOGGINS. I would say 4 or 5.
Representative FORD. And you narrowed the number of 4 or 5 down to 2?
Mr. SCOGGINS. Down to two; yes.


Try again!

You try again!



Besides, I was talking about the people who were only shown a New Orleans mugshot of Oswald months later (Patterson, Russell, Brock) long after the narrative was firmly planted in the media.  But anything to railroad a guy.

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #288 on: June 03, 2018, 02:47:25 AM »
Scoggins did not see Tippit being shot.

A nice bit of sophistry on your part.  Why stop there? You could just as easily say that Markham never saw Tippit being shot because she never saw the bullets as they passed through the air between the revolver and Tippit's chest.

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #289 on: June 03, 2018, 03:39:32 AM »
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 You mean raaawk?
You will not escape the mantra of the parrots.


raaawk.. Oswald did it ..raaawk.. Oswald

Seriously hopeless.

 

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