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Online Richard Smith

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« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2022, 12:41:50 AM »
Just what we need.  Yet another political, non-JFK assassination, anti-Trump political thread on this forum.  There are only a dozen or so of those created by one poster to the tune of tens of thousands of posts on the topic.  But since this is here, the whole QAnon business is something created by leftist nuts and media to make Trump supporters appear to be conspiracy theorists.  It's a bogus movement started by leftist and populated by a handful of nuts.  Anyone with half a brain knows that no one believes JFK is headed back to Dallas.  But that fits a desired narrative, though.  It's a hoax.  Like the alleged plot to kidnap Whitmer which turned out to be FBI-driven hoax.  Or Russian collusion.  Hoax.  It's laughable that anyone takes this nonsense seriously.   
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« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2022, 12:47:54 AM »
  It's a hoax.  Like the alleged plot to kidnap Whitmer which turned out to be FBI-driven hoax. 
See? ....Richard Smith does believe in conspiracies.  ;)
From the depths of the Deep State no less.

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« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2022, 12:50:04 AM »
See? ....Richard Smith does believe in conspiracies.  ;)
From the depths of the Deep State no less.

Sure there are many conspiracies in history.  I've never said otherwise.  There was a conspiracy to kill President Lincoln, for example.  What proves a conspiracy is the evidence of the involvement of more than one person.  That is not the case in the JFK assassination. 

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« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2022, 01:43:24 AM »
First of all, the Governor Whitmer kidnapping plot is not a "hoax". The poster above who posted that is posting clear disinformation. That's a conspiracy theory Fox "News" pushes for the gullible sheep just like they claimed there was "massive voter fraud" that wasn't. The trial against the two men accused of the kidnapping plot ended in a hung jury. Federal prosecutors plan to try the men again. The article is below at the bottom.       

Russian collusion is not a hoax. The Senate Intelligence Report stated that there was Rusian collusion and Russia admitted they helped to elect Criminal Donald. Articles are again below. 

QAnon is not "made up by leftists to make Trump look bad". That's a ridiculous false claim. Republican Representatives Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert are both QAnon cultists.   

Radical QAnon Trump cultists believe JFK is alive and was not assassinated, so this is perfectly relevant to the JFK case.

Of course the QAnon lunatics believe JFK and JFK Jr are coming back to Dallas. They are cult members who follow Donald Trump and keep coming back to Dallas. Only a radical supporter of Criminal Donald would get offended by this.

The GOP and the right wing media ARE conspiracy theorists. They push QAnon conspiracy theories.They all pushed Trump's election fraud lies. Fox "News", Newsmax, OANN, and Trump's cohorts all got sued by Dominion Voting Systems. They lied about Dominion "rigging the vote". And we can't forget about the "Cyber Ninjas" in Arizona who claimed the ballots contained "bamboo from China". All of these lies were pushed by Republicans and the right wing media. Yes indeed they are conspiracy theorists, and their conspiracy theories made it possible for these QAnon kooks to keep coming back to Dallas looking for JFK  Senior and Junior to emerge from the shadows to join forces with Trump.         

QAnon cultists wear t shirts depicting Trump/JFK/JFK Jr. as they wait for their "grand return". These people are nuts and want to take over our government. Many QAnon cultists are running for office as Republicans in 2022 including the man who people say is "Q" (Ron Watkins) who makes up these bogus conspiracy theories.   





QAnon and the Trump cult: Expert Steven Hassan on whether they can be saved
https://www.salon.com/2021/03/25/qanon-and-the-trump-cult-expert-steven-hassan-on-whether-they-can-be-saved/

How Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, promoter of QAnon's baseless theories, rose with support from key Republicans
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/greene-qanon-house-trump-republicans/2021/01/30/321b4258-623c-11eb-ac8f-4ae05557196e_story.html

How Trump Ally Michael Flynn Nurtured And Profited From The QAnon Conspiracy Theory.
https://theintercept.com/2021/06/27/qanon-michael-flynn-digital-soldiers/

Feds move forward on case against ‘leaders’ of Whitmer kidnap plot
https://www.woodtv.com/news/michigan/feds-move-forward-on-case-against-leaders-of-whitmer-kidnap-plot/

U.S. Senate report goes beyond Mueller to lay bare Trump campaign's Russia links
Bipartisan intelligence panel says that Russian who worked on Trump’s 2016 bid was career spy, amid a stunning range of contacts
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/18/donald-trump-us-senate-report-russia-campaign

Kremlin papers appear to show Putin’s plot to put Trump in White House
Exclusive: Documents suggest Russia launched secret multi-agency effort to interfere in US democracy
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/15/kremlin-papers-appear-to-show-putins-plot-to-put-trump-in-white-house

