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Off Topic => News - Off Topic - Weird & Wacky => Topic started by: Joe Elliott on November 16, 2022, 01:49:14 PM
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Russia's Prigozhin admits interfering in U.S. elections
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/russias-prigozhin-admits-interfering-us-elections-2022-11-07/
Russia was desperate to help Republicans. In hopes that will reduce aid to Ukraine (fat chance regardless of which party has the majority in the House). That is why the withdraw from Kherson was delayed to after the U. S. Elections. Russia accepted extra casualties in hopes of helping the Republicans.
Russia claims to interfere in U. S. Elections. A spokesman said:
"During our pinpoint operations, we will remove both kidneys and the liver at once," Prigozhin said. He did not elaborate on the cryptic comment.
In the 2022 U. S. Elections, the Russians did not remove both kidneys and the liver. Hell, they didn't even trim the fingernails.
Russia want to do two things.
1. Interfere as must as possible in U. S. Elections. Which does not appear to amount to much.
2. And then not keep this a secret but to broadcast this 'information'.
The goal? To undermine the people's confidence in elections. Undermining the people's confidence in elections is more important then interfering. Because, if true, releasing this information would allow America to take action to reduce this interference in the future. But hopefully, there are not too many people who fall for this. I certainly hope none at this forum.
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I guess you believe they interfered in 16?
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Russia's Prigozhin admits interfering in U.S. elections
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/russias-prigozhin-admits-interfering-us-elections-2022-11-07/
I'm pretty sure he was joking or trolling. Sometimes I wonder if Liberals still have a sense of humor.
Russia and the US have a long history of meddling in each other's domestic politics. It's not something that began in 2016.
Many Russians and some Americans believe that the US, under President Clinton, meddled in Russia's elections in the 1990s.
The U.S. Needs to Face Up to Its Long History of Election Meddling
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/the-us-has-a-long-history-of-election-meddling/565538/
Which may have been part of what motivated Putin to screw with Hillary Clinton in 2016.
But what is the evidence of Russian meddling in the 2022 elections? Which candidates did Russia prefer and how did those candidates perform in the midterms?
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Thats fine but what is the evidence Putin meddled in 16? What we were told was lies, so hopefully there is something else
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Thats fine but what is the evidence Putin meddled in 16? What we were told was lies, so hopefully there is something else
In 2016, I assume that Russia played a role in the email hacks and maybe did some social media manipulation. But I admit that there are still some gaps in terms of Proof that Russia hacked the DNC and Podesta emails.
Short of hard evidence, it was clear based on publicly statements by Russian officials and Russian media in 2016 that they preferred Trump over Hillary. Which is fine. Other countries are allowed to have preferences in our elections.
I don't think that what they did, if it was limited to hacking emails and social media manipulation, affected the outcome of the 2016 election. Hillary narrowly lost because of her baggage (Clinton Fatigue is real) and the FBI's investigation into her handling of State Department emails.
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In 2016, I assume that Russia played a role in the email hacks and maybe did some social media manipulation. But I admit that there are still some gaps in terms of Proof that Russia hacked the DNC and Podesta emails.
Short of hard evidence, it was clear based on publicly statements by Russian officials and Russian media in 2016 that they preferred Trump over Hillary. Which is fine. Other countries are allowed to have preferences in our elections.
I don't think that what they did, if it was limited to hacking emails and social media manipulation, affected the outcome of the 2016 election. Hillary narrowly lost because of her baggage (Clinton Fatigue is real) and the FBI's investigation into her handling of State Department emails.
I don't make too much of this but we were told the Crowdstrike data was conformed by 17 US intelligence agencies was refuted by the DNI at the time James Clapper and that in reality is was only three or four agencies That did not keep the mainstream for continuing the 17 agencies claim Since it was Wikileaks who published the hacked emails no one ever attempted to provide a scintilla of evidence for the connection that Wikileaks got the emails from the Russians Even the Wikileaks founders clearly suggested it was not the Russians
The following article takes it form there
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2020/05/13/hidden_over_2_years_dem_cyber-firms_sworn_testimony_it_had_no_proof_of_russian_hack_of_dnc_123596.html#!
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There is not an iota of evidence that the Russians influenced or changed a single vote in any US election. None. The irony, of course, is that the Dems have pontificated for two years about the evils of Trump questioning election results when they won. A so-called war on democracy. But they perpetuated one of the greatest conspiracy theories in modern history by suggesting, with no evidence whatsoever, that the Trump colluded with the Russians to win the 2016 election. They spent three years making this claim. The hypocrisy is breathtaking. And then impeaching Trump for asking Ukraine to look into Hunter Biden as election interference but completely ignoring Biden asking the Saudis not to cut oil production until after the midterm elections. Unreal.
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And no doubt the anger generated by Russiagate was amplified by the hypocrisy over time and was a cause for Jan 6th
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And no doubt the anger generated by Russiagate was amplified by the hypocrisy over time and was a cause for Jan 6th
I think that the fake conspiracy theories including "Russian collusion" that were perpetuated by the Dems eroded trust in the government and created a lot of anger about the election. Combined with the abuses of the COVID situation to change the voting laws in almost every state in a way that were most advantageous to the Dems and Trump's stupid rhetoric. Nevertheless, anyone who committed a crime should have been held accountable. And most were. If only that same level of devotion and resources to enforce the rule of law were applied equally to Hunter Biden, the border, and criminals rampaging in every American city, the US would be a lot better off.
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I guess you believe they interfered in 16?
Not in a large way. Of course, any world leader, or any publication, or posts made on the internet, or anyone, can effect votes by the statements they made.
The Russians have not controlled any election in the U. S. during the 21st Century, or at any time that I know of. They just want us to think that someone controls the elections. And that someone can be anyone, including themselves. I typical tactic of those who oppose democracy. The best attack, is to suggest that democracy is an illusion. By arguing that elections are fraudulent, or a deep state is really running things, possibly as a result of an assassination. Lots of techniques, all involving the notion that a nation's democracy is an illusion.
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Not in a large way. Of course, any world leader, or any publication, or posts made on the internet, or anyone, can effect votes by the statements they made.
The Russians have not controlled any election in the U. S. during the 21st Century, or at any time that I know of. They just want us to think that someone controls the elections. And that someone can be anyone, including themselves. I typical tactic of those who oppose democracy. The best attack, is to suggest that democracy is an illusion. By arguing that elections are fraudulent, or a deep state is really running things, possibly as a result of an assassination. Lots of techniques, all involving the notion that a nation's democracy is an illusion.
Blaming Russia for those increasing attitudes about American democracy among the American public has always seemed like a cop-out to me.
The solution is for Congress to hold the government and the Press accountable for their mistakes and bad behavior (like Frank Church and others did in the 1970s), not to scapegoat foreign adversaries.
We're not a healthy democracy if powerful people are shielded from accountability.
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Blaming Russia for those increasing attitudes about American democracy among the American public has always seemed like a cop-out to me.
