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Offline Wesley Johnson

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How did Oswald get the job at the TSBD
« on: March 11, 2018, 03:50:07 PM »
 How did Oswald get the job at the TSBD? And why is it important? I'm just curious about how many different stories there are in regards to LHO's employment at the TSBD. It's very simple CTers, if you cannot place Oswald at work in the TSBD by a conspiracy then there was no conspiracy.
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Online Ray Mitcham

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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2018, 04:31:51 PM »
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How did Oswald get the job at the TSBD? And why is it important? I'm just curious about how many different stories there are in regards to LHO's employment at the TSBD. It's very simple CTers, if you cannot place Oswald at work in the TSBD then there was no conspiracy.

Hey, Wes, you trying to say he didn't work there?

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Hey, Wes, you trying to say he didn't work there?



No Ray. I had to add to my original statement "by a conspiracy"

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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2018, 05:39:18 PM »
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No Ray. I had to add to my original statement "by a conspiracy"

We can't prove that he was put there by anybody. That's the problem. However the convenience of his being employed there, so close to the assassination, sounds the warning bells, in  my mind. Just because we can't prove who and why he was put there,  doesn't mean there wasn't a conspiracy.

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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2018, 06:03:31 PM »
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We can't prove that he was put there by anybody. That's the problem. However the convenience of his being employed there, so close to the assassination, sounds the warning bells, in  my mind. Just because we can't prove who and why he was put there,  doesn't mean there wasn't a conspiracy.


It's been known how he got the job at the TSBD from 22 November 1963 until now. It never has been a mystery Ray. Linnie Mae Randle, Frazier's sister, and Ruth Paine, along with Marina Oswald had all gathered at Dorothy Robert's house to have coffee and chat. Just like a lot of housewives did back then. During their conversation the subject of Lee's unemployment came up. Linnie Mae Randle said that her brother Buell had just got a job at the TSBD and it might be a good idea to have Lee apply there. Marina asked Ruth if she could call the TSBD for her. Ruth called Roy Truly and Mr. Truly told her to have Lee come and apply. Lee went there and got hired. There were two buildings that TSBD worked out of. There were two men that Truly hired and he picked the other man to work at the warehouse down the road and Lee to work at the TSBD on Elm St. Oswald went to work at the TSBD on 16 October 1963. You see the problem don't you Ray? On 16 October it had not even been finalized that the President would come to Dallas. The motorcade route was not even set yet. So, what CTers want me to believe is that these conspirators could read the future and know that the president would come to Dallas and ride in an open car and drive by the TSBD. If you believe that Ray then you have to include, Ruth Paine, Marina Oswald, Linnie Mae Randle, Dorothy Roberts and good old Roy Truly in on the conspiracy.  You don't really believe that these Texas house wives and a warehouse manager were just suddenly recruited by the KGB, CIA, FBI Secret Service, Dallas Police or any numbers of silly theories, to put little old Lee in the building, so he could be framed by them? It is ridiculous when you start looking at it Ray. 
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Offline Martin Weidmann

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We can't prove that he was put there by anybody. That's the problem. However the convenience of his being employed there, so close to the assassination, sounds the warning bells, in  my mind. Just because we can't prove who and why he was put there,  doesn't mean there wasn't a conspiracy.


Ray, he may not even have been put there on purpose.

Who said that a conspiracy already had a solid and completely worked out plan in mind, months, or even weeks, prior to the assassination? Yet, that's what LNs seem to imply. If there was a conspiracy, there may well have been some sort of master plan in place, known to only a few people and able to be put into action at short notice based upon the actual circumstances at the time.

There are those who believe there had already been two previous attempts to execute the plan, in Miami and Chicago, which both failed. Perhaps it was just a case of third time lucky with all the variables falling into place in Dallas.

 

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Ray, he may not even have been put there on purpose.

Who said that a conspiracy already had a solid and completely worked out plan in mind, months, or even weeks, prior to the assassination? Yet, that's what LNs seem to imply. If there was a conspiracy, there may well have been some sort of master plan in place, known to only a few people and able to be put into action at short notice based upon the actual circumstances at the time.

There are those who believe there had already been two previous attempts to execute the plan, in Miami and Chicago, which both failed. Perhaps it was just a case of third time lucky with all the variables falling into place in Dallas.


Hello Martin.
"there may well have been some sort of master plan in place, known to only a few people and able to be put into action at short notice based upon the actual circumstances at the time."


Right!! I believe that!  ::)
And what you are implying is that these people with this "master plan" in a matter of days were able to put this elaborate plan to frame Oswald in play? LOL In all of the years since the president's assassination there is not one shred of evidence to indicate there were any "mysterious" people hanging around manipulating Oswald or any one else. And that's what it would have took. Boots on the ground. No evidence of that. Zero.

