The physics of "back and to the left"

[Gary Craig]

Stated like the preceding part of the post proved something while admitting that it cannot demonstratively be proven.
It is stated that something is possible and then concluding it is the only possibility.
Other possibilities always remain. Perhaps JFK was hit simultaneously with two shots thereby causing a violent reaction. Although this also can no longer be a proven probability.
However combined with ear witness statements and an assumption that there could have been at least two shooters it cannot be eliminated as a possibility.
Finally, even if there was a spasmodic reaction to a single shot as theorized ...it doesn't prove who did the shooting.

quote author=Martin Hinrichs

"What we see here is in my eyes clearly the impact-moment of the shot which hits Kennedy in his back."



"Credit Giuseppe Sabatino"

= 2nd shooter IMO

[Dan O'meara]

quote author=Martin Hinrichs

"What we see here is in my eyes clearly the impact-moment of the shot which hits Kennedy in his back."



"Credit Giuseppe Sabatino"

= 2nd shooter IMO

The shot through JFK has already occurred before z228.
That's why his fists are already up near his throat.
IMO, the movement forward is part of his reaction to a shot that has already passed through him.
The main reason for thinking this is that JBC is already reacting violently by this point.

[Robert Reeves]

Interesting.

Two shots at approximately z228. One from the front right, and one from the rear. Synced

fractionally first shot in the back. below



and the shot from the front right hitting the chin, in this instance.



And Bingo! same sequence of events at z228 are repeated in z313. A shot hitting JFK in the back (oh the head) from the rear, simultaneously (as witnesses described hearing) ... a kill shot from the front right.



*edited typo

[Gary Craig]

The shot through JFK has already occurred before z228.
That's why his fists are already up near his throat.
IMO, the movement forward is part of his reaction to a shot that has already passed through him.
The main reason for thinking this is that JBC is already reacting violently by this point.

IMO The shot before 228 hit JFK in the throat from the front. Just as the Drs at Parkland, who saw the wound before the tracheotomy, said. JFK's movenment from Z228 to Z236, a third of a second, is from a shot from behind.

[Steve Barber]

The shot through JFK has already occurred before z228.
That's why his fists are already up near his throat.
IMO, the movement forward is part of his reaction to a shot that has already passed through him.
The main reason for thinking this is that JBC is already reacting violently by this point.

  Hi Dan,   Over the years, many people have made the mistake of saying that JFK "clutched his throat", or that his hands went for his throat. 
If you look closely, JFK's right hand is cupped over his mouth when it reaches its highest point, and his left hand shows his index finger  extended and partially curled, while the remaining 3 fingers are curled.  His thumb cannot be seen.  The left hand rises up against the underside of his right hand.   It looks to me as is JFK sudden slightly rising up and then sudden motion back down is the result of gagging, after the bullet passed through his throat. Thus, his hand cupped over his mouth.  As he turns his head to his left, his right hand remains in position and is level at one point with his cheek until he brings it down once Mrs Kennedy takes hold of his left arm.   The truth is, is that his hands never went near his throat.

[Steve Barber]

Interesting.

Two shots at approximately z228. One from the front right, and one from the rear. Synced

fractionally first shot in the back. below



and the shot from the front right hitting the chin, in this instance.

  Oh, so now you've personally moved the exit wound in the throat up to the chin.  Aren't you one of those who are always citing the doctors at Parkland describing the wounds as accurate?   IF so, why didn't anyone mention a wound on the chin?  Where do you come up with such things?

 


And Bingo! same sequence of events at z228 are repeated in z313. A shot hitting JFK in the back and shot from the rear, simultaneously ... a kill shot from the front right.

 Really?   How did a shot from the front throw head matter all over the entire inside of the limousine, the windshield, the hood of the car, the side rails, the inside and outside of the right sun visor, Greer, Kellerman, and the Connally's?  And why do we see the top of JFK's head fly through the air, only to land in pieces several yards ahead of where the limousine was positioned at the time of the fatal shot, only to be discovered by three different people, i.e. David Burros, and Seymour Weitzman who found skull fragments the day of the assassination, and Billy Harper, who found a fragment on the day after?  All of this points to the fatal shot having come from behind the president, and above and the trajectory of the head matter following the trajectory of the bullet-save for the minute spray that Hargis and Martin drove through and landed on them--not to mention can clearly be seen in the Zapruder film drifting to the rear with the breeze.

[Brian Roselle]

Steve, I agree with you that the "clutching the throat" after the ~z222 strike is probably not the whole story (and may not even be the main part of the story).

Two things have bothered me around the grasping for the throat or choking move as a reaction explanation.

The first is that a major contraction of the deltoids to raise the elbows up so high, for me that seems to actually put the hands a little too high to readily come back down and access the throat/neck, the chin become a blocking agent and would seem to hinder a quick natural throat protection response. Having the elbows down low and with just flexing the forearms up to facilitate grabbing the throat seems more efficient natural emergency response there. That is one reason I don't like the throat grasping explanation.

The second is that I don't recall seeing any other really rigorous medical explanation for those reactions. They are so unusual, I would have expected to find more on what could cause it. I can't recall if I have linked this before, but I went looking in neurological resources and journals for possibly a more detailed explanation. Spastic Paralysis seemed to describe the injury caused by associated nerve trauma, and if the reactions can be quick to engage, JFK's condition on film looks to have most all the typical symptoms seen in the literature.

https://sites.google.com/view/spastic-paralysis/home
 
Sometime maybe I could find a top end neurologist to share this with and get comments on if this, vs. choking, is a more likely response to what we see on film.