The solution is for Congress to hold the government and the Press accountable for their mistakes and bad behavior (like Frank Church and others did in the 1970s), not to scapegoat foreign adversaries.
We're not a healthy democracy if powerful people are shielded from accountability.
This was never about Russia. It was always about Trump. The Dems concocted this fake plot as a means to undermine Trump. They spent most of his presidency investigating this in an attempt to derail his presidency. It was election denying on a scale that Trump never could dream of. They knew it was fake. Making Russia out as the evil empire for years then provided grounds for massive military intervention in Ukraine. Something Obama had refused to do when Russia invaded Crimea. Another endless war to replace Afghanistan. So a win-win for the corrupt establishment politicians.
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This was never about Russia. It was always about Trump. The Dems concocted this fake plot as a means to undermine Trump. They spent most of his presidency investigating this in an attempt to derail his presidency.
I agree on that. Rather than address the reasons why so many voters agreed with Trump and even Bernie Sanders' critiques of the political establishment, foreign policy and trade deals, they pivoted to blaming "Russian propaganda" for the anti-establishment mood of Americans who didn't want Hillary Clinton to be President.
And the fearmongering about Russia continues to be weaponized today to discourage criticism of US policies towards Ukraine. Anyone who doesn't unconditionally support Ukraine or offers the slightest criticism of Biden's policy of unconditional support is labeled "pro-Putin" by some politicians and people in the mainstream media. It's intended to shut down and discourage legitimate policy debates.
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Russia's Prigozhin admits interfering in U.S. elections
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/russias-prigozhin-admits-interfering-us-elections-2022-11-07/
Russia was desperate to help Republicans. In hopes that will reduce aid to Ukraine (fat chance regardless of which party has the majority in the House). That is why the withdraw from Kherson was delayed to after the U. S. Elections. Russia accepted extra casualties in hopes of helping the Republicans.
Russia claims to interfere in U. S. Elections. A spokesman said:
In the 2022 U. S. Elections, the Russians did not remove both kidneys and the liver. Hell, they didn't even trim the fingernails.
Russia want to do two things.
1. Interfere as must as possible in U. S. Elections. Which does not appear to amount to much.
2. And then not keep this a secret but to broadcast this 'information'.
The goal? To undermine the people's confidence in elections. Undermining the people's confidence in elections is more important then interfering. Because, if true, releasing this information would allow America to take action to reduce this interference in the future. But hopefully, there are not too many people who fall for this. I certainly hope none at this forum.
You should be embarrassed and ashamed to post this Russian propaganda. Good grief, and you talk about "crazy conspiracy theories," yet you peddle this nuttiness.
And, just FYI, if the Russians were going to help anyone in an election, it certainly would not be the Republicans, because the Republicans have been the ones calling for us to give Ukraine fighter jets and long-range missile systems. The Republicans have, entirely correctly, been critical of Biden's incremental, piecemeal approach to helping Ukraine, not to mention his feckless actions before the invasion.
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People here have miss-stated what I was saying in my original post.
I did not claim that Russia has controlled any of our elections, not in 2016, not in 2020, not in 2022.
What I said is that Russians would like us to believe, that they, to a certain extent, control our elections. They would like us to believe that 'others' control the election. Be the 'others' the Deep State within our own country, or themselves. It doesn't matter. As long as we suspect that others are controlling our elections, and so cause us to lose faith in Democracy.
What Russians can do, and have done, is issue false news reports intended to help certain candidates, like Trump. Indeed, any entity, foreign or domestic, can issue information in hopes of influencing voters. I don't see this as a big deal.
And the 2022 election results show clearly, that Russia does not control our elections. Neither by altering the vote totals, nor by having a huge influence on how people vote. If they did, they would have surely caused the Trump candidates to win, not lose.
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You should be embarrassed and ashamed to post this Russian propaganda. Good grief, and you talk about "crazy conspiracy theories," yet you peddle this nuttiness.
You have miss-stated what I was saying. What I was saying was:
1. Russia would like to control our elections.
This effort has not succeeded.
2. In any case, whether their efforts to control succeed or fail, they would like us to believe that they control our elections.
All Russians can do is influence our elections, by putting out false information. As anyone else can do, either from within America, or outside America, including other countries. I don't see this as a big deal.
And, just FYI, if the Russians were going to help anyone in an election, it certainly would not be the Republicans, because the Republicans have been the ones calling for us to give Ukraine fighter jets and long-range missile systems. The Republicans have, entirely correctly, been critical of Biden's incremental, piecemeal approach to helping Ukraine, not to mention his feckless actions before the invasion.
Both the Republican and the Democratic leadership have been calling for us to send more aid to Ukraine, like fighter jets and long-range weapons, which I fully support. President Biden is more cautious than I would like to see. But as least he does support Ukraine.
But I, and most people, fear that if American support for Ukraine falters, it will come from the Republican side. Because Trump does not support Ukraine. And Trump influences the Republican base a lot. Which may cause the Republican leadership in Congress to falter. That has not happen yet and I hope it doesn't. It's time for Republicans to embrace their old values like we had under Reagan and stand up to Russian aggression. I hope they will continue to do so, despite Trump's efforts.
We can see this on our forum. It is the big Trump supporters, like Richard Smith, who want us to give up on Ukraine as a lost cause. In Congress, the few who call on us to greatly reduce our aid to Ukraine are the hard-line Trump supporters. But this is one 'Lost Cause' that I fully support, and which I do not believe is really a 'Lost Cause', at least not until Russia shows a lot more conventional power than they have been able to show so far.
Russia has always had the numbers on its side. But it has not always won all its wars. Not the Crimea War. Not the Russo-Japanese War. Not World War I. Nor the War in Afghanistan. Despite what Richard Smith would want us to believe, Russian victory is not inevitable.
Russian power does not come from its current production of weapons. It comes from the years of high production during the Soviet era, when it was still possible for them to produce a lot of weapons and a lot of ammunition. But they are burning through this surplus at a high rate and show no capability to replace this, at the current rate of production, for over one hundred years.
So, I am for the support we have given Ukraine, and we should do more. We should not accept Russia outgunning Ukraine by a large margin, like 5 to one or whatever it is, but increase our supply of ammunition so they can at least nearly match Russia's. Let's at least give them a fraction of the support we lavished on Afghanistan and continue to do give to Iraq. And not fear Russia response but instead give Ukraine longer range weapons, with superior accuracy, which is also important. Give them the weapons that can take out the bridge to Crimea (the actual bridge, and not just the 'Land Bridge') and sink Russian ships that try to supply Crimea, once it gets cut off, which I hope for this year.
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People here have miss-stated what I was saying in my original post.
I did not claim that Russia has controlled any of our elections, not in 2016, not in 2020, not in 2022.
What I said is that Russians would like us to believe, that they, to a certain extent, control our elections. They would like us to believe that 'others' control the election. Be the 'others' the Deep State within our own country, or themselves. It doesn't matter. As long as we suspect that others are controlling our elections, and so cause us to lose faith in Democracy.