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Hello Martin.
"there may well have been some sort of master plan in place, known to only a few people and able to be put into action at short notice based upon the actual circumstances at the time."


Right!! I believe that!  ::)
And what you are implying is that these people with this "master plan" in a matter of days were able to put this elaborate plan to frame Oswald in play? LOL In all of the years since the president's assassination there is not one shred of evidence to indicate there were any "mysterious" people hanging around manipulating Oswald or any one else. And that's what it would have took. Boots on the ground. No evidence of that. Zero.

Right!! I believe that!  ::)

I am not really interested in what you believe or not.

And what you are implying is that these people with this "master plan" in a matter of days were able to put this elaborate plan to frame Oswald in play?

I am not implying anything. I started by comment by saying "If there was a conspiracy" but, dishonest as you seem to be, you left that out of the quote. Why?

What makes you even think, if there was a conspiracy, it was an elaborate plan to frame Oswald in particular or that it was the only option in play at any given time? I get the impression you do not play chess very well.

In all of the years since the president's assassination there is not one shred of evidence to indicate there were any "mysterious" people hanging around manipulating Oswald or any one else.

So what? That's just your opinion and it could just mean that you are not paying attention very well or that you are so bias that you dismiss everything you don't like out of hand. It tells me nothing. When would somebody even qualify as "mysterious" in your mind?

And that's what it would have took. Boots on the ground. No evidence of that. Zero.

Opinions, opinions and opinions... you seem to have a lot of them, but hey, whatever works for you, right?

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Right!! I believe that!  ::)

I am not really interested in what you believe or not.

And what you are implying is that these people with this "master plan" in a matter of days were able to put this elaborate plan to frame Oswald in play?

I am not implying anything. I started by comment by saying "If there was a conspiracy" but, dishonest as you seem to be, you left that out of the quote. Why?

What makes you even think, if there was a conspiracy, it was an elaborate plan to frame Oswald in particular or that it was the only option in play at any given time? I get the impression you do not play chess very well.

In all of the years since the president's assassination there is not one shred of evidence to indicate there were any "mysterious" people hanging around manipulating Oswald or any one else.

So what? That's just your opinion and it could just mean that you are not paying attention very well or that you are so bias that you dismiss everything you don't like out of hand. It tells me nothing. When would somebody even qualify as "mysterious" in your mind?

And that's what it would have took. Boots on the ground. No evidence of that. Zero.

Opinions, opinions and opinions... you seem to have a lot of them, but hey, whatever works for you, right?

Martin, you seem to be a little bit agitated. You can get through it. Actually I play a real good game of chess. I'll play you any time you like. I'm sure we could figure out how to get that done. You really need to stop being in denial and except that you are a CT buff.

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Re: How did Oswald get the job at the TSBD
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Ray, he may not even have been put there on purpose.

Who said that a conspiracy already had a solid and completely worked out plan in mind, months, or even weeks, prior to the assassination? Yet, that's what LNs seem to imply. If there was a conspiracy, there may well have been some sort of master plan in place, known to only a few people and able to be put into action at short notice based upon the actual circumstances at the time.


No, itís not LNers who imply this. It is what most CTers say. It is CTers who say that Oswald was working for the CIA:

** While in the Marines, working with radar.

** When he went to the Soviet Union.

** When he passed out pro Castro leaflets in New Orleans in the summer of 1963.


Iím not saying a conspiracy theory is impossible. Iím just saying a conspiracy theory that had Oswald as part of the plan before October 1963 makes no sense. Itís not my fault that CTers postulate a conspiracy that falls apart when the question of how Oswald got his job.



Essentially, what CTers want, is to point out things that they say indicates that Oswald was working for the CIA for a long time. But then, when it is pointed out the problems this causes them, to suggest that maybe he wasnít. CTers want their cake and to eat it to. They want to argue that Oswald basically was working for the CIA while suggesting he wasnít to side step problems with logic that this causes them. And then go back to believing he was working for the CIA all along.


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There are those who believe there had already been two previous attempts to execute the plan, in Miami and Chicago, which both failed. Perhaps it was just a case of third time lucky with all the variables falling into place in Dallas.



Plans based on hoping to find and identify someone who works along a motorcade route who:

** Works in an old, mostly empty building, on the edge of town, where there likely would be floor with no people.

** With an employee who has military training with a rifle.

** With the same employee having lived in the Soviet Union

** With the same employee recently passing out Pro Communist leaflets.

Are prone to failure. It would not be surprising such a plot would fail in Miami or Chicago or one hundred straight times. Real world plots donít work like this.

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