The Next Speaker of the House

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Offline Joe Elliott

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The Next Speaker of the House
« on: January 05, 2023, 01:34:32 AM »

I hope, before this is all over, Kevin McCarthy breaks down and shouts during the debate in the House:

Help! Wait! Stop! Stop and listen to me!... These people who're coming after me are not human!
Look, you fools, you're in danger! Can't you see?! They're after you! They're after all of us! Our wives, our children, everyone! THEY'RE HERE, ALREADY! YOU'RE NEXT!
Don't just sit there measuring me for a straightjacket, do something! Call for help! Oh, what's the use?!
Doctor, will you tell these fools? I'm not crazy. Make them listen to me before it's too late.

Offline Richard Smith

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Re: The Next Speaker of the House
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2023, 03:50:38 PM »
I hope, before this is all over, Kevin McCarthy breaks down and shouts during the debate in the House:

Help! Wait! Stop! Stop and listen to me!... These people who're coming after me are not human!
Look, you fools, you're in danger! Can't you see?! They're after you! They're after all of us! Our wives, our children, everyone! THEY'RE HERE, ALREADY! YOU'RE NEXT!
Don't just sit there measuring me for a straightjacket, do something! Call for help! Oh, what's the use?!
Doctor, will you tell these fools? I'm not crazy. Make them listen to me before it's too late.

It's amazing that in modern society a debate about, for example, who should be Speaker is deemed a "fiasco" or "chaos."  The leftist media suggests that any dissent to the political establishment is a challenge to democracy by fanatics and nuts.  What difference does it make if it takes a week or longer to pick the speaker?  That is how a democracy should work.  Better to pick the best person than act like sheep rubber stamping the corrupt politicians who have a stranglehold on power and feel as though they rule by divine right. 

Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: The Next Speaker of the House
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2023, 04:22:58 PM »
It's amazing that in modern society a debate about, for example, who should be Speaker is deemed a "fiasco" or "chaos."  The leftist media suggests that any dissent to the political establishment is a challenge to democracy by fanatics and nuts.  What difference does it make if it takes a week or longer to pick the speaker?  That is how a democracy should work.  Better to pick the best person than act like sheep rubber stamping the corrupt politicians who have a stranglehold on power and feel as though they rule by divine right.

a debate about, for example, who should be Speaker is deemed a "fiasco" or "chaos."

This isn't a debate. Not by a long shot. Even Trump has called the 20 extreme rightwingers, who are holding the House hostage,  embarrasing. It's a minority that is trying to impose their will on the majority. Nothing could be further away from a democracy as that.

Offline Jon Banks

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Re: The Next Speaker of the House
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2023, 06:48:29 PM »
It's amazing that in modern society a debate about, for example, who should be Speaker is deemed a "fiasco" or "chaos."  The leftist media suggests that any dissent to the political establishment is a challenge to democracy by fanatics and nuts.  What difference does it make if it takes a week or longer to pick the speaker?  That is how a democracy should work.  Better to pick the best person than act like sheep rubber stamping the corrupt politicians who have a stranglehold on power and feel as though they rule by divine right.

I disagree with your description of the media as "Leftist" which implies social democracy or socialism. The mainstream media leans towards Center-Left Liberalism which tends to be very pro-establishment or pro-authority.

Leftists tend to be skeptical of the government and the political establishment. Which distinguishes them from Liberals.

Aside from that, I agree that having a long drawn out debate in Congress is the way democracy is supposed to work. Legislators aren't supposed to be a rubber-stamp for whatever the party bosses decide in their smoke filled rooms.

In parliamentary systems, it's not uncommon for the legislators to take weeks or months to choose leaders and form a governing coalition. That's the way democracies are supposed to function. 
 

Offline Richard Smith

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Re: The Next Speaker of the House
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2023, 08:16:19 PM »
a debate about, for example, who should be Speaker is deemed a "fiasco" or "chaos."

This isn't a debate. Not by a long shot. Even Trump has called the 20 extreme rightwingers, who are holding the House hostage,  embarrasing. It's a minority that is trying to impose their will on the majority. Nothing could be further away from a democracy as that.

This is operating pursuant to the rules.  For good or ill, this is how it is done.  What would you suggest happen here?  An insurrection because you don't like the legal process?  LOL.  Of course, the Dems could end this by having a handful vote for McCarthy.  So they as a group are as responsible for the stalemate as any republican.

Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: The Next Speaker of the House
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2023, 08:25:27 PM »
This is operating pursuant to the rules.  For good or ill, this is how it is done.  What would you suggest happen here?  An insurrection because you don't like the legal process?  LOL.  Of course, the Dems could end this by having a handful vote for McCarthy.  So they as a group are as responsible for the stalemate as any republican.

An insurrection because you don't like the legal process?

No, we already had that on January 6th... remember?

Of course, the Dems could end this by having a handful vote for McCarthy.  So they as a group are as responsible for the stalemate as any republican.

How typical Republican, just blame the Democrats for everything. Sad.

Btw, to break the deadlock as well as the extreme right minorities agenda some more reasonable Republicans could do the country a service and simply vote for Jeffries. It would only take 6 of them to get the House back on track.

Offline Richard Smith

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Re: The Next Speaker of the House
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2023, 09:22:40 PM »
An insurrection because you don't like the legal process?

No, we already had that on January 6th... remember?

Of course, the Dems could end this by having a handful vote for McCarthy.  So they as a group are as responsible for the stalemate as any republican.

How typical Republican, just blame the Democrats for everything. Sad.

Btw, to break the deadlock as well as the extreme right minorities agenda some more reasonable Republicans could do the country a service and simply vote for Jeffries. It would only take 6 of them to get the House back on track.

The Dems have ample votes to end the gridlock.   If this is such a crisis being created by a handful of radicals with disastrous results for the country, a few Dems merely have to vote for McCarthy to end it.  Are you suggesting the Dems are putting politics ahead of national interests?  The Republicans won a majority of the seats pursuant to the democratic process.  It is unrealistic to suggest that the solution is for the majority to usurp the will of the people and select someone from the minority party.  A Republican will become speaker because that is what US citizens decided when they voted for more Republicans than Democrats.  It's just a matter of when.  And if it takes days or weeks, so be it.  Don't worry.  "Europe" is still getting its money.  You won't have to pay for education or health care or even get a job.  Just ride the wave of socialism paid for by Americans.