What Russians can do, and have done, is issue false news reports intended to help certain candidates, like Trump. Indeed, any entity, foreign or domestic, can issue information in hopes of influencing voters. I don't see this as a big deal.
And the 2022 election results show clearly, that Russia does not control our elections. Neither by altering the vote totals, nor by having a huge influence on how people vote. If they did, they would have surely caused the Trump candidates to win, not lose.
I think some people believe in conspiracies like you describe because the world is too complex and they can't accept that so many Americans distrust their own government.
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Russians will continue to interfere in our elections hoping to get Republicans elected because they know right wingers will do their bidding.
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Russians will continue to interfere in our elections hoping to get Republicans elected because they know right wingers will do their bidding.
LOL. Baghdad Bob is jealous of this kind of nonsense that is not based in reality. This is real simple. You might be able to see it even through Biden's smoke in NYC.
Obama - Russian invasion.
Trump - No Russian invasion.
Old Joe - Russian invasion, endless war, and total destruction of Ukraine.
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LOL. Baghdad Bob is jealous of this kind of nonsense that is not based in reality. This is real simple. You might be able to see it even through Biden's smoke in NYC.
Obama - Russian invasion.
Trump - No Russian invasion.
Old Joe - Russian invasion, endless war, and total destruction of Ukraine.
Russia's Prigozhin admits interfering in U.S. elections
November 7, 2022
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/russias-prigozhin-admits-interfering-us-elections-2022-11-07/
Funny since Russia already admitted they are actively helping the GOP and did so in 2022. Also, Republicans are notorious for spouting Russian propaganda.
Uh, Russia was already attacking Ukraine under Criminal Donald. And you want to blame Biden for a war that has nothing to do with the United States. Pathetic :D :D :D
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Russian interference? The election laws were changed in almost every state just prior to the 2020 election to advantage Ukraine Joe. The media censored and suppressed any story harmful to Biden. The justice system suppressed evidence of crimes including treason committed by Biden and his family. But Russia is the bad guy? LOL.
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Russia's Prigozhin admits interfering in U.S. elections
November 7, 2022
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/russias-prigozhin-admits-interfering-us-elections-2022-11-07/
Funny since Russia already admitted they are actively helping the GOP and did so in 2022. Also, Republicans are notorious for spouting Russian propaganda.
Uh, Russia was already attacking Ukraine under Criminal Donald. And you want to blame Biden for a war that has nothing to do with the United States. Pathetic :D :D :D
It was a joke. And a bad one given that Republicans didn't do as well as they expected in 2022.
The Russian guy that you're quoting is known to have a dark sense of humor. I wouldn't accept anything he says at face value...
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It was a joke. And a bad one given that Republicans didn't do as well as they expected in 2022.
The Russian guy that you're quoting is known to have a dark sense of humor. I wouldn't accept anything he says at face value...
Sorry, it was no joke.
Putin-connected businessman admits interference in U.S. elections
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/putin-connected-businessman-admits-interference-in-u-s-elections
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Russian interference? The election laws were changed in almost every state just prior to the 2020 election to advantage Ukraine Joe. The media censored and suppressed any story harmful to Biden. The justice system suppressed evidence of crimes including treason committed by Biden and his family. But Russia is the bad guy? LOL.
Putin-connected businessman admits interference in U.S. elections
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/putin-connected-businessman-admits-interference-in-u-s-elections
I just posted documented evidence of a Russian official admitting to election interference in the 2022 election to help Republicans.
What do you post? More propaganda spin and debunked conspiracy theories.
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Repeating the same lie over and over doesn't make it any less false.
There's no evidence that the Russians meddled in or interfered with the US congressional elections in 2022. The Russian troll's comment (which may have been sarcastic) isn't "proof". In case you forgot, Russia was pre-occupied with the war in Ukraine in 2022.
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Putin-connected businessman admits interference in U.S. elections
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/putin-connected-businessman-admits-interference-in-u-s-elections
I just posted documented evidence of a Russian official admitting to election interference in the 2022 election to help Republicans.
What do you post? More propaganda spin and debunked conspiracy theories.
I've posted facts. Which of these indisputable facts are you taking issue with?
FACT: The election laws in almost every state were changed just prior to the 2020 in a way that was advantageous to Ukraine Joe under false pretenses.
FACT: Even Lord Fauci confirmed it was perfectly safe for people to go to the polls.
FACT: The media censored news stories such as Dirty Hunter's laptop, bribery and widespread corrupt on the entire Biden family including the Big Guy.
FACT: There is zero evidence that the Russians changed any minds in the 2016 or 2020 elections. None. Talk about election denial. Absolutely nothing in history tops the fake Russian collusion hoax after the 2016 election.
If all these circumstances had occurred in the election in some other country, every reasonable person would conclude that fix was in. Putin has absolutely nothing on corruption and bias of the current American political situation. He is a rank amateur compared to Old Joe.
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I've posted facts. Which of these indisputable facts are you taking issue with?
FACT: The election laws in almost every state were changed just prior to the 2020 in a way that was advantageous to Ukraine Joe under false pretenses.
FACT: Even Lord Fauci confirmed it was perfectly safe for people to go to the polls.
FACT: The media censored news stories such as Dirty Hunter's laptop, bribery and widespread corrupt on the entire Biden family including the Big Guy.
FACT: There is zero evidence that the Russians changed any minds in the 2016 or 2020 elections. None. Talk about election denial. Absolutely nothing in history tops the fake Russian collusion hoax after the 2016 election.
If all these circumstances had occurred in the election in some other country, every reasonable person would conclude that fix was in. Putin has absolutely nothing on corruption and bias of the current American political situation. He is a rank amateur compared to Old Joe.
Trump-Appointed Judge In Wisconsin Shuts Down Campaign’s Legal Argument For Why Election Was Rigged
Dec 12, 2020
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/12/12/trump-appointed-judge-in-wisconsin-shuts-down-campaigns-legal-argument-for-why-election-was-rigged/?sh=7830de6a15d9
No major problems with ballot drop boxes in 2020, AP finds
https://apnews.com/article/voting-rights-2022-midterm-elections-covid-health-wisconsin-c61fa93a12a1a51d6d9f4e0a21fa3b75
Barr Says No Need For Special Counsel For Hunter Biden Probe
https://www.npr.org/2020/12/21/948787251/barr-says-no-need-for-special-counsel-for-hunter-biden-probe-election-fraud-clai
Russian propagandists targeted African Americans to influence 2016 US election
Operatives used social media to suppress votes for Hillary Clinton and help Donald Trump, new research finds
Dec. 17, 2018
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/17/russian-propagandists-targeted-african-americans-2016-election
George Papadopoulos: Ex-Trump adviser goes to prison
November 26, 2018
Papadopoulos pleaded guilty last year to lying to the FBI about the timing of meetings with alleged go-betweens for Russia and was sentenced in September.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46347887
Sorry, you are not posting facts, that's called right wing propaganda which has already been debunked.
Donald Trump tried to use those same fake "election law change" claims in 2020 in court and lost over 60 times. Federal judges who were appointed by Trump tossed those fake "election law change" claims out of court in several states.
