Roger Craig

[Mitch Todd]

Thanks.  Just so we're clear though:  "one of the few" means there are others, right?  Like the Nagant, or Enfield, or M95, or 35M.

Lee Enfields have a box magazine that's separate from the trigger guard. Nagants have vertical ridges that run up the side of the magazine housing, plus there's a noticeable step from the side of the magazine housing to the side of the trigger guard. Steyr-Mannlicher M95s have a pronounced rebated curve between the bottom of the magazine proper and the trigger guard.  Der Gewehr 88 "commission rifle" is probably the closest (and probably not by accident), but has a different, more tapered profile, and there are very pronounced flanges that run along the bottom of the magazine housing. 

[Jack Nessan]

Do not forget the 1891 Argentine Mauser which very closely resembles the 1891 Carcano. The Argentine Mauser is a 7.65 caliber vs the 6.5 caliber Carcano. The 6.5 vs 7.65 stampings is maybe what caught his eye.

[Dan O'meara]

Not this bullsh%t again.

How do these "closeups" tell you that this is "no doubt" a Mannlicher Carcano?  I mean, beyond you think it looks like one?

I mean, Weitzman thought it looked like a Mauser.

Note the deceptive shift in emphasis.
Originally the problem was the quality of the film - "those who are squinting at poor quality film footage".
So, I posted clear images from the Alyea film and all of a sudden the problem is with "closeups".
That constant slipping and sliding I know so well.

Rather than your constant snide and baseless comments that never really go anywhere why not post a picture of a rifle that isn't a Carcano but which is indistinguishable from the rifle in the Alyea footage.
Why don't you actually demonstrate that the quality of the film isn't good enough to make such a comparison.
{I Love doing this to you because I know you will do f^ck all about it other than try a sneak out of it}

I mean, Weitzman thought it looked like a Mauser.

How sneaky you are.
I shouldn't have to point out that Weitzman thought it looked like a Mauser "in a glance" but we get to examine clear pictures, from various angles, of the rifle discovered on the sixth floor. We get to examine it for as long as we wish and in as much detail as we wish.
I know you know the difference but you just can't help yourself, can you?

Below is a picture of a 7.65 Mauser. It's the closest version to the Carcano I can find. If anyone can dig out a closer match please do.
The differences between the two rifles are too many to get into. They are clearly not the same rifle and any claims that the Alyea footage is not clear enough to make such a comparison are bogus.



You're a very slippery customer, John, but you forget how many times I've already dealt with you.

[John Mytton]

Do not forget the 1891 Argentine Mauser which very closely resembles the 1891 Carcano. The Argentine Mauser is a 7.65 caliber vs the 6.5 caliber Carcano. The 6.5 vs 7.65 stampings is maybe what caught his eye.

The Carcano rifle found on the 6th floor is the same Carcano rifle being shown to the press later that day.



And HSCA expert eyewitness Cecil Kirk determined that the same rifle was photographed with Oswald at Neely street.



JohnM

[Michael Welch]

The Carcano rifle found on the 6th floor is the same Carcano rifle being shown to the press later that day.



And HSCA expert eyewitness Cecil Kirk determined that the same rifle was photographed with Oswald at Neely street.



JohnM

Hi John, I hope that you are doing well my friend! Have you noticed that in the backyard photos of the rifle there appears to be a strap holder more underneath the rifle in the front rather than at the left side like it is supposed to be. Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael

[John Mytton]

Hi John, I hope that you are doing well my friend! Have you noticed that in the backyard photos of the rifle there appears to be a strap holder more underneath the rifle in the front rather than at the left side like it is supposed to be. Thank you for everything! Sincerely yours, Michael

Hi Michael, sometime in the eight months between the two events Oswald upgraded the strap, why is that a problem?

JohnM

[Michael Welch]

Hi Michael, sometime in the eight months between the two events Oswald upgraded the strap, why is that a problem?

JohnM

Hi John, Wow, I was not sure it was different! Thank you for your input! The problem is we cannot know that Oswald upgraded it. That simply would solve the matching problem, but Oswald does not seem to be putting extra money in the rifle. He probably was not putting extra money into much of anything. As always this is my opinion. With Much Gratitude and Admiration, Sincerely yours, Michael