Podcast On Tippit

[Martin Weidmann]

You can lead a horse to water...

I would let you lead me, if you only knew where the water actually is.....

[Bill Brown]

Again, the police tapes (combined with the actions of witnesses like Mary Wright, Barbara Davis and L.J. Lewis, who contacted the police shortly after the shooting) tell us that Markham was NOT going to arrive at Patton and Jefferson at 1:15.  She was approaching Patton and Tenth at 1:15.

Rely on bad evidence and get bad results.

You may be thinking of Fred Litwin's "On The Trail Of Delusion" podcast.  I was not responsible for the graphics, though I don't have a problem with them.

Could be. No surpise that you don't have a problem with them. You won't have a problem with them if they showed Markham having a barbeque at that intersection.

You asked for my opinion and then ridicule me by calling it "self-serving speculation".  You really are a dickhead, aren't ya?

Said one dickhead to another. I asked you because there was a possibility you might come up with something credible. All I got was the same BS as per usual.

When you start talking about how you can imagine something; you are by definition speculating. Easy enough to understand!

Clearly YOU aren't aware that Jack Tatum would be approaching the intersection of Tenth & Patton while Tippit and his killer were talking.  Markham described "traffic was coming".  She didn't say a police car was coming.  Or... are we now accepting everything the FBI (in this case, Barrett) says is 100% true?  If that's the case, then the bag was indeed three feet long by six inches wide, according to Linnie Mae Randle (per Bookhout).

So, the FBI only tells the truth when you need them to? In my opinion no FD 302 is evidence of anything. It is my personal opinion that we would have been far better off without them as they only muddy the waters. Plain and simple. The point was that Markham told Bookhout that she hoped to catch a bas at about 1:15 PM and she only stopped because of a police car and cars passing by. She basically said the same thing in her WC testimony, athough she didn't mention the police car. If you think Bookhout lied about that, be my guest.

I'm very much aware of Jack Tatum coming up, but he didn't pass the intersection until after the shots, so he would have far enough away to give Markham time to pass the street. You make it out as a highway with loads of cars passing by. It wasn't and still isn't.

Markham tells us no such thing.  You're putting words into her mouth.  That's bad form.

She didn't? HAHAHAHAHA. Are you playing your typical semantics game again? Talk about utter dishonesty!

Markham never said that she took her regular bus at 1:15 PM? Are you for real?

Let me guess, normally Markham "usually" get's her bus at 1:15 PM (which would either be a delayed 1:12 or the 1:22) but on that day she figured she would leave 9th street later and just risk missing her usual bus. Oh well, anything to keep your fairytale alive, I suppose.

Rely on bad evidence and get bad results.

Nonsense.  The time stamps on the police tapes are not "bad evidence" at all.  You don't understand them; that doesn't make them "bad".

I asked you because there was a possibility you might come up with something credible. All I got was the same BS as per usual.

When you start talking about how you can imagine something; you are by definition speculating. Easy enough to understand!

Again, you basically asked me to speculate and I admit I am only giving my opinion.  Seems simple enough but only a Kook would take issue with it.

So, the FBI only tells the truth when you need them to? In my opinion no FD 302 is evidence of anything. It is my personal opinion that we would have been far better off without them as they only muddy the waters. Plain and simple. The point was that Markham told Bookhout that she hoped to catch a bas at about 1:15 PM and she only stopped because of a police car and cars passing by. She basically said the same thing in her WC testimony, athough she didn't mention the police car. If you think Bookhout lied about that, be my guest.

Again, in her Warren Commission testimony, she said traffic was coming.  She did not say it was a police car.  If you want to rely on the FBI report as if it's gospel, then we can also agree then that Randle indeed said the bag was three feet long.  This is simple stuff, really.  So, which is it for you?

By the way, the FBI agent who interviewed Markham in March of '64 was Barrett (as you originally stated), not Bookhout (as you are now stating).

I'm very much aware of Jack Tatum coming up, but he didn't pass the intersection until after the shots, so he would have far enough away to give Markham time to pass the street.

In your opinion.  Obviously that was not Markham's opinion, as she tells us she had to wait for traffic to pass before trying to cross.

She didn't? HAHAHAHAHA. Are you playing your typical semantics game again? Talk about utter dishonesty!

Markham never said that she took her regular bus at 1:15 PM? Are you for real?

Let me guess, normally Markham "usually" get's her bus at 1:15 PM (which would either be a delayed 1:12 or the 1:22) but on that day she figured she would leave 9th street later and just risk missing her usual bus. Oh well, anything to keep your fairytale alive, I suppose.

