Is the amount of effort to link Oswald to Hidell believable?

[John Mytton]

Imagine the coincidence that someone using the same name that Oswald used as an alias ordering a rifle to be delivered to his PO Box without that being part of a conspiracy to frame Oswald! And that rifle having the same serial number as the one left at the TSBD.  Comedy gold.  LOL.  No one can believe that is what these contrarians loons are peddling.  They recognize the absurdity of the conspiracy narrative.  So they don't want to acknowledge or defend it but they are clearly implying a massive conspiracy to assassinate JFK, frame Oswald for the crime using fabricated evidence that derives from numerous different sources over a period of years, and then also implicate him in the Walker attempt and Tippit murders.

At first studying the the ins and outs of the assassination was what was most interesting but now that pales next to the crazy mental gymnastics on display from these contrarians, and watching them make the most outrageous suggestions and conclusions is as you say "comedy gold".

JohnM

[John Mytton]

Imagine how hard it is for anybody to handwrite a number on a piece of paper. So hard that it must require a massive conspiracy.

Finally we're getting somewhere, so it wasn't a massive conspiracy but a handwritten number on a piece of paper? LOL

Btw what number on what piece of paper, then we discuss the further ramifications of where a handwritten number on a piece of paper goes? K?

JohnM

[John Iacoletti]

Finally we're getting somewhere, so it wasn't a massive conspiracy but a handwritten number on a piece of paper? LOL

Is this your way of admitting that this “massive conspiracy” thing is just a strawman?

LOL.

Don’t try to shift the burden again. What’s your evidence that CE139 went through the postal service, was delivered to Dallas, and was signed for and picked up by Oswald? And try to answer without lying about the actual evidence or making up false dichotomies. You can either prove it or you cannot.

[John Mytton]

Is this your way of admitting that this “massive conspiracy” thing is just a strawman?

LOL.

Don’t try to shift the burden again. What’s your evidence that CE139 went through the postal service, was delivered to Dallas, and was signed for and picked up by Oswald? And try to answer without lying about the actual evidence or making up false dichotomies. You can either prove it or you cannot.

Stop running John, I asked you a simple question, "what number on what piece of paper, then we discuss the further ramifications of where a handwritten number on a piece of paper goes?"

JohnM

[John Iacoletti]

Nope, not playing your game.

“Richard” claimed that a rifle having the same serial number as the one found in the Depository was delivered to Oswald’s PO Box, and if it wasn’t then a massive conspiracy was required.

There is in fact no evidence for either claim. If you’re going to go down another rabbit-hole of speculation you can do it without my help.

[Richard Smith]

At first studying the the ins and outs of the assassination was what was most interesting but now that pales next to the crazy mental gymnastics on display from these contrarians, and watching them make the most outrageous suggestions and conclusions is as you say "comedy gold".

JohnM

It is truly amazing that the contrarian brothers can attack the evidence of Oswald's guilt on the one hand as the potential product of fabrication, and then turn around without missing a beat to contend that they are not suggesting a conspiracy.   If "PP" is circled on Klein's form indicating that they shipped a rifle via parcel post to Oswald's PO Box, the contrarians argue this doesn't prove they shipped the rifle.  We are told that "anyone" could have circled PP or wrote the serial number of the rifle on the form.  Who and why these mysterious people are doing this if not part of a conspiracy to frame Oswald?  We will never know because that is where the contrarians go down the endless circular rabbit hole of lunacy.  We are told they aren't claiming anything and have no burden of proof.  Why?  Because they recognize the absurdity of these alternative explanations having any validity.  They don't want to defend them because they make no sense, lack even a scintilla of support, and are otherwise entirely baseless.  It is defense attorney nonsense.

[Martin Weidmann]

It is truly amazing that the contrarian brothers can attack the evidence of Oswald's guilt on the one hand as the potential product of fabrication, and then turn around without missing a beat to contend that they are not suggesting a conspiracy.   If "PP" is circled on Klein's form indicating that they shipped a rifle via parcel post to Oswald's PO Box, the contrarians argue this doesn't prove they shipped the rifle.  We are told that "anyone" could have circled PP or wrote the serial number of the rifle on the form.  Who and why these mysterious people are doing this if not part of a conspiracy to frame Oswald?  We will never know because that is where the contrarians go down the endless circular rabbit hole of lunacy.  We are told they aren't claiming anything and have no burden of proof.  Why?  Because they recognize the absurdity of these alternative explanations having any validity.  They don't want to defend them because they make no sense, lack even a scintilla of support, and are otherwise entirely baseless.  It is defense attorney nonsense.

Says the pseudo prosecutor who simply can not demonstrate that Waldman 7 is an authentic document.

It is truly amazing that the contrarian brothers can attack the evidence of Oswald's guilt on the one hand as the potential product of fabrication,

Asking for authentication of the evidence is, in an LN mind, "attacking the evidence"?  HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Steve M. Galbraith]

It is truly amazing that the contrarian brothers can attack the evidence of Oswald's guilt on the one hand as the potential product of fabrication, and then turn around without missing a beat to contend that they are not suggesting a conspiracy.   If "PP" is circled on Klein's form indicating that they shipped a rifle via parcel post to Oswald's PO Box, the contrarians argue this doesn't prove they shipped the rifle.  We are told that "anyone" could have circled PP or wrote the serial number of the rifle on the form.  Who and why these mysterious people are doing this if not part of a conspiracy to frame Oswald?  We will never know because that is where the contrarians go down the endless circular rabbit hole of lunacy.  We are told they aren't claiming anything and have no burden of proof.  Why?  Because they recognize the absurdity of these alternative explanations having any validity.  They don't want to defend them because they make no sense, lack even a scintilla of support, and are otherwise entirely baseless.  It is defense attorney nonsense.

This evidence or material or information or data (whatever term one wants to use) exists. How did it come to be? How was it created? Who made it?  It's either the creation of the company or, more accurately, people working for it or it was the creation of someone else. Some thing or some body made it. It's not in a quantum world of existing and not existing (although who knows, that may be their next idea).

So who made it? We say it was Kleins. They say? They won't answer. They can't answer, as you point out, because an alternate answer exposes the absurdity of their claims that it's not authentic, of their attempts to make it disappear. It exists. It's either authentic or faked. If it's not authentic then it's faked. By who? The honest conspiracists give us an answer: "the government".  The not so honest conspiracists give us silence.