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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2510 on: February 11, 2019, 09:52:26 PM »
Friends, one cannot but be impressed at the fact that, when the Prayer Man theory was developed over 5 years ago, a bold double inference was made from the available evidence that Mr Oswald had claimed in custody
A) to have gone to the 2nd floor lunchroom for a coke before (not after) the motorcade
B) to have gone out front for the motorcade.

And now we get this stunning confirmation, in the clearest language possible, of that bold double inference:



Tsk tsk. A terrible, terrible week for the anti-Prayer Man zealots  :'(

The highlighted text is not a confirmation of anything.  It's already well established (confirmed) that Oswald was a liar. Hosty was merely recording some of Oswald's lies.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2511 on: February 11, 2019, 09:57:29 PM »
The highlighted text is not a confirmation of anything.  It's already well established (confirmed) that Oswald was a liar. Hosty was merely recording some of Oswald's lies.

Tim,

Well put.

--Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2512 on: February 11, 2019, 10:00:28 PM »
The highlighted text is not a confirmation of anything.  It's already well established (confirmed) that Oswald was a liar. Hosty was merely recording some of Oswald's lies.

Aha! 'Hosty was merely recording some of Oswald's lies'. So you accept that Agent Hosty's note accurately reflects what the evil Mr Oswald had been claiming. This means you now accept that the evil Mr Oswald did in fact claim to have been out front after all.

Good on you, Mr Nickerson-------you're making progress  Thumb1:

Now! Let's look at the evil Mr Oswald's 'lies', shall we?

1. I visited the 2nd floor lunchroom before the assassination.

Question! Were Carolyn Arnold and Sarah Stanton privy to the Hosty note that

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has just uncovered?

2. I went out front to watch the motorcade.

Question! Why did Messrs Hosty, Bookhout, Fritz & co. suppress this 'lie' in their official reports and testimony?

Thanking you in advance for your reply, Mr Nickerson  Thumb1:


Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2513 on: February 11, 2019, 10:15:58 PM »
Friends, here's Officer Marrion L. Baker's first-day affidavit:



The underlined sentences tell us what happened, viz.---------------
A) Officer Baker rushed up the steps
B) He saw several people standing around, one of whom was Mr Oswald
C) Just as he was asking Mr Oswald if he worked there (= because he needed someone familiar with the place to show him to the stairs),
D) Mr Truly stepped up and offered to show Officer Baker the way.

No lunchroom encounter!

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2514 on: February 11, 2019, 10:56:44 PM »

A) Officer Baker rushed up the steps
B) He saw several people standing around, one of whom was Mr Oswald
C) Just as he was asking Mr Oswald if he worked there (= because he needed someone familiar with the place to show him to the stairs),
D) Mr Truly stepped up and offered to show Officer Baker the way.

No lunchroom encounter!

Now! It just so happens that the initial police line fed to the media was that Mr Oswald had been 'stopped' by a police officer at the front entrance.

And then! The line changed the following day to reflect the fact that a fictional 2nd floor lunchroom incident had been developed as a way of moving the real Oswald-Baker-Truly encounter away from the front entrance.

It worked! Oswald was deprived of his alibi, and conveniently lost his life before he had a chance to give his side in court.

Wanna know the most incredible part of this whole sorry saga? Even today it is actually possible to find 'researchers' who still believe the ridiculous lunchroom story! And only some of them are Lone Nutters, of whom it would be unfair to expect any better... ::)


Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2515 on: February 11, 2019, 11:01:27 PM »
Aha! 'Hosty was merely recording some of Oswald's lies'. So you accept that Agent Hosty's note accurately reflects what the evil Mr Oswald had been claiming. This means you now accept that the evil Mr Oswald did in fact claim to have been out front after all.

Good on you, Mr Nickerson-------you're making progress  Thumb1:

Yes, I do accept that. I also accept that Oswald claimed to have eaten his lunch with Junior Jarman and Harold Norman. I also accept that Oswald claimed to have been on the second floor at the time of the search of the building, at which time a police officer came into the room with pistol drawn and asked if he worked there. I also accept that Oswald claimed that when he went downstairs, a policeman questioned him as to his identification and his boss stated that 'he is one of our employees'. Do you accept all of those?  If not, why not?

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Now! Let's look at the evil Mr Oswald's 'lies', shall we?

1. I visited the 2nd floor lunchroom before the assassination.

Question! Were Carolyn Arnold and Sarah Stanton privy to the Hosty note that

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has just uncovered?


I don't know. I doubt it. Should they have been?

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2. I went out front to watch the motorcade.