Yeah, perfectly safe with an uncontrolled raging pandemic and no vaccine. :D :D
Republicans voted absentee for decades, but when Democrats start voting absentee, then right wingers suddenly have a problem with it.
The mainstream media doesn't push fake right wing conspiracy theories like Faux Propaganda who has to pay nearly 1 Billion dollars for election fraud conspiracy lies.
Bill Barr did not appoint a special counsel for those bogus Biden conspiracy theories because they were fake and you wanted the mainstream media to report lies and conspiracy theories? Sorry, the mainstream media is not right wing propaganda outlets.
LOL. Of course, Russian disinformation influenced people's votes. That's why they do it. And that's why they keep doing it in different countries.
Trump stooge George Papadopoulos went to prison for Russian collusion. He lied to the FBI about meeting with the Russians and you falsely call it a "hoax". :D
Once again, your Russian propaganda has been easily debunked.
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Repeating the same lie over and over doesn't make it any less false.
There's no evidence that the Russians meddled in or interfered with the US congressional elections in 2022. The Russian troll's comment (which may have been sarcastic) isn't "proof". In case you forgot, Russia was pre-occupied with the war in Ukraine in 2022.
Russia tried to influence U.S. elections in 2022 and will do it again, nation’s top intel agency says
Russia conducted malign influence operations in the 2022 U.S. midterm elections, the U.S. intelligence community said in a new report.
Russia tried to influence U.S. elections in 2022 and will do it again, nation's top intel agency says. Russia conducted malign influence operations in the 2022 U.S. midterm elections, the U.S. intelligence community said in a new report.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/08/russia-tried-to-influence-us-elections-in-2022-and-will-do-it-again-intel-agency-says.html
Where's "the lie"? United States Intelligence issued a report stating that Russia meddled in the 2022 election.
"No evidence", you say? I just posted documented evidence below from US Intelligence stating Russia DID interfere in the 2022 election. Are you going to deny that too?
Where's your evidence to prove otherwise? I only see denials from you with zero documented evidence.
Mr. Banks, do you know more than United States intelligence who says Russia DID meddle in the 2022 election and will continue to do so in future elections?
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Russia tried to influence U.S. elections in 2022 and will do it again, nation’s top intel agency says
Russia conducted malign influence operations in the 2022 U.S. midterm elections, the U.S. intelligence community said in a new report.
Russia tried to influence U.S. elections in 2022 and will do it again, nation's top intel agency says. Russia conducted malign influence operations in the 2022 U.S. midterm elections, the U.S. intelligence community said in a new report.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/08/russia-tried-to-influence-us-elections-in-2022-and-will-do-it-again-intel-agency-says.html
Where's "the lie"? United States Intelligence issued a report stating that Russia meddled in the 2022 election.
"No evidence", you say? I just posted documented evidence below from US Intelligence stating Russia DID interfere in the 2022 election. Are you going to deny that too?
Where's your evidence to prove otherwise? I only see denials from you with zero documented evidence.
Mr. Banks, do you know more than United States intelligence who says Russia DID meddle in the 2022 election and will continue to do so in future elections?
Intelligence analysis isn’t evidence.
Per the article you cited, they gave no specific examples or evidence. It’s very vague information.
What I find most interesting is how some think Russian trolls on social media undermine our elections more than lobbyists corrupt our politics.
I’m pretty sure that the millions that countries like Saudi Arabia and Israel spend to influence our politicians and elections is more impactful than a few dozen Russian troll accounts on social media.
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Intelligence analysis isn’t evidence.
Per the article you cited, they gave no specific examples or evidence. It’s very vague information.
What I find most interesting is how some think Russian trolls on social media undermine our elections more than lobbyists corrupt our politics.
I’m pretty sure that the millions that countries like Saudi Arabia and Israel spend to influence our politicians and elections is more impactful than a few dozen Russian troll accounts on social media.
:D :D :D
I posted documented evidence from US Intelligence stating Russia DID interfere in the 2020 election and you post nothing except for your own denials and excuses. Hilarious!
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:D :D :D
I posted documented evidence from US Intelligence stating Russia DID interfere in the 2020 election and you post nothing except for your own denials and excuses. Hilarious!
There's no evidence in the article that you shared. It's just uncorroborated claims if the article doesn't cite specific evidence.
And like I said, even if it's true that Russia continued to use social media to meddle in US politics in 2022, who cares? Do you really believe a single vote was affected by silly posts on Twitter or Facebook? Do you really believe that kind of stuff is worse than foreign governments spending millions to directly influence our politicians?
I find it absurd that we've spent the last few years obsessing over what people post on social media.
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Russia tried to influence U.S. elections in 2022 and will do it again, nation’s top intel agency says
Russia conducted malign influence operations in the 2022 U.S. midterm elections, the U.S. intelligence community said in a new report.
Russia tried to influence U.S. elections in 2022 and will do it again, nation's top intel agency says. Russia conducted malign influence operations in the 2022 U.S. midterm elections, the U.S. intelligence community said in a new report.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/08/russia-tried-to-influence-us-elections-in-2022-and-will-do-it-again-intel-agency-says.html
Where's "the lie"? United States Intelligence issued a report stating that Russia meddled in the 2022 election.
"No evidence", you say? I just posted documented evidence below from US Intelligence stating Russia DID interfere in the 2022 election. Are you going to deny that too?
Where's your evidence to prove otherwise? I only see denials from you with zero documented evidence.
Mr. Banks, do you know more than United States intelligence who says Russia DID meddle in the 2022 election and will continue to do so in future elections?
Let's assume that Russia did attempt to meddle in the election. Is there any evidence whatsoever that they influenced a single vote? Contrast that situation with changing the election laws in almost every state in the months leading up to the 2020 election under false pretenses, censoring speech on social media, and covering up information that would have been harmful to Biden (or even lead to his arrest for corruption). Which had the greater impact on the outcome? Russian interference or American interference?
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There's no evidence in the article that you shared. It's just uncorroborated claims if the article doesn't cite specific evidence.
Well, if you bothered to have read the pdf file IN the article, you would have seen the evidence United States Intelligence officials reported that details the Russian interference in the 2022 election. Why didn't you read it?
Russia has been interfering in elections around the world for DECADES, especially in the United States. And for you to think the Russians are magically going to stop meddling in the 2022 U.S. midterm election is laugh out loud hilarious. That's why your claim is absurd and you can't provide any evidence to support it.
CIA has been tracking Russian interference in U.S. elections since 1982
Declassified memo shows Agency considered possibility of a Soviet “scheme” to tip the 1984 presidential race
https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2017/jul/19/cia-russian-election-1984/
Ok, let's recap this thing:
You made the false claim that Russia "did not" interfere with the 2022 election. But you still provide zero evidence to support your false claim. All you do is deny the solid evidence I provided that proves Russia DID interfere in the 2022 election.
