Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie

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Offline Alan Ford

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Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« on: July 02, 2022, 02:07:53 AM »
Friends, in his same-day affidavit, Mr Bill Shelley says that, upon hearing three shots, he ran down off the front steps and encountered Ms Gloria Calvery out by the corner of the 'park'. She told him what she had just seen. Mr Shelley then went back to the building.

(Note! Mr Shelley was best man at Ms Calvery's wedding just months before, so he certainly isn't going to be confusing her with anyone else!)

No mention in this affidavit of Mr Billy Lovelady leaving the steps with him.

In his same-day affidavit, Mr Billy Lovelady makes no mention of any excursion off the steps with Mr Shelley.

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By the time of their Warren Commission testimony, both men are telling the following story:

1. They both remained on the steps until such time as Ms Calvery came running up to those steps and told what she had seen
2. They then left the steps together and started heading west
3. However, before going down to the railroad tracks, they each turned around and noticed Mr Roy Truly and an officer 'fixin' to' enter the building (ca. 3-4 minutes after the shots!)
4. They spent a short time looking at the action in the railroad yards before re-entering the building (ca. 5 mins post-shooting) via the small west door

Question! Why has Mr Shelley so dramatically changed his story? Why does he no longer wish to talk of leaving the steps in time to meet Ms Calvery out by the corner of the park?

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In his HSCA interview, Mr Lovelady--when confronted for the first time with video evidence of him standing on the front steps well after the assassination (Martin film)--will admit that he did not in fact re-enter the building until 20-25 minutes after the shooting!

Furthermore! The Darnell film appears to show Mr Lovelady (though no Mr Shelley) still on the steps ~30 secs post-shooting-------------with Officer Baker racing past Mr Truly towards the TSBD front entrance.

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The story told by Messrs Shelley & Lovelady to the WC is, in short, a complete mess. They are clearly lying.

Question! WHY? What could be the Big Truth behind their Big Lie?

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Let's start by making an eminently reasonable triple assumption---------:

1. Mr Shelley told the truth in his same-day affidavit (----> left steps quickly and encountered Ms Calvery out by the corner of the 'park')
2. Mr Lovelady did not leave the steps with him, but was still there (as per what Darnell appears to show) when Ms Calvery reached them AND was STILL there when Mr Martin's camera was filming those same steps some 20-30 minutes later
3. Neither Mr Shelley nor Mr Lovelady were guilty of any involvement in the assassination

Question! What might follow from these three premises?

Remember................it needs to be something important enough for Messrs Shelley and Lovelady to need to lie extravagantly to hide it!

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Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
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Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2022, 03:49:49 AM »
Now!

What if Mr Shelley ran off those steps very quickly indeed (as per his same-day affidavit), and was followed by someone who was also on the steps but was not Mr Lovelady? This someone might then quite literally be said to have gone out with Bill Shelley in front.

After checking out the scene down by the railroad yards, Mr Shelley and A. N. Other re-entered the building via the small west door.

Some things begin to fall into place, no? Starting with the need for a fake story of Mr Lovelady being the person who followed Mr Shelley............
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« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2022, 04:22:49 AM »
On the above scenario.......................

Mr Shelley and A. N. Other are now back inside the building. Mr Lovelady is still out on the steps.

Mr Robert MacNeil enters the building looking for a telephone. He notices three "calm" men on the first floor. One is Mr Shelley; another is A. N. Other; the third is (perhaps?) Mr Buell Wesley Frazier, who has re-entered via the front door.

Several minutes later, Mr Roy Truly and Officer Baker return from the roof. They discuss the situation with------amongst others------TSBD Veep Mr Ochus Campbell. This scene is caught on Mr Tom Alyea's camera. Mr Campbell here witnesses a seemingly minor incident: Officer Baker notices A. N. Other in the small storage room over on the east side of the first floor, and wonders who the man is. He may even go over to him and challenge him. Mr Truly, however, informs Officer Baker that the man is ok, he works there. Mr Campbell will mention this seemingly minor incident to pressmen later that day.

A little later, and Mr Truly is at the front entrance with Lt. Eric Kaminski, who has been posted there to control who comes in and out. A. N. Other comes up, wishing to leave. Lt. Kaminski stops him and only lets him pass when Mr Truly vouches for him as an employee. This seemingly minor incident is witnessed by Mr Billy Lovelady, who is still standing out on the steps. In a few minutes' time he will mention it to Mr James Jarman, who will years later mention the fact to the HSCA.

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« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2022, 07:07:04 PM »
Still within this scenario..................

Mr Shelley's having spent time away from the building in the company of A. N. Other presents the 'investigating' authorities with a major potential problem. Any number of TSBD-employee witnesses out on the street could come forward to say they noticed Mr Shelley (a well-known figure in the Depository) with this male employee. There might even be a photograph or two showing Messrs Shelley & Other together in the background.

Enter Mr Lovelady----------who bears enough of a resemblance to A. N. Other to occupy that man's role in the retelling of the tale. 'The witness must have confused him with Lovelady, who we know headed west with Shelley.' 'Yes, that man with Shelley looks like X, but our investigations have actually established that he is Billy Lovelady'

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« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2022, 07:12:52 PM »
If A. N. Other went outside to watch the P. Parade wearing a white tshirt (no shirt, no jacket), then this complicates the Lovelady-as-Shelley's-companion deal.

