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Off Topic => News - Off Topic - Weird & Wacky => Topic started by: Joe Elliott on January 05, 2023, 01:34:32 AM
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I hope, before this is all over, Kevin McCarthy breaks down and shouts during the debate in the House:
Help! Wait! Stop! Stop and listen to me!... These people who're coming after me are not human!
Look, you fools, you're in danger! Can't you see?! They're after you! They're after all of us! Our wives, our children, everyone! THEY'RE HERE, ALREADY! YOU'RE NEXT!
Don't just sit there measuring me for a straightjacket, do something! Call for help! Oh, what's the use?!
Doctor, will you tell these fools? I'm not crazy. Make them listen to me before it's too late.
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I hope, before this is all over, Kevin McCarthy breaks down and shouts during the debate in the House:
Help! Wait! Stop! Stop and listen to me!... These people who're coming after me are not human!
Look, you fools, you're in danger! Can't you see?! They're after you! They're after all of us! Our wives, our children, everyone! THEY'RE HERE, ALREADY! YOU'RE NEXT!
Don't just sit there measuring me for a straightjacket, do something! Call for help! Oh, what's the use?!
Doctor, will you tell these fools? I'm not crazy. Make them listen to me before it's too late.
It's amazing that in modern society a debate about, for example, who should be Speaker is deemed a "fiasco" or "chaos." The leftist media suggests that any dissent to the political establishment is a challenge to democracy by fanatics and nuts. What difference does it make if it takes a week or longer to pick the speaker? That is how a democracy should work. Better to pick the best person than act like sheep rubber stamping the corrupt politicians who have a stranglehold on power and feel as though they rule by divine right.
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It's amazing that in modern society a debate about, for example, who should be Speaker is deemed a "fiasco" or "chaos." The leftist media suggests that any dissent to the political establishment is a challenge to democracy by fanatics and nuts. What difference does it make if it takes a week or longer to pick the speaker? That is how a democracy should work. Better to pick the best person than act like sheep rubber stamping the corrupt politicians who have a stranglehold on power and feel as though they rule by divine right.
a debate about, for example, who should be Speaker is deemed a "fiasco" or "chaos."
This isn't a debate. Not by a long shot. Even Trump has called the 20 extreme rightwingers, who are holding the House hostage, embarrasing. It's a minority that is trying to impose their will on the majority. Nothing could be further away from a democracy as that.
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It's amazing that in modern society a debate about, for example, who should be Speaker is deemed a "fiasco" or "chaos." The leftist media suggests that any dissent to the political establishment is a challenge to democracy by fanatics and nuts. What difference does it make if it takes a week or longer to pick the speaker? That is how a democracy should work. Better to pick the best person than act like sheep rubber stamping the corrupt politicians who have a stranglehold on power and feel as though they rule by divine right.
I disagree with your description of the media as "Leftist" which implies social democracy or socialism. The mainstream media leans towards Center-Left Liberalism which tends to be very pro-establishment or pro-authority.
Leftists tend to be skeptical of the government and the political establishment. Which distinguishes them from Liberals.
Aside from that, I agree that having a long drawn out debate in Congress is the way democracy is supposed to work. Legislators aren't supposed to be a rubber-stamp for whatever the party bosses decide in their smoke filled rooms.
In parliamentary systems, it's not uncommon for the legislators to take weeks or months to choose leaders and form a governing coalition. That's the way democracies are supposed to function.
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a debate about, for example, who should be Speaker is deemed a "fiasco" or "chaos."
This isn't a debate. Not by a long shot. Even Trump has called the 20 extreme rightwingers, who are holding the House hostage, embarrasing. It's a minority that is trying to impose their will on the majority. Nothing could be further away from a democracy as that.
This is operating pursuant to the rules. For good or ill, this is how it is done. What would you suggest happen here? An insurrection because you don't like the legal process? LOL. Of course, the Dems could end this by having a handful vote for McCarthy. So they as a group are as responsible for the stalemate as any republican.
