Roger Craig

[John Iacoletti]

Note the deceptive shift in emphasis.
Originally the problem was the quality of the film - "those who are squinting at poor quality film footage".
So, I posted clear images from the Alyea film and all of a sudden the problem is with "closeups".

There's no shift.  It's still poor quality film footage despite your cries of "clarity".

Rather than your constant snide and baseless comments that never really go anywhere why not post a picture of a rifle that isn't a Carcano but which is indistinguishable from the rifle in the Alyea footage.

Why not stop shifting the burden of proof?

I shouldn't have to point out that Weitzman thought it looked like a Mauser "in a glance" but we get to examine clear pictures, from various angles, of the rifle discovered on the sixth floor.

Well, I got my answer.  This is just a dressed up way of saying that that you think it looks like one.

Yeah, it was such a "glance" that Weitzman went on to describe it and the scope in detail. 

"This rifle was a 7.65 Mauser bolt action equipped with a 4/18 scope, a thick leather brownish-black sling on it."

That's some "glance".

You're a very slippery customer, John, but you forget how many times I've already dealt with you.

And I've dealt with you enough to know that your subjective opinions are always "clear", "obvious", "proven", "no doubt".

[Bill Brown]

In 1968, during an interview (along with Penn Jones) with the L.A. Free Press, Roger Craig was asked about the Tippit shooting.  Craig told the interviewer that the shooting occurred at 1:45.

Jones immediately corrected Craig, informing him that the shooting occurred around 1:15.  Craig responded with "Oh?  Is that right? Okay." (or words to that effect, I'm going by memory)

The bottom line is, in 1968, Craig obviously had no idea what time the Tippit shooting occurred.

Then, in the early 70's when writing his manuscript, Craig tells the story of being in Dealey Plaza and hearing of the shooting of the police officer in Oak Cliff.  In the scenario, Craig supposedly looks at his watch and notes that it said the time was 1:06.

Does anyone really believe that Craig heard of the shooting over in Oak Cliff, looked down at his watch and noted that the time was 1:06.... And then less than five years later, he is being interviewed and easily accepts the correction that the time of the shooting occurred at 1:15, only to then tell the story a few years later (early '70s) that his watch said it was 1:06 when he heard of the shooting?

In the 1968 interview with the LA Free Press, it is painfully obvious that Craig had no idea what time the Tippit shooting occurred.  So then why would he say the shooting happened at 1:06 when he was writing his "manuscript" in the early '70s?  Answer?  Because he was trying to sell the manuscript.

[Bill Brown]

Note the deceptive shift in emphasis.
Originally the problem was the quality of the film - "those who are squinting at poor quality film footage".
So, I posted clear images from the Alyea film and all of a sudden the problem is with "closeups".
That constant slipping and sliding I know so well.

Rather than your constant snide and baseless comments that never really go anywhere why not post a picture of a rifle that isn't a Carcano but which is indistinguishable from the rifle in the Alyea footage.
Why don't you actually demonstrate that the quality of the film isn't good enough to make such a comparison.
{I Love doing this to you because I know you will do f^ck all about it other than try a sneak out of it}

I mean, Weitzman thought it looked like a Mauser.

How sneaky you are.
I shouldn't have to point out that Weitzman thought it looked like a Mauser "in a glance" but we get to examine clear pictures, from various angles, of the rifle discovered on the sixth floor. We get to examine it for as long as we wish and in as much detail as we wish.
I know you know the difference but you just can't help yourself, can you?

Below is a picture of a 7.65 Mauser. It's the closest version to the Carcano I can find. If anyone can dig out a closer match please do.
The differences between the two rifles are too many to get into. They are clearly not the same rifle and any claims that the Alyea footage is not clear enough to make such a comparison are bogus.



You're a very slippery customer, John, but you forget how many times I've already dealt with you.

Rather than your constant snide and baseless comments that never really go anywhere why not post a picture of a rifle that isn't a Carcano but which is indistinguishable from the rifle in the Alyea footage.
Why don't you actually demonstrate that the quality of the film isn't good enough to make such a comparison.

[Dan O'meara]

There's no shift.  It's still poor quality film footage despite your cries of "clarity".

Why not stop shifting the burden of proof?

Well, I got my answer.  This is just a dressed up way of saying that that you think it looks like one.

Yeah, it was such a "glance" that Weitzman went on to describe it and the scope in detail. 

"This rifle was a 7.65 Mauser bolt action equipped with a 4/18 scope, a thick leather brownish-black sling on it."

That's some "glance".

And I've dealt with you enough to know that your subjective opinions are always "clear", "obvious", "proven", "no doubt".

Lies, misrepresentation and deceit.
I won't bother alerting the media.

There's no shift. - This is a falsehood. An untruth. How typical of you.

Why not stop shifting the burden of proof? - ?? What "burden of proof" am I shifting? The quality of the closeups are more than enough to make a comparison between various rifles. I did exactly that in the part of the post you 'forgot' to reproduce. I am adamant the quality of the images I posted are more than enough to establish the make of the rifle [and what rifle it is not]. It is you who seems to believe it can't be done but rather than demonstrate your point you hide behind snide comments. It's really cowardly.

This is just a dressed up way of saying that that you think it looks like one. - D'uuuh. It looks exactly like a Mannlicher Carcano for a reason.

That's some "glance". - Wow! He managed to see it was a rifle with a scope and it had a sling! All in one glance!! Who is this guy? Rain Man? How could he pick up so much information with a single glance?
Okay, so he got the make and model of the rifle wrong but come on. It's like something out of the Matrix how he could just look at something, for hardly any amount of time, and almost correctly describe what he saw.
A truly staggering achievement.
It really is one for books.
I'm almost as impressed as you are by this guy's uncanny ability to look at something and just, like, y'know - see it

It is a fact that the images of rifle I posted in this thread are good enough to establish, for a fact, that the rifle seen in the Alyea footage is not a Mauser of any description. 

[John Iacoletti]

It is a fact that the images of rifle I posted in this thread are good enough to establish, for a fact, that the rifle seen in the Alyea footage is not a Mauser of any description. 

It's a fact, because you say it's a fact.

QED

 

By the way, I'm not the one here making snide remarks.  You seem to think that sarcasm somehow turns opinion into fact.

[Dan O'meara]

It's a fact, because you say it's a fact.

I'm just pointing out that it is a fact.
Just because you don't think it is a fact means nothing.
Literally, nothing.

By the way, I'm not the one here making snide remarks.  You seem to think that sarcasm somehow turns opinion into fact.

 
I like the way you start off by saying it's not you making snide remarks and then you make a snide remark!!
You really are priceless.

The rifle removed from the boxed enclosure as filmed by Tom Alyea is a Mannlicher Carcano - fact.
It is not a Mauser - fact.
There's nothing you can do about it - fact.

[John Iacoletti]

I'm just pointing out that it is a fact.
Just because you don't think it is a fact means nothing.
Literally, nothing.

Priceless, indeed.

Just because you do think it is a fact means nothing.