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Online Mike Orr

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There was No Roll Call at the TSBD !
« on: April 20, 2018, 04:13:28 AM »
There was no roll call and on top of that, LHO was not the only TSBD employee who was not inside the TSBD after JFK was murdered.  1 . Jack Cason 2. Gloria Jean Holt 3. Sharon Simmons Nelson 4. Bonnie Richey 5. Carolyn Arnold 6. Mrs. Donald Baker 7. Judy Marie Johnson 8. Mrs. Stella Mae Jacob 9. Charles Givens 10. Virginia H. Brnum 11. Vida Lee Whatley 12. Warren Caster 13.Spauldin "Pud" Jones 14.Mrs. Helen Palmer 15.     7 employees did not go into work on Nov 22

Roy Truly says it was he who first notices Oswald is absent and draws that to the attention of the police .

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There was No Roll Call at the TSBD !
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Re: There was No Roll Call at the TSBD !
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2018, 05:13:03 AM »

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There was no roll call and on top of that, LHO was not the only TSBD employee who was not inside the TSBD after JFK was murdered.  1 . Jack Cason 2. Gloria Jean Holt 3. Sharon Simmons Nelson 4. Bonnie Richey 5. Carolyn Arnold 6. Mrs. Donald Baker 7. Judy Marie Johnson 8. Mrs. Stella Mae Jacob 9. Charles Givens 10. Virginia H. Brnum 11. Vida Lee Whatley 12. Warren Caster 13.Spauldin "Pud" Jones 14.Mrs. Helen Palmer 15.     7 employees did not go into work on Nov 22

Roy Truly says it was he who first notices Oswald is absent and draws that to the attention of the police .



And all these people immediately left the Dealey Plaza area, as one would expect an assassin to likely do? No.

I?m not interested in people who left the building to try to find out what happened and then decided to return inside. Nor in people who were not present in the building that day. Only in people who were present at the time of the shooting, not with others, left the building, and left the Dealey Plaza area, about as soon as possible. And only one person fits the bill.



And it?s natural for Roy Truly to first think about Oswald. Oswald was the only one he vouched for. As soon as he found out that the shots were apparently fired from within his building, it?s natural for him to think of Oswald. The worst-case scenario would be if the assassin turned out to be the one man he vouched for, causing a policeman who had drawn a gun on him to let him go. If the assassin turned out to be, let?s say Lovelady, Roy Truly would not be in nearly such hot water.

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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2018, 05:16:56 AM »
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And all these people immediately left the Dealey Plaza area, as one would expect an assassin to likely do? No.

I?m not interested in people who left the building to try to find out what happened and then decided to return inside. Nor in people who were not present in the building that day. Only in people who were present at the time of the shooting, not with others, left the building, and left the Dealey Plaza area, about as soon as possible. And only one person fits the bill.



And it?s natural for Roy Truly to first think about Oswald. Oswald was the only one he vouched for. As soon as he found out that the shots were apparently fired from within his building, it?s natural for him to think of Oswald. The worst-case scenario would be if the assassin turned out to be the one man he vouched for, causing a policeman who had drawn a gun on him to let him go. If the assassin turned out to be, let?s say Lovelady, Roy Truly would not be in nearly such hot water.

Mike should feel free to name anyone of these people as his shooter...

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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2018, 08:46:04 AM »
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And all these people immediately left the Dealey Plaza area, as one would expect an assassin to likely do? No.

I?m not interested in people who left the building to try to find out what happened and then decided to return inside. Nor in people who were not present in the building that day. Only in people who were present at the time of the shooting, not with others, left the building, and left the Dealey Plaza area, about as soon as possible. And only one person fits the bill.



And it?s natural for Roy Truly to first think about Oswald. Oswald was the only one he vouched for. As soon as he found out that the shots were apparently fired from within his building, it?s natural for him to think of Oswald. The worst-case scenario would be if the assassin turned out to be the one man he vouched for, causing a policeman who had drawn a gun on him to let him go. If the assassin turned out to be, let?s say Lovelady, Roy Truly would not be in nearly such hot water.

And it?s natural for Roy Truly to first think about Oswald. Oswald was the only one he vouched for. As soon as he found out that the shots were apparently fired from within his building, it?s natural for him to think of Oswald.

Selfserving argument!

Having seen Oswald on the 2nd floor just seconds after the shooting could just as easily have given Truly the impression that Oswald probably wasn't the 6th floor shooter.

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Re: There was No Roll Call at the TSBD !
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2018, 12:35:23 PM »
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Mike should feel free to name anyone of these people as his shooter...

Why....??     Who made the rule that the assassin had to be a TSBD employee??

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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2018, 02:29:13 PM »
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And all these people immediately left the Dealey Plaza area, as one would expect an assassin to likely do? No.

I?m not interested in people who left the building to try to find out what happened and then decided to return inside. Nor in people who were not present in the building that day. Only in people who were present at the time of the shooting, not with others, left the building, and left the Dealey Plaza area, about as soon as possible. And only one person fits the bill.



And it?s natural for Roy Truly to first think about Oswald. Oswald was the only one he vouched for. As soon as he found out that the shots were apparently fired from within his building, it?s natural for him to think of Oswald. The worst-case scenario would be if the assassin turned out to be the one man he vouched for, causing a policeman who had drawn a gun on him to let him go. If the assassin turned out to be, let?s say Lovelady, Roy Truly would not be in nearly such hot water.

it?s natural for Roy Truly to first think about Oswald. Oswald was the only one he vouched for. As soon as he found out that the shots were apparently fired from within his building, it?s natural for him to think of Oswald.

it?s natural for Roy Truly to first think about Oswald.

