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Online Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #1240 on: May 09, 2019, 10:55:38 PM »
Ain't it just remarkable how the LNs can't produce a plausible scenario for the combined timelines of Markham and Bowley to work, for the shooting of Tippit 1.14 or 1.15 pm

Instead they just ignore it and claim Oswald must have been there at or before 1.10 - even if, by their own narrative, he couldn't have gotten there by that time on foot.

No response also to the unexplained 10 minute gap in Scoggins' timeline.

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« Reply #1241 on: May 10, 2019, 12:34:18 AM »
Ain't it just remarkable how the LNs can't produce a plausible scenario for the combined timelines of Markham and Bowley to work, for the shooting of Tippit 1.14 or 1.15 pm

Instead they just ignore it and claim Oswald must have been there at or before 1.10 - even if, by their own narrative, he couldn't have gotten there by that time on foot.

No response also to the unexplained 10 minute gap in Scoggins' timeline.

So.......

Bowley's watch was 100% correct.

Markham's estimate of what time it was when she left her residence was 100% spot on.

The clock on the wall at Methodist was 100% perfect.

....... and the Dallas police tapes were tampered with.

Do I have it right?

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Online Jerry Freeman

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« Reply #1242 on: May 10, 2019, 09:10:29 PM »
 
....... and the Dallas police tapes were tampered with. Do I have it right?
Oh maybe..how about the depressed microphone for several minutes just right when the motorcade was passing through Dealey Plaza and then headed to the hospital. One of the umptyfive hundred coincidences just in the space of an half hour   
 

Online Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #1243 on: May 10, 2019, 11:24:27 PM »
Oh maybe..how about the depressed microphone for several minutes just right when the motorcade was passing through Dealey Plaza and then headed to the hospital. One of the umptyfive hundred coincidences just in the space of an half hour   
 

The biggest problem for the believers in a 1.14 / 1.15 shooting of Tippit are the combined timelines of Markham and Bowley. Their "estimates" don't have to be "spot on". There are two anchors which IMO make it nearly impossible to challenge these timelines, even when you give or take a minute or so.

First of all, we know that Markham arrived at the scene, at least two or three minutes (my estimate), prior to Bowley. Markham saw the shooting taking place and Bowley arrived shortly after it happened.

Secondly, we know that Bowley said he picked up his daughter from school at "about 12.55" and school bells tend to ring on time.

So, if you want to push back Markham's time, you also have to push back Bowley's timeline with the same amount of time, otherwise there is no way that Bowley could have arrived after Markham saw the shooting.

Markham said she left home at "a little after one" and that it could have been as late as 1.06 or 1.07. The walking distance from 9th street to 10th/Patton is one block which takes about 2 minutes, which would have her arrive at 10th/Patton at the latest at 1.09.

The route Bowley described from the school to 10th/Patton takes an estimated 13 minutes, so if he picked up his daughter at "about 12.55" and allow a bit more time for traffic, he could and would have arrived at 10th/Patton at roughly 1.10.

Inbetween those to arrival times Tippit must have been shot.

So, what happens if you try to push back Markham's arrival time to (let's say) 1.14? It would mean that Bowley's timeline would have to be pushed back by 5 minutes also, but how does that work when you know he picked up his daughter from school at 12.55? Five minutes late would have left his daughter waiting for him for 5 minutes after school was out.... so, what's the reasoning there? Bowley got to the school 5 minutes late and somehow didn't notice it?

And what about Markham, where was she during those extra 5 minutes? Did she perhaps go for coffee halfway down the 2 minute walk it would have taken to get her from 9th to 10th street?

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« Reply #1244 on: May 12, 2019, 07:46:03 AM »
Markham said she left home at "a little after one" and that it could have been as late as 1.06 or 1.07. The walking distance from 9th street to 10th/Patton is one block which takes about 2 minutes, which would have her arrive at 10th/Patton at the latest at 1.09.

The route Bowley described from the school to 10th/Patton takes an estimated 13 minutes, so if he picked up his daughter at "about 12.55" and allow a bit more time for traffic, he could and would have arrived at 10th/Patton at roughly 1.10.

Inbetween those to arrival times Tippit must have been shot.

Okay.  So Oswald killed Tippit just before 1:10 p.m.

Now what?

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« Reply #1245 on: May 14, 2019, 04:53:43 AM »
Yeaaaaahh...NO. Sorry. Tippit had 4 bullets in him, three from a revolver and one from a semi-automatic. He was killed by two men. One resembled Oswald but no one could pick him out of the lineup. There were numerous people who resembled Oswald who were used to impersonate him. Oswald was wearing the same clothes he had on at work. He never grabbed a jacket from his boarding house. The man resembling Oswald who shot Tippit fled to the Abundant Life Temple and dropped the jacket along the way, which was not one of the two that Oswald was ever seen wearing. He left his jacket at the TSBD where it was later brought to police attention by Kaiser (dont remember the first name). The parking lot the jacket was found in backed up to the temple. This subject was later picked up by Layton Martens, Niles "Lefty" Peterson and a female (Moffit) who drove him to Galveston where they met David Ferrie. This is not speculation, this is in the documents. The second man was short, heavy set and had black wavy hair.

Oswald was already at the Texas Theater where he entered between 1:00 and 1:06. Tippit was killed at 1:15. Everything you have heard about the Texas Theater is bull. Oswald bought a ticket, sat down but kept moving around as though looking for someone. He then returns to the lobby and buys popcorn. He eventually sits directly next to a pregnant woman and briefly speaks with her. Then both get up and move. The pregnant woman is assumed to have left and Oswald sits in the seat he is arrested in. A second subject is arrested in the balcony of the theater and brought out the back door. ALL of this info is in the FOIA documents which should be the only source you use for any information.

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #1246 on: May 14, 2019, 07:34:46 PM »
Okay.  So Oswald someone killed Tippit just before 1:10 p.m. Now what?
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« Reply #1247 on: May 23, 2019, 11:45:34 AM »
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Indeed... Tippit being killed prior to 1:10 pm goes directly to opportunity. Oswald may have had motive and means but perhaps not the opportunity.

So, what about the witnesses who identified Oswald in a line up? I believe Bugss once said; "There's nothing more persuasive to a jury than eyewitness testimony and nothing more unreliable."

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« Reply #1248 on: May 23, 2019, 06:37:43 PM »
Indeed... Tippit being killed prior to 1:10 pm goes directly to opportunity. Oswald may have had motive and means but perhaps not the opportunity.
Martin..what motive would Oswald have had to kill a cop if he wasn't there?
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So, what about the witnesses who identified Oswald in a line up? I believe Bugs [Bugliosi] once said; "There's nothing more persuasive to a jury than eyewitness testimony and nothing more unreliable."
Unless it was HIS witness. Then they were impeccable.
 

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« Reply #1249 on: May 23, 2019, 11:19:34 PM »
Martin..what motive would Oswald have had to kill a cop if he wasn't there? Unless it was HIS witness. Then they were impeccable.
 

Martin..what motive would Oswald have had to kill a cop if he wasn't there?

None, but I think you misunderstood the point I was making. In a murder investigation three things are important; motive, means and opportunity.
Since you don't know what Oswald would have been thinking you can not argue about his possible motives, if indeed he did shoot Tippit. You also can not argue that he did have no means to do the deed, when in fact a revolver he had on him could have given him the means. However, none of this matters if he didn't have the opportunity to kill Tippit, simply because IMO he couldn't have been there prior to 1:10 pm.

Unless it was HIS witness. Then they were impeccable.

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