Motorcade Stopped On Stemmons On Ramp (Earle Brown Ed Hoffman Seth Sandra Pat)

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

So you buy the cockamamie theory that George Hickey fired a shot into JFK's head, a whacky theory that virtually no one believes, but you think that "very close to 100%" of Hoffman's account is false. You seem to have done little serious reading about Hoffman and his account. Have you read any of the detailed articles that defend Hoffman's veracity? How about Quinlan and Edwards' book on Hoffman?

You could start with Mark Arnold's recent article on Hoffman:

https://fromanativeson.com/2023/07/14/jfk-evidence-series-1-eyewitness-to-tragedy-the-ed-hoffman-story-by-mark-arnold/http://

No, Arnold doesn't mention the stop on the Stemmons ramp, but he does present a lot of evidence that Hoffman immediately tried to share his account with friends and family members, and that the FBI and others misrepresented what Hoffman said.

I have read all availlable wordage re the Hoffman saga, & i have looked at all of the available footage.
I have not bort any of his (others' books).
Hoffman changed & added to his story over the years, 99.9% false.
The stuff re the motorcade stoppage is simply amazing, & clearly true.
Ed is unlikely to have known of Earle Brown's similar claim (that there was a stoppage)( & that it was at least 30 sec).

[Michael T. Griffith]

Two points:

1. In their book Beyond the Fence Line: The Eyewitness Account of Ed Hoffman and the Murder of President John F. Kennedy, Quinlan and Edwards thoroughly address the criticisms regarding Hoffman's location, his distance from the area behind the picket fence, his view of the area behind the picket fence, and the plausibility of seeing events/people from those distances (pp. 63-104; pp. 76-117 in the Kindle edition).

Quinlan and Edwards spend considerable time on Posner's attack on Hoffman. They show that Posner's assault is misleading and false.

2. Quinlan and Edwards debunk the claim that Hoffman "changed and added to his story over the years." He did not. There were some issues with some of the ASL translations of his sign language, and the FBI misrepresented several aspects of Hoffman's account. The record shows that Hoffman was consistent over the years.

[John Mytton]

2. Quinlan and Edwards debunk the claim that Hoffman "changed and added to his story over the years." He did not. There were some issues with some of the ASL translations of his sign language, and the FBI misrepresented several aspects of Hoffman's account. The record shows that Hoffman was consistent over the years.

Depending on who was interviewing Hoffman, he was quite flexible with his "memories" and the description of Hoffman that he "changed and added to his story over the years." is more than amply demonstrated by these two diametrically opposed recollections.



JohnM

[Royell Storing]

 About 1 year+ before David Lifton passed, he claimed he had a couple of witnesses to the JFK Limo Stop on the Stemmons Freeway on-ramp. He said they were a couple of teens at that time, and they stopped along that stretch of the Stemmon Fwy as they were coming back into town a little after Noon. They figured they were too late to get into Dealey Plaza and see the JFK Motorcade, so they stopped along the Stemmons Fwy knowing that JFK would be cruising by them headed in the other direction. According to Lifton, the 2 witnesses claimed they saw the JFK Limo stop and that Jackie was frantically trying to get outta the car. Suited guys were immediately all over her and muscled her back inside the Limo back seat. Lifton said he was going to film 1 of these eyewitnesses telling this story. The other eyewitness was reluctant to have their name out there in connection with the assassination. I never saw or heard anything else about this from that point until Lifton passed. I don't know if Lifton ever filmed 1 of them or not. We all KNOW that JFK Limo stopped somewhere prior to boarding the Stemmons Fwy. With Jackie having climbed onto the Limo trunk while they were inside Dealey Plaza, this story does ring true.

[Royell Storing]

Depending on who was interviewing Hoffman, he was quite flexible with his "memories" and the description of Hoffman that he "changed and added to his story over the years." is more than amply demonstrated by these two diametrically opposed recollections.



JohnM

      Like you and me, Hoffman is a Layman along with being a deaf/mute. Cut the poor guy some slack.

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

About 1 year+ before David Lifton passed, he claimed he had a couple of witnesses to the JFK Limo Stop on the Stemmons Freeway on-ramp. He said they were a couple of teens at that time, and they stopped along that stretch of the Stemmon Fwy as they were coming back into town a little after Noon. They figured they were too late to get into Dealey Plaza and see the JFK Motorcade, so they stopped along the Stemmons Fwy knowing that JFK would be cruising by them headed in the other direction. According to Lifton, the 2 witnesses claimed they saw the JFK Limo stop and that Jackie was frantically trying to get outta the car. Suited guys were immediately all over her and muscled her back inside the Limo back seat. Lifton said he was going to film 1 of these eyewitnesses telling this story. The other eyewitness was reluctant to have their name out there in connection with the assassination. I never saw or heard anything else about this from that point until Lifton passed. I don't know if Lifton ever filmed 1 of them or not. We all KNOW that JFK Limo stopped somewhere prior to boarding the Stemmons Fwy. With Jackie having climbed onto the Limo trunk while they were inside Dealey Plaza, this story does ring true.

Good stuff Royell. Any links? Or directions in which i  could search? Thanx.
Was it in a youtube?

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

Depending on who was interviewing Hoffman, he was quite flexible with his "memories" and the description of Hoffman that he "changed and added to his story over the years." is more than amply demonstrated by these two diametrically opposed recollections.



JohnM

If Hoffman was looking down on the jfklimo stopped below him on the on-ramp then he his view of jfk's head wound would probly have been blocked by SSA Hill.
Anyhow it reminds me that one Texas policeman (Wright or Jacks i think) who helped with getting jfk out of the limo said that he did not get to see the head wound koz he could see only the back of jfk's head.
In other words all of the doctors etc who said that the big open outshoot hole was in the back of jfk's head were wrong, & one lil ol cop was correct.