You don't know what "get your bus" means and you certainly don't know how Markham interpreted the question.  The bottom line is that Markham never says she caught a bus at 1:15 and no amount of you putting words into her mouth will change this.

[Zeon Mason]

I would like to know if the emergency room clock at the hospital which Tippit was taken , was in sync with DPD radio dispatch clock or was the hospital clock 7 minutes slow relative to the  DOD clock?

[John Mytton]

Again, the police tapes (combined with the actions of witnesses like Mary Wright, Barbara Davis and L.J. Lewis, who contacted the police shortly after the shooting) tell us that Markham was NOT going to arrive at Patton and Jefferson at 1:15.  She was approaching Patton and Tenth at 1:15.

Yep the Police tapes were synchronized with the Hertz clock at 12:30 and some CT's claim that somehow the Police tapes went out of sync by somewhere around 5 to 10 minutes in the next 3/4 of an hour, and the more desperate CT's claim that the Hertz clock which people set their own timepieces by was not accurate, but not one CT has ever even proved that the Hertz clock was a minute out, much less 5 or more! 



JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

Nonsense.  The time stamps on the police tapes are not "bad evidence" at all.  You don't understand them; that doesn't make them "bad".


Again, you basically asked me to speculate and I admit I am only giving my opinion.  Seems simple enough but only a Kook would take issue with it.


Again, in her Warren Commission testimony, she said traffic was coming.  She did not say it was a police car.  If you want to rely on the FBI report as if it's gospel, then we can also agree then that Randle indeed said the bag was three feet long.  This is simple stuff, really.  So, which is it for you?

By the way, the FBI agent who interviewed Markham in March of '64 was Barrett (as you originally stated), not Bookhout (as you are now stating).


In your opinion.  Obviously that was not Markham's opinion, as she tells us she had to wait for traffic to pass before trying to cross.


You don't know what "get your bus" means and you certainly don't know how Markham interpreted the question.  The bottom line is that Markham never says she caught a bus at 1:15 and no amount of you putting words into her mouth will change this.

Nonsense.  The time stamps on the police tapes are not "bad evidence" at all.  You don't understand them; that doesn't make them "bad".

I understand them alright. I just don't agree with your opinion.

Again, you basically asked me to speculate and I admit I am only giving my opinion.  Seems simple enough but only a Kook would take issue with it.

Typical LN talk. I asked you to help me out by explaining why Markham would risk missing her bus by waiting at the corner of 10th and Patton after the car(s) had passed.
You then started speculating and you did so in a self-serving way, like you always do. Your speculations are not facts! It's that simple.

Again, in her Warren Commission testimony, she said traffic was coming.  She did not say it was a police car.  If you want to rely on the FBI report as if it's gospel, then we can also agree then that Randle indeed said the bag was three feet long.  This is simple stuff, really.  So, which is it for you?

Apparently you want to rely fully on witness testimony because you are desperate to get Tippit's police car out of the overall picture, despite the fact that his car was there and did pass the intersection. But if you want to rely solely on WC testimony, let's go that way. That means of course that Roberts couldn't identify CE 162 and thought that the jacket she had seen was darker. It means that Frazier saw Oswald carry the package in the cup of his hand and under his armpit and it means that Randle provided a far more accurate estimate of the size of the package than Barrett wrote. Are you happy with that?

By the way, the FBI agent who interviewed Markham in March of '64 was Barrett (as you originally stated), not Bookhout (as you are now stating).

I stand corrected. My bad.

In your opinion.  Obviously that was not Markham's opinion, as she tells us she had to wait for traffic to pass before trying to cross.

And where exactly does she say that also included Tatum's car? Or are you simply making that up?

You don't know what "get your bus" means and you certainly don't know how Markham interpreted the question.

Her answer in her WC testimony is clear enough;

Mr. BALL. You know what time you usually get your bus, don't you?
Mrs. MARKHAM. 1:15.

And you swear by WC testimony, right?

The bottom line is that Markham never says she caught a bus at 1:15 and no amount of you putting words into her mouth will change this.

So, now you want verbatim quotes. As I said before.... you are playing word games (again). You can deny reality as much as you like but normal same people know exactly what somebody says she "gets" or "caught" her bus at 1:15 PM.

Besides, she made it very very clear that she needed to be at the bus stop every day at 1:15 PM, regardless if she got or caught a bus or jumped on the back of a bike! Deal with it!