Fox News Hit With Massive Lawsuit Over Rigged Election Lies
The network is being sued by election technology company Dominion for $1.6 billion
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/03/fox-news-hit-with-massive-lawsuit-over-rigged-election-lies
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« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2022, 11:28:15 AM »
Well, the Trump QAnon cultists once again suffered more disappointment as JFK and JFK Jr. were both no shows at the huge gala event in Dallas, Texas waiting for their "grand return". But don't worry, their cult leader Michael Protzman says JFK and JFK Jr. will now make their triumphant return on June 24th. So, these loons are staying in Dallas until the 24th believing that's the day the Kennedy's will emerge from the shadows. These cultists also believe that "JFK wears a mask so he could be anyone". Absolutely insane how people are so weak minded that they can fall for a scam like this.

Here's a photo of some of the Trump QAnon cultists eagerly awaiting the "grand return" of JFK and JFK Jr. 



 
2022 Karma has some videos on cult leader Michael Protzman.

2022 Karma @2022_Karma
After Michael Protzman’s aka -48 failed prediction that JFK the second coming of Jesus Christ would return on the 11th June, -48 has moved the Goalposts to the 24th of June. Sometime between now and then the 10 days of darkness will happen according to -48.

Watch: https://twitter.com/i/status/1536479739967414273

2022 Karma
-48 tells his followers that Durham is JFK and that JFK wears a mask, so basically JFK can be anyone he tells his followers he is.

Watch: https://twitter.com/i/status/1536479847278444544

2022 Karma
-48 told his followers that after he watched 2000 Mules he realized that Gregg Philips was really John McAfee.

Watch: https://twitter.com/i/status/1536479983782469632

If you don't know what "2000 Mules" is, that's a Trump "election fraud" conspiracy documentary produced by convicted criminal Dinesh D’Souza who was pardoned by Criminal Donald. Dinesh is currently pushing this phony "2020 election fraud" documentary and it's been hyped on Faux News. Trump's former Attorney General Bill Barr called it joke on tape and it was played during the January 6th Committee Hearings yesterday. Dinesh even claimed he dated Faux News hack Laura Ingraham in college. All of these conspiracy theorists are all intertwined with Trump and the right wing media to push their insane lies and disinformation. 


Convicted criminal Dinesh D’Souza

Here's Bill Barr on tape laughing at this bogus "documentary".

Watch: https://twitter.com/i/status/1536377673886404608
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« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2022, 04:37:43 PM »
The jury found that the FBI concocted the fake plot to kidnap Whitmer.  They found a few numbskulls who didn't like her and set up a "plot" to kidnap her.  These guys were just pawns in the FBI's desperate effort to make a political arrest that harmed Trump.  As a result, the jury did not convict any of the defendants.  To suggest otherwise is the disinformation.  The facts speak for themselves and can be easily verified by anyone who does a one second Google search.  That doesn't fit the desired narrative, however.  So keep peddling a falsheood.  In addition, there are not ten people in the entire world who believed JFK was coming back from the dead.  Not even mentally ill people.  That is a fake story given social media attention to make Trump supporters look like loons.


 "A federal jury failed to convict four men accused of plotting to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer."

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« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2022, 11:47:09 PM »
The above is blatant propaganda. The fact is, defense attorneys use any bogus excuse to get their clients off the hook and that's what we have here. There was no "fake plot" as the above nonsense says. These two right wing radicals plotted to kidnap Governor Whitmer. The only argument in their defense was "entrapment" and that's not a "fake plot". Sad that people need to post disinformation to push their false political narratives. 

Feds move forward on case against ‘leaders’ of Whitmer kidnap plot

GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. (WOOD) — Federal prosecutors are moving forward with their case against two men accused of leading a plot to kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer after their trial ended with a hung jury.

The attorneys for Adam Fox and Barry Croft Jr. last month filed a motion to dismiss all charges against the men. But federal prosecutors have responded with a motion asking the judge to deny that request.

“The evidence adduced at trial was sufficient to support the defendants’ conviction as to all the charged offenses,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Nils R. Kessler wrote in his response.

A hearing is scheduled for June 14 before Chief U.S. District Judge Robert J. Jonker.

"The parties should be prepared to address logistical questions regarding duration and timing of re-trial if the court denies the (acquittal) motion,” the judge wrote.

On April 8, following a 20-day trial, the jury deadlocked on the cases against Fox and Croft while finding co-defendants Daniel Harris and Brandon Caserta not guilty.

The feds said the men started the conspiracy in June 2020 at a meeting of militia members in Ohio. Their plan, they said, evolved to kidnapping the governor from her cottage in Elk Rapids, blowing up a bridge or two to slow down police, then taking her in a boat, either to strand her in Lake Michigan or to Wisconsin to face trial and execution.

