The Position of the Bolt on the MC

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Online Walt Cakebread

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #250 on: August 11, 2022, 05:12:37 PM »
Nice catch Walt. Very nice catch. To add further - and the breadcrumb shells - it's almost like they didn't want to hide a fully empty gun. So they just jammed one more bullet in there, perhaps to ensure that bullet matched the shells. And like the fake backyard photos, they got really greedy with those photos. It's one think to have a guy standing there with Lee's head pasted over it perhaps holding just the rifle. But no - they added in the pistol and even the left-wing newspapers too. Funnily enough, it goes against everything we know about Oswald.

it's almost like they didn't want to hide a fully empty gun.

Yes sir, Mr Walton....  I believe that you're on the right track.   By leaving that live round in the rifle it lent a bit more credibility to the hoax the Lee was perpetrating.  ( He wanted Castro to believe that he had shot at JFK, just as he wanted Castro to believe that he had taken a shot at General Walker) 

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« Reply #251 on: August 14, 2022, 06:52:51 PM »
Yes, exactly. Great point. It makes no sense. Here we have a guy supposedly doing the deed up there, lets the shells fly all over the place [and one shell's rim was dented BTW] but takes the time to wipe down the gun and hide it. If there really had been someone up there and they took the shells too, think of the interesting ramifications that would entail about the official narrative. So I've always thought of the throw down shells as being like breadcrumbs for the story.

It reminds me of the Jeff MacDonald case - three strangers go into the home and cause all kinds of havoc on the women in there, leave old Jeff with a scratch, he supposedly fights them off, the coffee table is turned over, but all of the nick knacks on the curio shelf are undisturbed.

As for the gun itself, here's a variant of the rifle. I'm no gun expert but creaky to use. And per Pat Speer looking through the misaligned scope would have caused even more time per shot to look through it and find the target because of the warped view in a scope. He supposedly hit Kennedy in the back, loads, looks through the scope, scores a supposedly wild shot way off and downwind, loads and looks in it again and scores the head shot.

Sure, sure he did.


takes the time to wipe down the gun and hide it.

If Lee Oswald had been an assassin and he was firing that carcano from the sixth floor window.....WHEN would he have had the time needed to take the time to wipe down the gun and hide it.....?  You may recall that he was encountered in the second floor lunchroom, by officer Baker and Roy Truly just 90 seconds after the FIRST shot was fired. 

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« Reply #252 on: August 16, 2022, 08:35:17 PM »
takes the time to wipe down the gun and hide it.

If Lee Oswald had been an assassin and he was firing that carcano from the sixth floor window.....WHEN would he have had the time needed to take the time to wipe down the gun and hide it.....?  You may recall that he was encountered in the second floor lunchroom, by officer Baker and Roy Truly just 90 seconds after the FIRST shot was fired.

When the WC attempted to re-enact the imaginary actions of Lee Oswald they started the stop watch at the sound of the FIRST shot.....  Then they imagined that all three shots had been fired in 6 seconds ( an impossible feat with that old carcano ) But, since they needed to subtract those six seconds from the time elapsed between the shooting and the time Baker and Truly saw Lee Oswald in the second floor lunchroom in reality they should have had Baker seeing that shadow in the lunchroom just 84 seconds after the shooting .....and that means Baker would have arrived at the second floor BEFORE Lee could have reached that lunchroom. 

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #253 on: August 17, 2022, 12:58:46 AM »
When the WC attempted to re-enact the imaginary actions of Lee Oswald they started the stop watch at the sound of the FIRST shot.....  Then they imagined that all three shots had been fired in 6 seconds ( an impossible feat with that old carcano ) But, since they needed to subtract those six seconds from the time elapsed between the shooting and the time Baker and Truly saw Lee Oswald in the second floor lunchroom in reality they should have had Baker seeing that shadow in the lunchroom just 84 seconds after the shooting .....and that means Baker would have arrived at the second floor BEFORE Lee could have reached that lunchroom.
Re-enactments have Oswald taking 47 sec & 48 sec to reach the lunchroom (or at least the 2nd floor).

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« Reply #253 on: August 17, 2022, 12:58:46 AM »

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« Reply #254 on: August 17, 2022, 02:07:46 AM »
Re-enactments have Oswald taking 47 sec & 48 sec to reach the lunchroom (or at least the 2nd floor).

You're wrong Bubba....  Read the WR.

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« Reply #255 on: August 17, 2022, 07:00:40 AM »
According to Tom Aleya, the cameraman who accompanied the search team , There was a search made “floor by floor” all the way to the roof. They found nothing at first and then they were joined by Will Fritz about 18 minutes later and began a search on the 6th floor exclusively looking for a rifle since Mooney had discovered shells at the SN window.