Roy Truly had obviously dismissed Lee as a suspect at the time he and Baker encountered Lee in the Lunchroom, because according to the official tale Roy Truly vouched for Lee and that's he reason Baker turned on his heel and left Lee holding a coke in the lunchroom.   

As soon as he found out that the shots were apparently fired from within his building, it?s natural for him to think of Oswald.

Really??...  So you are proposing that at the time Baker told him that he wanted to go to the roof of the building Truly thought of Lee Oswald??    Hmmmm....    That would indicate that Truly had prior knowledge....  Could be.....

Oswald was the only one he vouched for.

No.....   Have you forgotten that Baker said that he saw a man slinking away from the stairs on either the third or fourth floor ?

a policeman who had drawn a gun on him

Liar!!.....   Baker did not draw a gun on Lee Oswald.....Baker already had his revolver in his hand as they climbed the stairs and approached the lunchroom.....
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Re: There was No Roll Call at the TSBD !
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2018, 04:46:29 PM »
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And it?s natural for Roy Truly to first think about Oswald. Oswald was the only one he vouched for. As soon as he found out that the shots were apparently fired from within his building, it?s natural for him to think of Oswald.

Selfserving argument!

Having seen Oswald on the 2nd floor just seconds after the shooting could just as easily have given Truly the impression that Oswald probably wasn't the 6th floor shooter.

LOL.  How many employees did Truly know had been in the building at the time of the shooting that were suddenly missing in the immediate aftermath?  And he didn't see Oswald on the 2nd floor "just seconds" after the shooting.   Regardless, why would Truly need to have any impression as to whether Oswald was on the 6th floor?  In the earliest stages of the investigation, it was possible the shots could have come from any floor.  He just reported something that he noticed not knowing whether it was important or not.   Or are you suggesting he was part of the conspiracy?  The one you deny you are claiming due to the obvious absurdity of such claim.  But here you imply that Truly was acting in some inexplicable manner to point the finger at Oswald in the immediate aftermath of the assassination.  The same guy who had vouched for him to Baker and allowed him an opportunity to escape.  Oh those nutty conspirators.

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« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2018, 06:55:25 PM »
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LOL.  How many employees did Truly know had been in the building at the time of the shooting that were suddenly missing in the immediate aftermath?  And he didn't see Oswald on the 2nd floor "just seconds" after the shooting.   Regardless, why would Truly need to have any impression as to whether Oswald was on the 6th floor?  In the earliest stages of the investigation, it was possible the shots could have come from any floor.  He just reported something that he noticed not knowing whether it was important or not.   Or are you suggesting he was part of the conspiracy?  The one you deny you are claiming due to the obvious absurdity of such claim.  But here you imply that Truly was acting in some inexplicable manner to point the finger at Oswald in the immediate aftermath of the assassination.  The same guy who had vouched for him to Baker and allowed him an opportunity to escape.  Oh those nutty conspirators.


And he didn't see Oswald on the 2nd floor "just seconds" after the shooting.

Ah.. another word game. OK, I'll bite... what would be "just seconds" to you? The point I made, which went completely over your head, is that Truly had seen Oswald on the 2nd floor just after the shooting (regardless of how many seconds it was), standing there calm and collective.

Joe Elliott made the pathetic claim that it was natural for Truly to think of Oswald, as soon as he found out that the shots were fired from his building, when in fact there was nothing natural about it. Truly had just vouched for Oswald. No rational thought process would make him select Oswald as the "natural" choice. 


But here you imply that Truly was acting in some inexplicable manner to point the finger at Oswald in the immediate aftermath of the assassination.

Oh boy, don't you ever get tired of making stuff up?

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« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2018, 07:09:12 PM »
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Having seen Oswald on the 2nd floor just seconds after the shooting could just as easily have given Truly the impression that Oswald probably wasn't the 6th floor shooter.

'Just seconds'

Having seen Oswald on the second floor 'just seconds' after the shooting could 'just' as easily have given Truly (who knew the building) the idea that a killer in a hurry could have descended the stairs in 'just seconds'
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Re: There was No Roll Call at the TSBD !
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2018, 12:53:57 AM »

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Is that what Truly told the commission or did you make that up?


I make a logical guess. Roy Truly vouched for Oswald while a police officer had a gun pointed at him. Then, he soon found out a hidden rifle was found in the building. It?s logical his first thought would be on the employee he vouched for. What if Oswald was the shooter?

Does Truly explain this? Of course not. He doesn?t want to freely admit that he feared, for a while, of being part of a conspiracy, which he didn?t really take part in.

Question:

Why is it speculation to state Truly probably was thinking of Oswald as a possible shooter first because Truly vouched for Oswald, which would be bad if it turned out Oswald was the shooter?

Why is it not speculation to state Truly probably alerted the police about Oswald because Truly was part of the conspiracy to frame Oswald?




Yes. Roy Truly did not state he first did a quick check to see if Oswald was in the building because he had vouched for him and did not want the police to suspect he was in on the conspiracy with Oswald. But he also did not state he alerted the police because he was involved in a conspiracy to frame Oswald.

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