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This is operating pursuant to the rules. For good or ill, this is how it is done. What would you suggest happen here? An insurrection because you don't like the legal process? LOL. Of course, the Dems could end this by having a handful vote for McCarthy. So they as a group are as responsible for the stalemate as any republican.
An insurrection because you don't like the legal process?
No, we already had that on January 6th... remember?
Of course, the Dems could end this by having a handful vote for McCarthy. So they as a group are as responsible for the stalemate as any republican.
How typical Republican, just blame the Democrats for everything. Sad.
Btw, to break the deadlock as well as the extreme right minorities agenda some more reasonable Republicans could do the country a service and simply vote for Jeffries. It would only take 6 of them to get the House back on track.
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An insurrection because you don't like the legal process?
No, we already had that on January 6th... remember?
Of course, the Dems could end this by having a handful vote for McCarthy. So they as a group are as responsible for the stalemate as any republican.
How typical Republican, just blame the Democrats for everything. Sad.
Btw, to break the deadlock as well as the extreme right minorities agenda some more reasonable Republicans could do the country a service and simply vote for Jeffries. It would only take 6 of them to get the House back on track.
The Dems have ample votes to end the gridlock. If this is such a crisis being created by a handful of radicals with disastrous results for the country, a few Dems merely have to vote for McCarthy to end it. Are you suggesting the Dems are putting politics ahead of national interests? The Republicans won a majority of the seats pursuant to the democratic process. It is unrealistic to suggest that the solution is for the majority to usurp the will of the people and select someone from the minority party. A Republican will become speaker because that is what US citizens decided when they voted for more Republicans than Democrats. It's just a matter of when. And if it takes days or weeks, so be it. Don't worry. "Europe" is still getting its money. You won't have to pay for education or health care or even get a job. Just ride the wave of socialism paid for by Americans.
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The Dems have ample votes to end the gridlock. If this is such a crisis being created by a handful of radicals with disastrous results for the country, a few Dems merely have to vote for McCarthy to end it. Are you suggesting the Dems are putting politics ahead of national interests? The Republicans won a majority of the seats pursuant to the democratic process. It is unrealistic to suggest that the solution is for the majority to usurp the will of the people and select someone from the minority party. A Republican will become speaker because that is what US citizens decided when they voted for more Republicans than Democrats. It's just a matter of when. And if it takes days or weeks, so be it. Don't worry. "Europe" is still getting its money. You won't have to pay for education or health care or even get a job. Just ride the wave of socialism paid for by Americans.
If this is such a crisis being created by a handful of radicals with disastrous results for the country, a few Dems merely have to vote for McCarthy to end it.
The Republicans are the majority party. Why should the Democrats have to help a party that can't even get their own house in order solve a problem they themselves have created. When Democrats give McCarthy the support he needs, all they will get in return is obstruction for the next two years. That's not in the interests of the American people!
Are you suggesting the Dems are putting politics ahead of national interests?
No not at all. It's not in the national interest to have a weak speaker as McCarthy who can't even keep the extreme right wing of his party under control. McCarthy offers no guarantee that any serious business will be done in the House for the next two years. It would be far better when the majority of the Republicans come to an agreement with Jeffries in order to get actual work down and reduce the possibilities for the extreme right wingers to advance their own agenda. All it would take is 6 well minded Republicans to end this farce and some Republicans are already beginning to talk about that option. It won't take long before some of McCarthy's backers get so fed up with this mess that they decided to take that route.
The Republicans won a majority of the seats pursuant to the democratic process. It is unrealistic to suggest that the solution is for the majority to usurp the will of the people and select someone from the minority party.
But it is "realistic" that an extreme right wing minority (for which most Republican voters did not vote) hijack the party and House and hold it hostage to push through their catastrophic agenda, in the full knowledge that it will never work? They don't have an alternative, and even if they did, they will never get the majority of the votes.
Don't worry. "Europe" is still getting its money. You won't have to pay for education or health care or even get a job. Just ride the wave of socialism paid for by Americans.
Whatever caused your head injury? Are you really this stupid and/or ignorant to believe that America is paying for education, health care and schools in Europe?
You really need to stop parroting all the bogus right wing propaganda and educate yourself before you say something as silly as this again.