Now that’s 7 floors plus the roof top also= 8 floors

According to Boones watch the MC rifle was found by himself and Weitzman  at 1:22 pm.

To find the rifle at some time AFTER Fritz joined the search team 18 minutes after they completed the  1-8 floor search and begin a SECOND search of the 6th floor, (and presuming the search team doesn’t even  enter TSBD until approx 4min post shots) then ..

1:22-12:34= 48 minutes

 Fritz not arriving until 18 minutes later to begin 2nd search of just the 6th floor puts the time at 30 minutes to have searched 8 floors = 30/8= only 3.5min/floor (average)

It may even be less than that.

I’m guessing it was another 10 minutes at least after Fritz was on the 6th floor that the rifle was found, which would reduce the average search time per floor to 20/8= 2.5 minutes per flloor in order that a rifle could be found at 1:22pm.

This seems a bit suspect to me that each floor was thoroughly searched in only 2.5 minutes/floor.

Therefore I have to question about the time when the MC rifle was found and if the 1:22pm time stamp is erroneous or false

If so, then the post planting of an MC rifle has some plausibility and might explain the anomalous bolt not locked, misaligned scope and location of the rifle at boxes close to the staircase and lapse of time between a partial photo taken and Tom Aleya allowed to start motion camera recording.

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« Reply #256 on: August 17, 2022, 10:49:01 AM »
According to Tom Aleya, the cameraman who accompanied the search team , There was a search made “floor by floor” all the way to the roof. They found nothing at first and then they were joined by Will Fritz about 18 minutes later and began a search on the 6th floor exclusively looking for a rifle since Mooney had discovered shells at the SN window.

Now that’s 7 floors plus the roof top also= 8 floors

According to Boones watch the MC rifle was found by himself and Weitzman  at 1:22 pm.

To find the rifle at some time AFTER Fritz joined the search team 18 minutes after they completed the  1-8 floor search and begin a SECOND search of the 6th floor, (and presuming the search team doesn’t even  enter TSBD until approx 4min post shots) then ..

1:22-12:34= 48 minutes

 Fritz not arriving until 18 minutes later to begin 2nd search of just the 6th floor puts the time at 30 minutes to have searched 8 floors = 30/8= only 3.5min/floor (average)

It may even be less than that.

I’m guessing it was another 10 minutes at least after Fritz was on the 6th floor that the rifle was found, which would reduce the average search time per floor to 20/8= 2.5 minutes per flloor in order that a rifle could be found at 1:22pm.

This seems a bit suspect to me that each floor was thoroughly searched in only 2.5 minutes/floor.

Therefore I have to question about the time when the MC rifle was found and if the 1:22pm time stamp is erroneous or false

If so, then the post planting of an MC rifle has some plausibility and might explain the anomalous bolt not locked, misaligned scope and location of the rifle at boxes close to the staircase and lapse of time between a partial photo taken and Tom Aleya allowed to start motion camera recording.


It appears that you must believe that there was only one team searching one floor at a time. Where do you come up with that idea?

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« Reply #256 on: August 17, 2022, 10:49:01 AM »

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #257 on: August 17, 2022, 11:51:24 AM »
You're wrong Bubba....  Read the WR.

You're lying. Otherwise you'd be all-to-eager to help yourself disprove Iacoletti's 'Walt's Fabrications' list


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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #258 on: August 17, 2022, 12:36:05 PM »
You're wrong Bubba....  Read the WR.
There were 2 re-enactments -- 47 sec -- & 48 sec -- with no great rush.
U can ignore the WC 78 sec or whatever re-enactment -- according to their film Oswald was slowly mincing along & stopping to smell flowers.

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« Reply #258 on: August 17, 2022, 12:36:05 PM »

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #259 on: August 17, 2022, 02:01:57 PM »
You're lying. Otherwise you'd be all-to-eager to help yourself disprove Iacoletti's 'Walt's Fabrications' list

It's not that hard to find -- even for somebody as ignorant as Chapman.

WCR p. 152:

A test was also conducted to determine the time required to walk from the southeast corner of the sixth floor to the second-floor lunchroom by stairway. Special Agent John Howlett of the Secret Service carried a rifle from the southeast corner of the sixth floor along the east aisle to the northeast corner. He placed the rifle on the floor near the site where Oswald’s rifle was actually found after the shooting. Then Howlett walked down the stairway to the second-floor landing and entered the lunchroom. The first test, run at normal walking pace, required 1 minute, 18 seconds; the second test, at a “fast walk” took 1 minute, 14 seconds. The second test followed immediately after the first. The only interval was the time necessary to ride in the elevator from the second to the sixth floor and walk back to the southeast corner. Howlett was not short winded at the end of either test run.

 

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