Russians Interference with the 2022 Elections.


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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Russians Interference with the 2022 Elections.
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2022, 04:25:10 PM »
And no doubt the anger generated  by Russiagate was amplified by the hypocrisy over time and was a cause for Jan 6th

I think that the fake conspiracy theories including "Russian collusion" that were perpetuated by the Dems eroded trust in the government and created a lot of anger about the election.  Combined with the abuses of the COVID situation to change the voting laws in almost every state in a way that were most advantageous to the Dems and Trump's stupid rhetoric.  Nevertheless, anyone who committed a crime should have been held accountable.  And most were.  If only that same level of devotion and resources to enforce the rule of law were applied equally to Hunter Biden, the border, and criminals rampaging in every American city, the US would be a lot better off. 

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Re: Russians Interference with the 2022 Elections.
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2022, 04:25:10 PM »


Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: Russians Interference with the 2022 Elections.
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2023, 11:58:21 PM »

I guess you believe they interfered in 16?

Not in a large way. Of course, any world leader, or any publication, or posts made on the internet, or anyone, can effect votes by the statements they made.

The Russians have not controlled any election in the U. S. during the 21st Century, or at any time that I know of. They just want us to think that someone controls the elections. And that someone can be anyone, including themselves. I typical tactic of those who oppose democracy. The best attack, is to suggest that democracy is an illusion. By arguing that elections are fraudulent, or a deep state is really running things, possibly as a result of an assassination. Lots of techniques, all involving the notion that a nation's democracy is an illusion.

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Re: Russians Interference with the 2022 Elections.
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2023, 12:46:03 PM »
Not in a large way. Of course, any world leader, or any publication, or posts made on the internet, or anyone, can effect votes by the statements they made.

The Russians have not controlled any election in the U. S. during the 21st Century, or at any time that I know of. They just want us to think that someone controls the elections. And that someone can be anyone, including themselves. I typical tactic of those who oppose democracy. The best attack, is to suggest that democracy is an illusion. By arguing that elections are fraudulent, or a deep state is really running things, possibly as a result of an assassination. Lots of techniques, all involving the notion that a nation's democracy is an illusion.

Blaming Russia for those increasing attitudes about American democracy among the American public has always seemed like a cop-out to me.

The solution is for Congress to hold the government and the Press accountable for their mistakes and bad behavior (like Frank Church and others did in the 1970s), not to scapegoat foreign adversaries.

We're not a healthy democracy if powerful people are shielded from accountability.

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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Russians Interference with the 2022 Elections.
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2023, 02:09:45 PM »
Blaming Russia for those increasing attitudes about American democracy among the American public has always seemed like a cop-out to me.

The solution is for Congress to hold the government and the Press accountable for their mistakes and bad behavior (like Frank Church and others did in the 1970s), not to scapegoat foreign adversaries.

We're not a healthy democracy if powerful people are shielded from accountability.

This was never about Russia.  It was always about Trump.  The Dems concocted this fake plot as a means to undermine Trump.  They spent most of his presidency investigating this in an attempt to derail his presidency.  It was election denying on a scale that Trump never could dream of.  They knew it was fake.  Making Russia out as the evil empire for years then provided grounds for massive military intervention in Ukraine.  Something Obama had refused to do when Russia invaded Crimea.  Another endless war to replace Afghanistan.  So a win-win for the corrupt establishment politicians.

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Re: Russians Interference with the 2022 Elections.
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2023, 03:11:21 PM »
This was never about Russia.  It was always about Trump.  The Dems concocted this fake plot as a means to undermine Trump.  They spent most of his presidency investigating this in an attempt to derail his presidency.

I agree on that. Rather than address the reasons why so many voters agreed with Trump and even Bernie Sanders' critiques of the political establishment, foreign policy and trade deals, they pivoted to blaming "Russian propaganda" for the anti-establishment mood of Americans who didn't want Hillary Clinton to be President. 

And the fearmongering about Russia continues to be weaponized today to discourage criticism of US policies towards Ukraine. Anyone who doesn't unconditionally support Ukraine or offers the slightest criticism of Biden's policy of unconditional support is labeled "pro-Putin" by some politicians and people in the mainstream media. It's intended to shut down and discourage legitimate policy debates. 

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Re: Russians Interference with the 2022 Elections.
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2023, 11:22:31 AM »
Russia's Prigozhin admits interfering in U.S. elections

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/russias-prigozhin-admits-interfering-us-elections-2022-11-07/

Russia was desperate to help Republicans. In hopes that will reduce aid to Ukraine (fat chance regardless of which party has the majority in the House). That is why the withdraw from Kherson was delayed to after the U. S. Elections. Russia accepted extra casualties in hopes of helping the Republicans.

Russia claims to interfere in U. S. Elections. A spokesman said:

In the 2022 U. S. Elections, the Russians did not remove both kidneys and the liver. Hell, they didn't even trim the fingernails.

Russia want to do two things.
    1. Interfere as must as possible in U. S. Elections. Which does not appear to amount to much.
    2. And then not keep this a secret but to broadcast this 'information'.

The goal? To undermine the people's confidence in elections. Undermining the people's confidence in elections is more important then interfering. Because, if true, releasing this information would allow America to take action to reduce this interference in the future. But hopefully, there are not too many people who fall for this. I certainly hope none at this forum.

You should be embarrassed and ashamed to post this Russian propaganda. Good grief, and you talk about "crazy conspiracy theories," yet you peddle this nuttiness.

And, just FYI, if the Russians were going to help anyone in an election, it certainly would not be the Republicans, because the Republicans have been the ones calling for us to give Ukraine fighter jets and long-range missile systems. The Republicans have, entirely correctly, been critical of Biden's incremental, piecemeal approach to helping Ukraine, not to mention his feckless actions before the invasion.

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