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If this is such a crisis being created by a handful of radicals with disastrous results for the country, a few Dems merely have to vote for McCarthy to end it.
The Republicans are the majority party. Why should the Democrats have to help a party that can't even get their own house in order solve a problem they themselves have created. When Democrats give McCarthy the support he needs, all they will get in return is obstruction for the next two years. That's not in the interests of the American people!
Are you suggesting the Dems are putting politics ahead of national interests?
No not at all. It's not in the national interest to have a weak speaker as McCarthy who can't even keep the extreme right wing of his party under control. McCarthy offers no guarantee that any serious business will be done in the House for the next two years. It would be far better when the majority of the Republicans come to an agreement with Jeffries in order to get actual work down and reduce the possibilities for the extreme right wingers to advance their own agenda. All it would take is 6 well minded Republicans to end this farce and some Republicans are already beginning to talk about that option. It won't take long before some of McCarthy's backers get so fed up with this mess that they decided to take that route.
The Republicans won a majority of the seats pursuant to the democratic process. It is unrealistic to suggest that the solution is for the majority to usurp the will of the people and select someone from the minority party.
But it is "realistic" that an extreme right wing minority (for which most Republican voters did not vote) hijack the party and House and hold it hostage to push through their catastrophic agenda, in the full knowledge that it will never work? They don't have an alternative, and even if they did, they will never get the majority of the votes.
Don't worry. "Europe" is still getting its money. You won't have to pay for education or health care or even get a job. Just ride the wave of socialism paid for by Americans.
Whatever caused your head injury? Are you really this stupid and/or ignorant to believe that America is paying for education, health care and schools in Europe?
You really need to stop parroting all the bogus right wing propaganda and educate yourself before you say something as silly as this again.
Sounds like you agree with the "radical" right wingers that McCarthy shouldn't be the Speaker. Thank goodness they have taken a stand instead of acting like sheep. Jeffries is an election denier. He claimed that the Russian interfered in the 2016 election to influence the outcome. One of the greatest fake conspiracy theories in history. He should be impeached. The US does pay for the socialist programs of "Europe." First, Europe would still be controlled by the Nazis if not for the US. Second, the US has stupidly paid for the defense of "Europe" for the last 70 years and counting. Because "Europe" does not have to pay for their own defense, they are free to spend money in other ways like education and health care. If some other country had paid for the national defense of the US for the last 70 decades, there would be ample funds for every such cause. Instead our corrupt politicians have opted for endless war to control the money and funnel it to their supporters who ensure their reelections and enrich their families.
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Sounds like you agree with the "radical" right wingers that McCarthy shouldn't be the Speaker. Thank goodness they have taken a stand instead of acting like sheep. Jeffries is an election denier. He claimed that the Russian interfered in the 2016 election to influence the outcome. One of the greatest fake conspiracy theories in history. He should be impeached. The US does pay for the socialist programs of "Europe." First, Europe would still be controlled by the Nazis if not for the US. Second, the US has stupidly paid for the defense of "Europe" for the last 70 years and counting. Because "Europe" does not have to pay for their own defense, they are free to spend money in other ways like education and health care. If some other country had paid for the national defense of the US for the last 70 decades, there would be ample funds for every such cause. Instead our corrupt politicians have opted for endless war to control the money and funnel it to their supporters who ensure their reelections and enrich their families.
Sounds like you agree with the "radical" right wingers that McCarthy shouldn't be the Speaker.
I couldn't care less. It would be a choice between two evils; McCarthy and the alternative..... but wait, those extremist right wingers don't even have a credible alternative. HAHAHAHAHA
Thank goodness they have taken a stand instead of acting like sheep.
Instead they are acting like idiots. The majority of the Republican members (those who are supporting McCarthy now) will never ever accept anybody put forward by those rebels. Which is exactly why McCarthy would be foolish to withdraw, as the person who would succeed him would suffer under the same blackmail by the extremists. The incompetence of the Republican party is on full display here!
Jeffries is an election denier. He claimed that the Russian interfered in the 2016 election to influence the outcome. One of the greatest fake conspiracy theories in history. He should be impeached.
