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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2018, 05:14:05 AM »
Jack The short answer is Whitaker's superiors at the Ford Motor Company The link below provides some interesting material on how one of episodes of The Men Who Killed Kennedy, presented by the History channel was pulled after it's first airing, and how Bill Moyer's and others, insisted the episode be removed and apparently some of the footage regarding the window is no longer available to the public It always just becomes a bigger and bigger outrage

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2012/06/douglas-p-horne/photographic-evidence-of-bullet-hole-in-jfk-limousine-windshield-hiding-in-plain-sight/

Doug Horne/Lew Rockwell article — Whitaker
https://ss100x.wordpress.com/tag/whitaker/

"This story is patently ridiculous. SS100X had a stock LCC windshield. It could have been replaced anywhere, including at Love Field when it sat on the tarmac in the AF C-130 for over two hours. In addition, there is no evidence of any nature to indicate that Whitaker ever saw the limo (as he describes it so inaccurately) or that the limo had any connection to the Rouge. It then goes without saying that nothing Whitaker says about the windshield has any significance. How a reasoning person can fall for such illogical statements as these, I have no clue. But, every so often, another unsuspecting newbie comes by and gets tripped up by this disinfo. Then they tend to go around in circles huffing and puffing when asked to provide even a shred of documentation for any of Whitaker’s claims."

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Offline Matt Grantham

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2018, 03:59:03 PM »
Doug Horne/Lew Rockwell article — Whitaker
https://ss100x.wordpress.com/tag/whitaker/

"This story is patently ridiculous. SS100X had a stock LCC windshield. It could have been replaced anywhere, including at Love Field when it sat on the tarmac in the AF C-130 for over two hours. In addition, there is no evidence of any nature to indicate that Whitaker ever saw the limo (as he describes it so inaccurately) or that the limo had any connection to the Rouge. It then goes without saying that nothing Whitaker says about the windshield has any significance. How a reasoning person can fall for such illogical statements as these, I have no clue. But, every so often, another unsuspecting newbie comes by and gets tripped up by this disinfo. Then they tend to go around in circles huffing and puffing when asked to provide even a shred of documentation for any of Whitaker’s claims."

 Whittakers an afterthought We already have reliable witnesses who saw a through and through hole There is no chain of custody on the window, know verifiable report on the windshield early on in the investigation, and the cracking looks much different in the later photographs from the interior looking out Even with the through and through hole there is enough damage to call into question whether you are running out of fragments to explain the damage that is shown in the original photographs

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2018, 12:45:23 AM »
Whittakers an afterthought We already have reliable witnesses who saw a through and through hole There is no chain of custody on the window, know verifiable report on the windshield early on in the investigation, and the cracking looks much different in the later photographs from the interior looking out Even with the through and through hole there is enough damage to call into question whether you are running out of fragments to explain the damage that is shown in the original photographs

What do you mean by "no chain of custody on the window"?

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know verifiable report on the windshield early on in the investigation

From FBI Agent Robert Frazier:




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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2018, 12:50:31 AM »
What do you mean by "no chain of custody on the window"?

From FBI Agent Robert Frazier:



 I asked the chain of custody question earlier, so I should have stated no chain of custody that anyone here has so far provided. I should have stated that differently

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2018, 12:55:03 AM »
I asked the chain of custody question earlier, so I should have stated no chain of custody that anyone here has so far provided. I should have stated that differently

It still not clear what you mean by chain of custody though. What would constitute as a chain of custody. Is there a timeframe that you have in mind? And what would be the purpose of said chain of custody of the windshield?

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« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2018, 01:07:22 AM »
It still not clear what you mean by chain of custody though. What would constitute as a chain of custody. Is there a timeframe that you have in mind? And what would be the purpose of said chain of custody of the windshield?

 Same importance as it had for other evidence such as CE 399

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2018, 01:10:08 AM »
Same importance as it had for other evidence such as CE 399

Which was what exactly?

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« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2018, 01:17:43 AM »
Which was what exactly?

 Who was responsible for the possession and integrity of evidence

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #28 on: May 06, 2018, 01:27:14 AM »
Who was responsible for the possession and integrity of evidence

That doesn't answer my question. What exactly was the importance of maintaining an intact chain of custody of the windshield? I believe that I've shown you before a chain of custody of CE-399. Have I not? Would you like to see it again? I don't know if a similarly intact one is available for the windshield or not. I'll look.

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Re: Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo
« Reply #29 on: May 06, 2018, 01:58:10 AM »
That doesn't answer my question. What exactly was the importance of maintaining an intact chain of custody of the windshield? I believe that I've shown you before a chain of custody of CE-399. Have I not? Would you like to see it again? I don't know if a similarly intact one is available for the windshield or not. I'll look.

Why was the windshield removed in the 1st place? Wasn't it crucial crime scene evidence that should have been left in situ? Aren't you supposed to preserve evidence instead of obliterate or tamper with it in any way? And didn't the SS and FBI know any of this before they tampered with it? Of course they did. No one would be that incompetent, unless...
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