Question! Why did Messrs Hosty, Bookhout, Fritz & co. suppress this 'lie' in their official reports and testimony?

That's in the Hosty notes, is it? What Oswald said wasn't suppressed. Bookhout recorded it in one of his FD-302s when he wrote that Oswald went out to hang with Bill Shelley for five or ten minutes.

Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2516 on: February 11, 2019, 11:18:09 PM »
Friends, here's Officer Marrion L. Baker's first-day affidavit:



The underlined sentences tell us what happened, viz.---------------
A) Officer Baker rushed up the steps


Try reading the whole thing. Then when you're done that, read the following:

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth340660/m1/1/

And then read the signed affidavit of Jeraldean Reid:

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh24/pages/WH_Vol24_0121a.jpg
« Last Edit: February 11, 2019, 11:20:22 PM by Tim Nickerson »

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2517 on: February 12, 2019, 12:18:32 AM »
Yes, I do accept that. I also accept that Oswald claimed to have eaten his lunch with Junior Jarman and Harold Norman. I also accept that Oswald claimed to have been on the second floor at the time of the search of the building, at which time a police officer came into the room with pistol drawn and asked if he worked there. I also accept that Oswald claimed that when he went downstairs, a policeman questioned him as to his identification and his boss stated that 'he is one of our employees'. Do you accept all of those?  If not, why not?

I don't know. I doubt it. Should they have been?

That's in the Hosty notes, is it? What Oswald said wasn't suppressed. Bookhout recorded it in one of his FD-302s when he wrote that Oswald went out to hang with Bill Shelley for five or ten minutes.

Thank you for your ample response, Mr Nickerson!  Thumb1:

1. Mr Oswald saw Messrs Jarman and Norman 'c(o)me in'. Captain Fritz, being Captain Fritz, inflated that into a claim he'd had lunch with them!
2. Mr Oswald never claimed to have been on the second floor at any time after the assassination. Bookhout has scrambled the chronology!
3. Mr Harry D. Holmes is quite right: Mr Oswald claimed--consistently--to have had an exchange with a police officer at the front entrance!
4. Dontcha find it a rather curious koinkydink that Ms Arnold and Ms Stanton both claimed to have seen something directly corroborative of Mr Oswald's suppressed claim, viz., a pre-assassination visit to the 2nd floor lunchroom?
5. Bookhout has clearly changed the timeframe of Mr Oswald's claimed move out front. Hosty makes this abundantly clear: 'for the P. parade'. Bookhout's twisted version is a joke, as is anyone who falls for it!

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2518 on: February 12, 2019, 12:22:41 AM »
Try reading the whole thing.

The bit about catching a man walking away from the stairway on the 3rd or 4th floor?  :D

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Then when you're done that, read the following:

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth340660/m1/1/

And then read the signed affidavit of Jeraldean Reid:

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh24/pages/WH_Vol24_0121a.jpg

Mr Truly lied.
Mrs Reid, at the behest of her boss Mr Truly, lied.

The Baker-Oswald-Truly encounter happened at the front door.  Thumb1:

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #2519 on: February 12, 2019, 01:05:11 AM »
Now! It just so happens that the initial police line fed to the media was that Mr Oswald had been 'stopped' by a police officer at the front entrance.

And then! The line changed the following day to reflect the fact that a fictional 2nd floor lunchroom incident had been developed as a way of moving the real Oswald-Baker-Truly encounter away from the front entrance.

It worked! Oswald was deprived of his alibi, and conveniently lost his life before he had a chance to give his side in court.

Wanna know the most incredible part of this whole sorry saga? Even today it is actually possible to find 'researchers' who still believe the ridiculous lunchroom story! And only some of them are Lone Nutters, of whom it would be unfair to expect any better... ::)

Now!

There is an unidentified figure standing alone on the west side of the Depository entrance. This figure shows up both in the Wiegman film (= during the shooting) and in the Darnell film (=just after the shooting).

It has been established that this figure cannot possibly be any of the Depository employees known to have been standing in the doorway at the time of the shooting. Every single one of them has been ruled out. Not even the most frantic of efforts has gotten anywhere.

Up to now, the suggestion that this figure can therefore only be Mr Oswald has been met with a cry of, 'We have absolutely no reason to believe that Oswald was in that doorway. Not even Oswald himself said he was there!'

That cry has just been rendered null and void by 7 devastatingly unambiguous words in the Hosty note: 'Then went outside to watch P. Parade.'

Mr Oswald puts himself in the front doorway at the critical time, and so too do the Wiegman and Darnell films. He is Prayer Man.
« Last Edit: February 12, 2019, 01:10:23 AM by Alan Ford »

 

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