So I ask you again, where is your evidence to prove your false claim? All you're doing is posting your opinion. That's not factual evidence. Where is YOUR evidence to prove that Russia "didn't" meddle in the 2022 election as you falsely claim? Are you going to post this evidence or are you going to continue to post your "opinion"?
Russia's Prigozhin admits interfering in U.S. elections
November 7, 2022
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/russias-prigozhin-admits-interfering-us-elections-2022-11-07/
I posted documented evidence of a Russian official who admitted that he meddled in the 2022 election (and previous elections) which was reported by every single respected world news organization and confirmed by US Intelligence.
Immediately, without any evidence whatsoever you claim that "It's a lie", "he was just joking", he is a "Russian troll".
Where is your "evidence" for that false claim? You still provide nothing. All you're doing is denying and making up stuff trying to discredit factual documented evidence.
Russia tried to influence U.S. elections in 2022 and will do it again, nation’s top intel agency says
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/08/russia-tried-to-influence-us-elections-in-2022-and-will-do-it-again-intel-agency-says.html
Next, I posted documented evidence from the top United States Intelligence agency documenting the Russian interference in the 2022 election.
Once again, you dismiss top United States Intelligence as "vague" and "uncooberated" when they did the actual investigation. You didn't even bother to read the United States Intelligence Report on the 2022 U.S. election and Russian Interference. The pdf file is highlighted right there in the article.
So again, you make false claims and provide zero evidence to support your false claim, but then you dismiss my solid documented evidence without any evidence of your own to support your false narrative.
And like I said, even if it's true that Russia continued to use social media to meddle in US politics in 2022, who cares? Do you really believe a single vote was affected by silly posts on Twitter or Facebook? Do you really believe that kind of stuff is worse than foreign governments spending millions to directly influence our politicians?
What do you mean "if it's true"? United States Intelligence says IT IS true that Russia interferes in United States elections and will continue to do so. Where is your evidence to prove that it's "not true" as you falsely claim?
United States Intelligence reports determined votes were affected by Russian disinformation on the internet. Thats why Russia continues to do it.
State Department singles out Russian troll farm while offering $10 million for information on election interference
July 28, 2022
US officials are bracing for a mix of foreign interference and domestic disinformation campaigns about the voting process as the midterm vote approaches.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/28/politics/state-department-ira-troll-farm-russia/index.html
FBI and NSA directors warn of evolving Russian interference threat ahead of US midterms
New Evidence Shows How Russia’s Election Interference Has Gotten More Brazen
Some strategies and tactics for election interference were the same as before. Russia’s trolls pretended to be American people, including political groups and candidates. They tried to sow division by targeting both the left and right with posts to foment outrage, fear, and hostility. Much of their activity seemed designed to discourage certain people from voting. And they focused on swing states.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/new-evidence-shows-how-russias-election-interference-has-gotten-more
Russian propagandists targeted African Americans to influence 2016 US election
Operatives used social media to suppress votes for Hillary Clinton and help Donald Trump, new research finds
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/17/russian-propagandists-targeted-african-americans-2016-election
So yes, suppressing votes by discouraging people from voting IS worse, since it affects the outcome of certain election races. That's why Russian disinformation artists target specific election races to attack since it changes the outcome of that race.
I find it absurd that we've spent the last few years obsessing over what people post on social media.
Like I stated above, you're only offering your "opinion" and not providing any real evidence to support your false claim of "Russia did not interfere with the 2022 election".
I've provided solid documented evidence to prove that Russia DID indeed interfere with the 2022 election. You have posted zero evidence to support your false claim "they didn't", you only continue post your opinion like you've done once again in your quote above.
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Let's assume that Russia did attempt to meddle in the election. Is there any evidence whatsoever that they influenced a single vote? Contrast that situation with changing the election laws in almost every state in the months leading up to the 2020 election under false pretenses, censoring speech on social media, and covering up information that would have been harmful to Biden (or even lead to his arrest for corruption). Which had the greater impact on the outcome? Russian interference or American interference?
There’s no proof that Russia’s meddling via social media was effective. Many Liberal Democrats just can’t accept that Hillary lost fair and square in 2016.
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I've posted facts. Which of these indisputable facts are you taking issue with?
Sorry, you haven't posted any facts, just more debunked conspiracy theories. I take issue with everything you posted.
FACT: The election laws in almost every state were changed just prior to the 2020 in a way that was advantageous to Ukraine Joe under false pretenses.
So, are you really going to claim that red states or states that voted blue in 2020 that had a Republican Governor or a Republican controlled state legislature was plotting against Trump to elect Joe Biden? Now that's a real conspiracy theory. :D
Donald Trump and his band of joker "lawyers" tried to make these same phony claims in court in various states. Trump's own appointed judges threw out these same phony claims in the lawsuits stating "it has no merit".
Trump's own judge ruled against your false claim. So no, you did not post a "fact".
Trump-Appointed Judge In Wisconsin Shuts Down Campaign’s Legal Argument For Why Election Was Rigged
Dec 12, 2020
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/12/12/trump-appointed-judge-in-wisconsin-shuts-down-campaigns-legal-argument-for-why-election-was-rigged/?sh=7830de6a15d9
FACT: Even Lord Fauci confirmed it was perfectly safe for people to go to the polls.
You left off the part where Dr. Fauci said "as long as polling place workers and voters adhere to safety guidelines and recommendations."
In right wing districts, people refused to adhere to those safety guidelines. They refused to wear masks to stop the spread of the virus. So there was no need for someone to take the risk in getting COVID when they could easily mail in their ballot which is perfectly legal.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-fauci-in-person-voting/fact-check-fauci-said-there-is-no-reason-why-we-cant-vote-in-person-if-guidelines-are-followed-idUSKBN25U2BB
How was it "perfectly safe to go to the polls" when in November of 2020 the United States had MORE COVID cases than most countries had all year? That was because of the incompetence and failure of Donald Trump which is another reason why he lost the 2020 election in a blowout. And as a result, more people mailed in their ballots because of a deadly pandemic which is perfectly legal. Not sure why you're taking an issue with that.
U.S. reported more COVID-19 cases in November than most countries had all year
NOVEMBER 30, 2020
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-november-cases-united-states/
FACT: The media censored news stories such as Dirty Hunter's laptop, bribery and widespread corrupt on the entire Biden family including the Big Guy.
And yet, you have no hard evidence to prove any of these conspiracy theories.
Right wingers are just angry the mainstream media didn't flood the airwaves with lies and disinformation against Biden like they did to Clinton in 2016.
Let's see, the top prosecutor in Ukraine confirmed his investigation found no wrongdoing with Hunter Biden.
Bill Barr did not appoint a special counsel in 2020 to investigate these phony claims and conspiracy theories against Biden because he knew they were bogus.
The House GOP just issued their own report stating they found no wrongdoing with Biden.
Yet, you keep pushing these same phony and bogus conspiracy theories as "facts".
If there were anything to these fake Biden conspiracy theories, Donald Trump would have used it against Biden in 2020. What did Donnie do Instead? He threatened President Zelensky of Ukraine over the phone to manufacture a phony scandal against Joe Biden to damaging his candidacy or he wouldn't release the United States military aid to Ukraine. That's why Donnie got impeached for the first time and it's why the MAGA radical right hates President Zelensky.