Hilarious. All the extremists, who don't have any constructive plans to benefit the American people, can do is call for the impeachment of just about anybody they can think of.
The US does pay for the socialist programs of "Europe."
BS... You can't even name a so-called socialist country in Europe.
First, Europe would still be controlled by the Nazis if not for the US.
Really? Are you forgetting the Russians? They were in Berlin first. Which is also the main reason for the US to be in that war. They couldn't afford to lose Europe to the Russians.
Second, the US has stupidly paid for the defense of "Europe" for the last 70 years and counting.
Regardless of the propaganda crap you have swallowed hook line and sinker, the US hasn't paid for the defense of Europe. What they have done, just like Canada, is pay for NATO and the defense of the Free western world. There was nothing altruistic about those payments.
Because "Europe" does not have to pay for their own defense, they are free to spend money in other ways like education and health care.
It is simply not true that Europe (do you perhaps think that it is one country?) does not pay for their own defense. In fact, to date the European countries combined have paid more to help Ukraine than the US has. The difference is that the US is supplying miltairy equipment and European aid goes to supporting infrastructure etc.
If some other country had paid for the national defense of the US for the last 70 decades, there would be ample funds for every such cause. Instead our corrupt politicians have opted for endless war to control the money and funnel it to their supporters who ensure their reelections and enrich their families.
And that would include the tax breaks for the wealthy, the Republicans like so much, right?
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Sounds like you agree with the "radical" right wingers that McCarthy shouldn't be the Speaker.
I couldn't care less. It would be a choice between two evils; McCarthy and the alternative..... but wait, those extremist right wingers don't even have a credible alternative. HAHAHAHAHA
Thank goodness they have taken a stand instead of acting like sheep.
Instead they are acting like idiots. The majority of the Republican members (those who are supporting McCarthy now) will never ever accept anybody put forward by those rebels. Which is exactly why McCarthy would be foolish to withdraw, as the person who would succeed him would suffer under the same blackmail by the extremists. The incompetence of the Republican party is on full display here!
Jeffries is an election denier. He claimed that the Russian interfered in the 2016 election to influence the outcome. One of the greatest fake conspiracy theories in history. He should be impeached.
Hilarious. All the extremists, who don't have any constructive plans to benefit the American people, can do is call for the impeachment of just about anybody they can think of.
The US does pay for the socialist programs of "Europe."
BS... You can't even name a so-called socialist country in Europe.
First, Europe would still be controlled by the Nazis if not for the US.
Really? Are you forgetting the Russians? They were in Berlin first. Which is also the main reason for the US to be in that war. They couldn't afford to lose Europe to the Russians.
Second, the US has stupidly paid for the defense of "Europe" for the last 70 years and counting.
Regardless of the propaganda crap you have swallowed hook line and sinker, the US hasn't paid for the defense of Europe. What they have done, just like Canada, is pay for NATO and the defense of the Free western world. There was nothing altruistic about those payments.
Because "Europe" does not have to pay for their own defense, they are free to spend money in other ways like education and health care.
It is simply not true that Europe (do you perhaps think that it is one country?) does not pay for their own defense. In fact, to date the European countries combined have paid more to help Ukraine than the US has. The difference is that the US is supplying miltairy equipment and European aid goes to supporting infrastructure etc.
If some other country had paid for the national defense of the US for the last 70 decades, there would be ample funds for every such cause. Instead our corrupt politicians have opted for endless war to control the money and funnel it to their supporters who ensure their reelections and enrich their families.
And that would include the tax breaks for the wealthy, the Republicans like so much, right?
For someone who "couldn't care less" you sure have expended a lot of words on the topic. And the Russians were going to save "Europe" during WWII? Maybe read your history books. It was the Russians who invaded Poland in 1939. You would be speaking Russian if the US had not liberated "Europe." The US has provided more aid to Ukraine than all of the countries in the entire world combined. Not just "Europe." Much of the limited aid provided by "Europe" to Ukraine had been compensated by the US.