Solution? Have Mr Lovelady pretend he was wearing a light-colored short-sleeved shirt when he himself went outside to watch P. Parade. (He won't get away with just a white tshirt-------------------> Altgens gives the lie to that!)

This---------again---------will make it easier to neutralize any pesky witnesses who might come forward ('Not X, but Lovelady'), and explain away the appearance of A. N. Other with Mr Shelley in the background of any photograph/film ('Not X, but Lovelady').

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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2022, 01:57:34 AM »
Several minutes later, Mr Roy Truly and Officer Baker return from the roof. They discuss the situation with------amongst others------TSBD Veep Mr Ochus Campbell. This scene is caught on Mr Tom Alyea's camera. Mr Campbell here witnesses a seemingly minor incident: Officer Baker notices A. N. Other in the small storage room over on the east side of the first floor, and wonders who the man is. He may even go over to him and challenge him. Mr Truly, however, informs Officer Baker that the man is ok, he works there. Mr Campbell will mention this seemingly minor incident to pressmen later that day.

Sidebar!

Is the man in the background (beside Mr Truly, behind Mr Campbell)
=======> holding a soda bottle in his right hand (initial frames)
=======> taking a sip from it (later frames)
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« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2022, 06:13:00 AM »

By the time of their Warren Commission testimony, both men are telling the following story:

1. They both remained on the steps until such time as Ms Calvery came running up to those steps and told what she had seen
2. They then left the steps together and started heading west
3. However, before going down to the railroad tracks, they each turned around and noticed Mr Roy Truly and an officer 'fixin' to' enter the building (ca. 3-4 minutes after the shots!)

Contrast this WC testimony account with what Mr Lovelady is saying-----------or is being made to say-------------in this 11/22/63 FBI interview report, taken after the DPD affidavit:

He heard three shots. At first he thought it was a firecracker or the backfire of a motorcycle. He could not tell from which direction the shots came. He said immediately after hearing the shots he and Shelley started running towards the Presidential car, but it sped away west on Elm Street under the triple underpass.

This describes a very quick departure from the steps.

I am suggesting, on the scenario outlined on this thread, that Mr Lovelady may here be describing not what he did but what Mr Oswald did:

He heard three shots. At first he thought it was a firecracker or the backfire of a motorcycle. He could not tell from which direction the shots came. He said immediately after hearing the shots he and Shelley started running towards the Presidential car, but it sped away west on Elm Street under the triple underpass.

"Out with Bill Shelley in front"

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« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2022, 06:27:48 AM »
If A. N. Other went outside to watch the P. Parade wearing a white tshirt (no shirt, no jacket), then this complicates the Lovelady-as-Shelley's-companion deal.

Solution? Have Mr Lovelady pretend he was wearing a light-colored short-sleeved shirt when he himself went outside to watch P. Parade. (He won't get away with just a white tshirt-------------------> Altgens gives the lie to that!)

This---------again---------will make it easier to neutralize any pesky witnesses who might come forward ('Not X, but Lovelady'), and explain away the appearance of A. N. Other with Mr Shelley in the background of any photograph/film ('Not X, but Lovelady').

Well!

Mr Lovelady will later claim that the short-sleeved shirt thing was a misunderstanding: he never told FBI he was wearing such on the day of the assassination, he merely happened to wear it on the day of the photo shoot at the FBI Dallas Office (late Feb '64), and they got the wrong end of the stick.....................

Unfortunately, however, this doesn't wash. In May '64, before the photograph of Mr Lovelady wearing the short-sleeved shirt is out in the public domain, the following is published by Mr Dom Bonafede:



Are we really to believe that Mr Jones Harris made the exact same mistake as the FBI? Or that he enjoyed privileged access to their not-yet-public photographs of Mr Lovelady?



Hardly! For some reason, Mr Lovelady is sticking by the lie that he wore a shirt on 11/22 other than the one he actually wore.

I am suggesting that the reason may in fact be: in case the white t-shirt-wearing Mr Oswald should turn up beside Mr Shelley in the background of a Dealey Plaza aftermath photo.

And for the selfsame reason, Mr Lovelady is, in the months following the assassination, paranoid-------and I mean paranoid--------about having his photograph taken under non-controlled conditions. He has been told to keep himself viable as the Oswald Stand-In for the contingency of an Oswald+Shelley photograph turning up.

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« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2022, 06:56:29 AM »
Which brings us to this ridiculous, naturalistically impossible 'shadow' down Mr Lovelady's side in the Wiegman film:



We know beyond any doubt that, at the time this image was taken, Mr Lovelady was in fact facing into full direct sunlight.

But why would a fake shadow need to be added? To hide a simple but---------on the scenario outlined on this thread----------dangerous detail:

Mr Lovelady was in long sleeves

Sans fake shadow, Wiegman would have put the lie to this little charade:



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« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2022, 07:04:08 AM »
On this scenario:

Mr Lovelady's innocent presence on the front steps, and his innocent resemblance to Mr Oswald, meant that-------------through no fault of his own-------------he was used to help deprive Mr Oswald of a clearer-than-clearest-day alibi

 

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