Ukraine found no evidence against Hunter Biden in case audit: former top prosecutor
JUNE 4, 2020
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-impeachment-ukraine/ukraine-found-no-evidence-against-hunter-biden-in-case-audit-former-top-prosecutor-idUSKBN23B2RB
Barr Says No Need For Special Counsel For Hunter Biden Probe
https://www.npr.org/2020/12/21/948787251/barr-says-no-need-for-special-counsel-for-hunter-biden-probe-election-fraud-clai
Republicans Finally Admit They Have No Incriminating Evidence on Joe Biden
A 65-page report, a press conference, and nothing to show for it
May 10, 2023
https://newrepublic.com/post/172627/republicans-admit-no-incriminating-evidence-joe-biden
Trump’s Hold on Ukrainian Military Aid was Illegal
November 26, 2019
The illegality of the funding hold is important to the impeachment inquiry, as it adds further weight to the case that Trump abused his authority as president to pressure Ukraine to interfere in the 2020 U.S. election.
https://www.justsecurity.org/67489/trumps-hold-on-ukrainian-military-aid-was-illegal/
FACT: There is zero evidence that the Russians changed any minds in the 2016 or 2020 elections. None. Talk about election denial. Absolutely nothing in history tops the fake Russian collusion hoax after the 2016 election.
Wow!...this is an outrageous falsehood! You just falsely posted "there is zero evidence that the Russians changed any minds in the 2016 or the 2020 elections. None."
Well, our United States Intelligence has debunked your absurd claim. They have done MASSIVE investigations detailing Russians suppressed votes for Clinton and Biden.
So no, what you posted is not a "fact", it's disinformation. United States Intelligence confirmed that the Russians influenced the 2016 election, and 2020, and 2022. Why are you defending Russian election interference?
Russian propagandists targeted African Americans to influence 2016 US election
Operatives used social media to suppress votes for Hillary Clinton and help Donald Trump, new research finds
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/17/russian-propagandists-targeted-african-americans-2016-election
Putin Authorized Russian Interference in 2020 Election
Russian Interference in 2020 Included Influencing Trump Associates, Report Says
The assessment was the intelligence community’s most comprehensive look at foreign efforts to interfere in the election.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/16/us/politics/election-interference-russia-2020-assessment.html
You then go on to post your usual absurd claim that I've debunked many times in various threads, "Absolutely nothing in history tops the fake Russian collusion hoax after the 2016 election."
As I've pointed out to you many times, our United States Intelligence Committee detailed in their report that there was Russian collusion in 2016 between Trump and the Russains. Russia even admitted it. Donald Trump admitted that his son Junior met with the Russians. George Papadopoulos, Trump's advisor, went to prison for lying to the FBI about meeting with Russians which is Russian collusion. Yet, you still post this same disinformation all the time. So ridiculous and it's not a "hoax" as you continue to falsely post.
US Senate report goes beyond Mueller to lay bare Trump campaign's Russia links
Bipartisan intelligence panel says that Russian who worked on Trump’s 2016 bid was career spy, amid a stunning range of contacts
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/18/donald-trump-us-senate-report-russia-campaign
Kremlin papers appear to show Putin’s plot to put Trump in White House
Exclusive: Documents suggest Russia launched secret multi-agency effort to interfere in US democracy
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/15/kremlin-papers-appear-to-show-putins-plot-to-put-trump-in-white-house
Trump admits son met Russian for information on opponent
August 6, 2018
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45079377
Trump (Again) Admits His Son Met With Russian Lawyer To Get Dirt On Clinton
https://www.npr.org/2018/08/06/635860399/trump-admits-his-son-met-with-russian-lawyer-to-get-dirt-on-clinton
George Papadopoulos: Ex-Trump adviser goes to prison
November 26, 2018
Papadopoulos pleaded guilty last year to lying to the FBI about the timing of meetings with alleged go-betweens for Russia and was sentenced in September.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46347887
Again, all of this documented evidence is "Russian collusion", and yet you still falsely call it a "hoax" even after I debunked your false claim many times in here.
If all these circumstances had occurred in the election in some other country, every reasonable person would conclude that fix was in. Putin has absolutely nothing on corruption and bias of the current American political situation. He is a rank amateur compared to Old Joe.
Ah, more Joe Biden conspiracies. :D :D :D
First you post that Joe Biden is an "old senile man with dementia" and now you're posting that Biden is more corrupt that murderous dictator Vladimir Putin.
Which is it? It can't be both.
That's why all these Joe Biden accusations are more phony than a 3 dollar bill.
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There’s no proof that Russia’s meddling via social media was effective. Many Liberal Democrats just can’t accept that Hillary lost fair and square in 2016.
"No proof" he says without offering proof to substantiate his false claim.
Here's my proof, Mr. Banks. Where is yours? You only post your "opinions" with zero evidence to support your false claim.
I guess Mr. Banks' personal opinion outweighs the knowledge of the Republican U.S. Senate Committee and our top US Intelligence officers who have done intensive investigations on Russian influence in our elections. :D :D :D
Senate Report: Russians Used Social Media Mostly To Target Race In 2016
The report, written by the Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee, also said the Internet Research Agency, which worked "at the direction of the Kremlin," increased its activity after Election Day in 2016.
Following the 2016 election, "Instagram activity increased 238 percent, Facebook increased 59 percent, Twitter increased 52 percent, and YouTube citations went up by 84 percent," the report found.
The committee's work also affirmed the conclusions of earlier investigations on Russian interference in the elections, including the Mueller report's findings and the Jan. 6, 2017, Intelligence Community Assessment.
"The Committee found that IRA social media activity was overtly and almost invariably supportive of then-candidate Trump," the report reads. "The Committee found that the Russian government tasked and supported the IRA' s interference in the 2016 U.S. election."
The Senate committee found that the Internet Research Agency sought to harm Democrat Hillary Clinton and support Donald Trump "at the direction of the Kremlin."
https://www.npr.org/2019/10/08/768319934/senate-report-russians-used-used-social-media-mostly-to-target-race-in-2016
Russian propagandists targeted African Americans to influence 2016 US election
Operatives used social media to suppress votes for Hillary Clinton and help Donald Trump, new research finds
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/17/russian-propagandists-targeted-african-americans-2016-election
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So here it is folks, a bipartisan report from the United States Senate from 2020 (which includes both Republicans and Democrats) proved that Russia helped to interfere in the 2016 election and the Trump campaign welcomed it. And you have to be totally naive to believe that an "aggressive and sophisticated campaign" by the Russians "wasn't effective" in changing votes. That's why the Russians have been interfering in United States elections since 1982. And the phony claim that "Russian collusion is a hoax" is laugh out loud hilarious when it's been detailed in this Republican led Senate report since August of 2020 that Trump's people had "extensive contacts with the Russian Intelligence officers". Paul Manafort gave internal polling to the Russians. And why would that be? So, the Russians could target specific districts in the United States to push disinformation to change votes. That is called Russian collusion folks!