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For someone who "couldn't care less" you sure have expended a lot of words on the topic. And the Russians were going to save "Europe" during WWII? Maybe read your history books. It was the Russians who invaded Poland in 1939. You would be speaking Russian if the US had not liberated "Europe." The US has provided more aid to Ukraine than all of the countries in the entire world combined. Not just "Europe." Much of the limited aid provided by "Europe" to Ukraine had been compensated by the US.
You would be speaking Russian if the US had not liberated "Europe."
Moving the goalposts again? Earlier you said "Europe would still be controlled by the Nazis if not for the US" which simply wasn't true.
It blew up in your face because the Soviets were in Berlin way before the Western Allies.
The US didn't liberate Europe. At least not most of it. More than half of Europe came under Russian control for decades and there was nothing the US could do to prevent that.
And the other part was liberated by the Western Allies of which the US was one, which is why Stalin and Truman were not the only ones at Cecilienhof and why Berlin was broken up in four sectors!
But you probably wouldn't know any of that, as you, unlike me, have never been there and most likely have to look up what Cecilienhof is.
The US has provided more aid to Ukraine than all of the countries in the entire world combined.
That's simply not true.
Much of the limited aid provided by "Europe" to Ukraine had been compensated by the US.
And that's not true either.
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A magnificent display of Democracy in which Trump brokered the final deal. So much winning! It's great to see a process in which the American people are the beneficiaries instead of just the corrupt political establishment. The Dems just vote like sheep for whatever they are told by their corrupt establishment leaders. Some Republicans have begun to push back. Hopefully this means the stranglehold over power by a handful of corrupt politicians like Pelosi and McConnell is coming to an end. The pundits on CNN were almost in tears. They couldn't believe that the establishment would be forced to concede some of its power. No dissent is allowed. And on the same day they arrested the mother of Ashli Babbitt for protesting her murder on Jan 6 by the Capitol Police. Shameful.
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A magnificent display of Democracy in which Trump brokered the final deal. So much winning! It's great to see a process in which the American people are the beneficiaries instead of just the corrupt political establishment. The Dems just vote like sheep for whatever they are told by their corrupt establishment leaders. Some Republicans have begun to push back. Hopefully this means the stranglehold over power by a handful of corrupt politicians like Pelosi and McConnell is coming to an end. The pundits on CNN were almost in tears. They couldn't believe that the establishment would be forced to concede some of its power. No dissent is allowed. And on the same day they arrested the mother of Ashli Babbitt for protesting her murder on Jan 6 by the Capitol Police. Shameful.
A magnificent display of Democracy in which Trump brokered the final deal. So much winning!
Hilarious! Trump brokered nothing.
It's great to see a process in which the American people are the beneficiaries instead of just the corrupt political establishment.
So, now the American people are the beneficiaries with McCarthy as speaker? Now, he's suddenly no longer part of the corrupt establishment?
:D
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A magnificent display of Democracy in which Trump brokered the final deal. So much winning!
Hilarious! Trump brokered nothing.
It's great to see a process in which the American people are the beneficiaries instead of just the corrupt political establishment.
So, now the American people are the beneficiaries with McCarthy as speaker? Now, he's suddenly no longer part of the corrupt establishment?
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It is not possible to end the entrenched stranglehold that the corrupt political establishment has over American politics in one day. It has to be changed gradually. The holdouts received concessions that will improve the process by decentralizing the power of the Speaker. Magnificent. Trump saves the day once again. If only "Europe" had a figure like Trump instead of weak socialist leaders.
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It is not possible to end the entrenched stranglehold that the corrupt political establishment has over American politics in one day. It has to be changed gradually. The holdouts received concessions that will improve the process by decentralizing the power of the Speaker. Magnificent. Trump saves the day once again. If only "Europe" had a figure like Trump instead of weak socialist leaders.
You still haven't been able to name even one European country that is socialist. Why is that?