Senate Releases Final Report On Russia's Interference In 2016 Election
A GOP-led Senate panel released a report Tuesday that details extensive contacts between Trump campaign advisers and Russian intelligence in 2016.
Today we got perhaps the most detailed look yet at Russia's efforts to influence the presidential race four years ago. The Senate Intelligence Committee has released the final report from its bipartisan investigation into Moscow's interference in the 2016 U.S. election.
And all of that digging has gone into this report, and the committee concludes that Russia conducted a sophisticated and aggressive campaign to influence the U.S. election to help Donald Trump beat Hillary Clinton and that folks on Team Trump were more than happy to accept help from the Russians. But what's really important about that conclusion is that it is a bipartisan one. It is endorsed by both Democrats and Republicans.
https://www.npr.org/2020/08/18/903616315/senate-releases-final-report-on-russias-interference-in-2016-election
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Let's assume that Russia did attempt to meddle in the election. Is there any evidence whatsoever that they influenced a single vote?
Russia DID interfere in the 2016 election.
"The IRA is alleged to have employed dozens of Russians whose job was to create hundreds of fake American personas online to broadly inflame divisions in American society and undermine democratic institutions, and more specifically damage Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. The new reports say the effort spread to just about every popular social media platform."
"The Oxford report says one goal was to persuade African-Americans to boycott the election or to follow incorrect voting procedures to suppress the vote. The same tactics, the report said, have more recently been employed targeting Mexican-American and Hispanic voters to undermine their faith in U.S. institutions.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/russia-targeted-african-american-vote-made-instagram-key/story?id=59862038
Contrast that situation with changing the election laws in almost every state in the months leading up to the 2020 election under false pretenses
Once again, this is false because Trump's own appointed judges threw your same bogus claims out of court in 2020.
Trump-Appointed Judge In Wisconsin Shuts Down Campaign’s Legal Argument For Why Election Was Rigged
Dec 12, 2020
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/12/12/trump-appointed-judge-in-wisconsin-shuts-down-campaigns-legal-argument-for-why-election-was-rigged/?sh=7830de6a15d9
Trump-appointed judges among 86 who have so far dismissed election fraud law suits
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/13/trump-appointed-judges-among-86-have-far-dismissed-election/
censoring speech on social media
This is false too.
Twitter Admits in Court Filing: Elon Musk Is Simply Wrong About Government Interference At Twitter
"To date, not a single document revealed has shown what people now falsely believe: that the US government and Twitter were working together to “censor” people based on their political viewpoints. Literally none of that has been shown at all."
https://www.techdirt.com/2023/06/05/twitter-admits-in-court-filing-elon-musk-is-simply-wrong-about-government-interference-at-twitter/
and covering up information that would have been harmful to Biden (or even lead to his arrest for corruption).
Even more falsehoods.
What Biden "corruption"? Trump's Attorney General Bill Barr, Republican Investigations in 2020, and the Republican House last month found no corruption on the Biden's. It's nothing but Russian disinformation.
If you want to talk about corruption and arrests, then let's talk about Donald Trump, who was indicted and arrested in New York on 34 felonies. Trump was just indicted by the Feds in Miami for espionage on 37 felony counts, and will be arrested again on Tuesday. Then he will be indicted and arrested again in DC for insurrection and Fulton County, Georgia for election fraud and racketeering sometime in August. Let's not forget Trump was recently found guilty of sexual assault in a civil court. That's what you call corruption.
Barr Says No Need For Special Counsel For Hunter Biden Probe
https://www.npr.org/2020/12/21/948787251/barr-says-no-need-for-special-counsel-for-hunter-biden-probe-election-fraud-clai
GOP report: No wrongdoing in Biden son ties to Ukraine firm
September 23, 2020
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gop-report-wrongdoing-biden-son-ties-ukraine-firm/story?id=73192146
Republican Inquiry Finds No Evidence of Wrongdoing by Biden
The report delivered on Wednesday appeared to be little more than a rehashing of unproven allegations that echoed a Russian disinformation campaign.
Sept. 23, 2020
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/23/us/politics/biden-inquiry-republicans-johnson.html
House Republican Report Finds No Evidence of Wrongdoing by President Biden
After months of investigation and many public accusations of corruption against Mr. Biden and his family, the first report of the premier House G.O.P. inquiry showed no proof of such misconduct.
May 10, 2023
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/10/us/politics/hunter-biden-house-republicans-report.html
Which had the greater impact on the outcome? Russian interference or American interference?
In 2020, we had both Russian interference and American interference helping Trump but he still ended up losing in a blowout. That's how overwhelmingly unpopular he is.
Donald Trump, the Republican party, the right wing media, and Trump MAGA supporters all colluded to steal the presidency from Joe Biden and the majority of Americans who voted for him.
Donald Trump lied about the election being stolen from him which was amplified by the right wing media. The Republican party took active measures trying to prevent the winner Joe Biden from taking office.
When that didn't work, Trump's supporters engaged in a violent coup to take over the government by force to stop the transfer of power.
That is clear treason, a political party trying to overturn an election because they didn't like the results.
Now the Republican party is defending Donald Trump's espionage. The Republican party is not a real political party, they are a deranged cult. They only exist to protect Donald Trump from his crimes and to steal elections for him.
Republicans do not care about our national security or the lives of Americans when they are now covering for a brazen criminal who was just indicted by the DOJ for espionage.
How can the GOP care about our national security when say it's ok for Trump to hoard our most sensitive secret intelligence and show it off for his friends at Mar a Lago? Anyone could get access to these documents and it could trigger a nuclear war since nuclear documents were in Trump's possession.
So, the American election interference occurred from Republicans in 2020 after Trump lost the election in a blowout.
It also happened on January 6, 2021 when Trump incited an insurrection and his deranged supporters engaged in a violent coup to overthrow the U.S. government. That is the worst interference of all which was done by Republicans. .
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So many words but no evidence that the Russians influenced a single vote in 2016 or 2020. Imagine being so obsessed by the topic to spend this much time on it. And, of course, the leftist conspiracy theory wasn't just that the Russians meddled in the elections (and remember when it was the Dems that the Soviet Union were sympathetic with) but that Trump COLLUDED with Putin to win the 2016 election. A conspiracy theory for which there was not an iota of evidence and was used to undermine Trump's presidency and divide the country. The biggest hoax in American history and extremely divisive. The fact that some radicalized Trump haters are still making this claim is unreal and laughable. Surely even "Rick" understands he was played by the establishment (which includes both Dems and Republicans who want no outsider challenging their power structure).
The irrefutable fact is that there is zero evidence that Russia influenced a single vote in the 2016 or 2020 elections. Tens of millions of votes, however, were influenced by the changes just prior to the 2020 election under the false premise that it was unsafe to vote in person. This allowed Dems to harvest millions of votes from universities and minority communities in a way that changed the outcome of the election. The results speak for themselves. An outlandish statistical outlier that Old Joe, an 80-year-old career politician who barely campaigned received more votes than any candidate in American history. More than JFK, Reagan, Clinton, Obama, FDR, or anyone. No one can believe that was not the product of the changes in the election laws using COVID as a pretext. If the reverse had happened, and Trump had changed the election laws in a way that advantageous to him to win the election, leftists would have started a civil war. The "insurrection" would have been a patriotic cause to save democracy instead of Jan. 6 hysteria.
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So many words but no evidence that the Russians influenced a single vote in 2016 or 2020.
This is another falsehood. US Intelligence and the US Senate said it did.
"A Senate inquiry has concluded that a Russian fake-news campaign targeted "no single group... more than African-Americans."
It says Russian operatives used social media to deter black people from voting and planted subtly racist content to incite conflict between ethnicities.
The report comes two years into the Senate Intelligence Committee's investigation into the 2016 election.
African-American community voters were discouraged from voting, and from supporting Hillary Clinton."
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49987657
Imagine being so obsessed by the topic to spend this much time on it. And, of course, the leftist conspiracy theory wasn't just that the Russians meddled in the elections (and remember when it was the Dems that the Soviet Union were sympathetic with) but that Trump COLLUDED with Putin to win the 2016 election. A conspiracy theory for which there was not an iota of evidence and was used to undermine Trump's presidency and divide the country. The biggest hoax in American history and extremely divisive. The fact that some radicalized Trump haters are still making this claim is unreal and laughable. Surely even "Rick" understands he was played by the establishment (which includes both Dems and Republicans who want no outsider challenging their power structure).
Wrong again.
No Hoax: Bipartisan Probe Says US Intelligence Made Right Call on Russian Election Meddling
https://www.voanews.com/a/usa_us-politics_no-hoax-bipartisan-probe-says-us-intelligence-made-right-call-russian-election/6187955.html
The irrefutable fact is that there is zero evidence that Russia influenced a single vote in the 2016 or 2020 elections.
Still false.
Russian propagandists targeted African Americans to influence 2016 US election
Operatives used social media to suppress votes for Hillary Clinton and help Donald Trump, new research finds
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/17/russian-propagandists-targeted-african-americans-2016-election
Tens of millions of votes, however, were influenced by the changes just prior to the 2020 election under the false premise that it was unsafe to vote in person. This allowed Dems to harvest millions of votes from universities and minority communities in a way that changed the outcome of the election. The results speak for themselves. An outlandish statistical outlier that Old Joe, an 80-year-old career politician who barely campaigned received more votes than any candidate in American history. More than JFK, Reagan, Clinton, Obama, FDR, or anyone. No one can believe that was not the product of the changes in the election laws using COVID as a pretext. If the reverse had happened, and Trump had changed the election laws in a way that advantageous to him to win the election, leftists would have started a civil war. The "insurrection" would have been a patriotic cause to save democracy instead of Jan. 6 hysteria.
Donald Trump tried to use these same bogus election conspiracy claims in court and his own appointed judges threw these phony claims out of court.
Trump-Appointed Judge In Wisconsin Shuts Down Campaign’s Legal Argument For Why Election Was Rigged
Dec 12, 2020
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/12/12/trump-appointed-judge-in-wisconsin-shuts-down-campaigns-legal-argument-for-why-election-was-rigged/?sh=7830de6a15d9
Trump-appointed judges among 86 who have so far dismissed election fraud law suits
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/13/trump-appointed-judges-among-86-have-far-dismissed-election/
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So many words, but no evidence. The Russia hoax will go down in history as the biggest fake conspiracy theory ever recorded. The history book will not be kind to those who perpetuated that hoax and then politicized COVID for political purposes to win an election. Compounded with using the corrupt justice system to arrest political opponents, this will be remembered as a dark era in American history. The corruption of Old Joe and Biden, Inc. will eventually be acknowledged. The FBI and DOJ are giving it the slow roll in the hope that they can delay any prosecution until after the 2024 election to protect their jobs.
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Let's remember who is claiming Trump's Russian collusion "is a hoax". Donald Trump himself, a pathological liar, a twice impeached indicted arrested criminal.
Does anyone actually believe Trump is going to admit his Russian pals helped him steal the 2016 election when he lost the popular vote by over 3 million votes? This is the same criminal who openly tried to steal the 2020 election from the American people and Joe Biden and he still lies about that election being "rigged".
Right wingers parrot the "no collusion" lie because they can't admit their orange cult leader is a loser. These are the same clowns that make up 2020 election conspiracies so they can feel better about Donnie losing in a blowout election.
Donald Trump's former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, another indicted criminal who went to prison, gave a Russian spy the 2016 Trump campaign internal polling data. Why would an American political campaign give sensitive polling data to a foreign enemy if nothing nefarious was intended?
So, the act of Manafort giving a Russian spy the Trump campaign polling data is "collusion". Both parties were in an agreement to collude with each other for the 2016 election.
Paul Manafort himself admitted to handing this data over to a Russian spy who was in Russian Intelligence. Why would an American campaign chairman do that if nothing nefarious was intended?
Right wingers have no answers for that. My tweet the other day on Twitter received 250k views and not a single right winger could give a decent answer as to why it's acceptable for Trump to give polling data to the Russians. All I saw were the lame usual excuses and denials.
So the fact is, the Russians received Trump polling data from the Trump campaign. That sensitive polling data showed which districts in important states Trump was losing to Clinton. It's also no coincidence, that the Russians attacked those same swing districts Trump was losing in: Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. And the result was Trump got 77,000 more votes in those three states. That's called Russian interference.
So yes, Russian collusion and interference is REAL because United States Intelligence confirmed it and Paul Manafort ADMITTED to it. Handing over your sensitive campaign polling data to a foreign enemy is the very definition of COLLUSION.
Right wingers won't admit to it, but that's exactly what it is.
Ex-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort admits sharing info with Russians
Mr Manafort has previously denied sharing polling data with suspected Russian spy Konstantin Kilimnik
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/paul-manafort-russia-polling-data-b2140727.html
U.S. says Russia was given Trump campaign polling data in 2016
"A Treasury Department statement Thursday offered a potentially significant clue, asserting that Konstantin Kilimnik, a Russian and Ukrainian political consultant, had shared sensitive campaign and polling information with Russian intelligence services.
Kilimnik has long been alleged by U.S. officials to have ties to Russian intelligence. But the statement in a broader Treasury Department sanctions announcement was the first time the U.S. government had so directly drawn a connection from the Trump campaign to the Kremlin’s intelligence services. The revelation was all the more startling because it went beyond any allegation made in either special counsel Robert Mueller’s 2019 report or in an even more damning and detailed document released last year by the Senate Intelligence Committee."
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/u-s-says-russia-was-given-trump-campaign-polling-data-in-2016
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Today, Rep. Eric Swalwell got former Justice Department special counsel John Durham to admit under oath that there's substantial evidence that Russia interfered in the 2016 election.
Watch: https://twitter.com/i/status/1671682016280969216