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"To secure to each labourer the whole product of his labour,
or as nearly as possible, is a most worthy object of any
good government." -- A. Lincoln
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"To secure to each labourer the whole product of his labour,
or as nearly as possible, is a most worthy object of any
good government." -- A. Lincoln
(https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/faa/16a/1bbdc05ee1cc81e3a87559778eec31650b-14-inequality-1.w710.png)
Yes. It's hard to argue against this post. American needs to do better. And I believe that electing Democrats will help us do better. Though maybe not well enough. But certainly better than electing Republicans.
Of course, the U. S., on the whole has gotten a good deal wealthier in the last 40 years. So a graph of real wealth, not relative wealth, would show the wealthy getting much wealthier, while the poor remain the same, or go up a modest amount.
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Yes. It's hard to argue against this post. American needs to do better. And I believe that electing Democrats will help us do better. Though maybe not well enough. But certainly better than electing Republicans.
We could do better if we stopped sending all our money to "Europe" and the rest of the world. They can only afford their socialist programs because the US has paid for their national defense for over seven decades and counting. Imagine if the US could have spent the money allocated to defense to other purposes for the last 70 years. Trillions. Our schools, medical services, and other programs could have been funded beyond the wildest dreams of anyone.
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We could do better if we stopped sending all our money to "Europe" and the rest of the world. They can only afford their socialist programs because the US has paid for their national defense for over seven decades and counting. Imagine if the US could have spent the money allocated to defense to other purposes for the last 70 years. Trillions. Our schools, medical services, and other programs could have been funded beyond the wildest dreams of anyone.
Wow. We're in agreement again. President Eisenhower was right about the Military Industrial Complex.
The circumstances are worse now because we've outsourced most of our civilian manufacturing to other countries. So our manufacturing economy sort of relies on Defense spending given that most of that stuff is manufactured here. Members of Congress don't want to cut spending that creates jobs for their districts.
And yes, Europe can spend more on social programs because they've outsourced their national defense to us. It would be nice if even a quarter of the money we spend on Defense was put towards free college for people who want to become nurses, engineers, computer programmers, etc. America desperately needs more skilled workers. The government could use incentives like free college (for careers like those that I mentioned) to get more Americans into skilled professions.
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Wow. We're in agreement again. President Eisenhower was right about the Military Industrial Complex.
The circumstances are worse now because we've outsourced most of our civilian manufacturing to other countries. So our manufacturing economy sort of relies on Defense spending given that most of that stuff is manufactured here. Members of Congress don't want to cut spending that creates jobs for their districts.
And yes, Europe can spend more on social programs because they've outsourced their national defense to us. It would be nice if even a quarter of the money we spend on Defense was put towards free college for people who want to become nurses, engineers, computer programmers, etc. America desperately needs more skilled workers. The government could use incentives like free college (for careers like those that I mentioned) to get more Americans into skilled professions.
Yes, socialism is a piece of cake if you can find another country that is willing to pay for it. And the corrupt US political establishment thrives on spending this money. It goes to lobbyists and cronies who support their political campaigns and hire their relatives and friends making them millions. A vicious circle of corruption with folks like the Bidens and Bush families stealing the country blind. The wars and fear mongering are the incentive to gain access to this money. No one is ever held accountable for the lies. Think of all the politicians, generals, and "experts" who claimed things were going well in Afghanistan for decades. All of them were outright liars or incompetents or both.
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I hope, before this is all over, Kevin McCarthy breaks down and shouts during the debate in the House:
Help! Wait! Stop! Stop and listen to me!... These people who're coming after me are not human!
Look, you fools, you're in danger! Can't you see?! They're after you! They're after all of us! Our wives, our children, everyone! THEY'RE HERE, ALREADY! YOU'RE NEXT!
Don't just sit there measuring me for a straightjacket, do something! Call for help! Oh, what's the use?!
Doctor, will you tell these fools? I'm not crazy. Make them listen to me before it's too late.
Such polemic paints you as a wingnut, as a fringe liberal.
I do agree that the delay in electing McCarthy as Speaker was embarrassing, but your rhetoric goes to a fringe extreme.
Both parties have their hardline (far-left, far-right) wings. I wonder if the hardline Republicans who delayed McCarthy's election have any idea how bad that made the GOP look in the eyes of many mainstream conservatives and sensible centrist independents.