They were angry, the feds said, over Whitmer’s response to the COVID-19 pandemic and hoped to ignite a second Civil War.

Defense attorneys argued that the FBI, working with informants, entrapped their clients.

“Government agents may not originate a criminal design,” Fox’s attorney, Christopher Gibbons, wrote in his motion to acquit. “Yet that is precisely what occurred here. In this case, the Government produced evidence that Adam Fox was prone to speaking offensively, making objectively anti-government statements, and juvenile remarks casually advocating violence.”

The feds, in their response, argued the FBI did not entrap the men.

"Both Fox and Croft espoused anti-government action long before they met any government agents or informants,” Kessler wrote in his motion. “Croft had been advocating a ‘second American revolution’ (including tattooing his body with insurrectionist slogans) for years, and proposed hanging a governor to destabilize the states like ‘dominoes.”

“The jury saw Fox likewise broadcast his desire to ‘kick off the boogaloo’ (initiate a second civil war) before he met any government agents or sources,” he wrote.

The feds argued the men provided no evidence that the idea to kidnap Whitmer came from the government.

“On the contrary, Croft told the plotters in Dublin, Ohio, that he had received permission directly from God,” Kessler wrote. “Fox proposed storming the Capitol and trading hostages for the Governor the first time he met CHS (Informant) Dan and the other potential recruits Croft sent his way.”

U.S. Attorney Andrew Birge has said he plans to try Fox and Croft again.

https://www.woodtv.com/news/michigan/feds-move-forward-on-case-against-leaders-of-whitmer-kidnap-plot/

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« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2022, 12:30:02 AM »
Yes, QAnon is a Republican Trump cult. 
 
Confederate Flags, Conspiracies, and the Ghost of JFK Jr.: What I Saw at Trump’s Bananas Texas Rally

It’s part roadshow and part religious revival, but the show is a grift and the religion being revived is fascism


Donald Trump speaks to a crowd at a rally at the Montgomery County Fairgrounds, on Saturday, Jan. 29, 2022, in Conroe, Texas.

Conroe, Texas — The Donald Trump train made its second stop here this Saturday with a coterie of politicians, conspiracy theorists, and grifters in tow. It came on the heels of a Lara Trump rally in north Texas this past Thursday and just two weeks after a similar rally in Phoenix, Arizona. Meanwhile, six hours south at the border, the disgraced QAnon peddling general Michael Flynn and other far-right figures held an event at the exact same time followed up by a caravan to the border on Sunday. Texas Agriculture Commissioner Sid Miller, who spoke at a QAnon conference in Dallas last July, was featured as a speaker at both events.

This confluence of events in Texas demonstrates the sort of far-right politics that is coalescing here: paranoid, obsessed with or tolerant of bigoted conspiracy theories, eager to appeal to violence, and convinced they’re fighting against a secret Marxist plot. If this sounds familiar, it’s because similar politics emerged during the Weimar period in Germany, were honed by the Nazis, and later trafficked into mainstream politics via the John Birch Society — one of the sponsors of the event at the border.

Dozens of politicians from across the state and country turned out for the rally, seeking to ride on Trump’s political coattails. Governor Greg Abbott, Lt. Governor Dan Patrick, Attorney General Ken Paxton, and State Senator Dawn Buckingham all spoke glowingly of Trump and touted their endorsements from the former president.

We were in one of the reddest counties in one of the reddest states, and it showed: When I arrived at the press check-in station, the first thing I saw was a merchandise vendor with a Confederate flag — the banner of a nation that lasted only 4 years before being routed out of existence — that says “Come And Take It.” It was set up directly across from a wooden cross.

Having attended the prior rally in Arizona and the Lara Trump event on Thursday, a twisted sense of deja vu came over me when I got into the venue and began to hear the same songs, watch the same videos, listen to the same speeches, and see the same people. There were many familiar faces — election conspiracy peddling MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell and the JFK Jr. obsessed QAnon cult leader Michael Protzman — and in some instances, near word for word repeats of previous events.

Trump opened the Houston rally in the exact same manner as he did in Arizona: saying it’s the biggest rally ever, that the media is fake, and that they won’t turn their cameras around to show the crowd size. He even repeated the false claim about a 29 mile long line of cars, but this time it was 30 miles long. The crowd began to jeer at the press. When I turned around to take a photo of the overflow crowd, someone flipped me off.

From inside the press pen I was able to observe Michael Protzman, aka Negative 48, and over one hundred of his followers secure prime seats directly to the left of the stage. The Protzmanians arrived over a day early and began lining up for the event the night before, just as they had in Arizona. The group was in rare form, dancing and singing together. They wore matching red ties and shirts depicting Donald Trump, JFK, and JFK Jr. Prior to the event, Protzman predicted to his group that who they would be seeing speak at the event was not actually Trump but JFK in disguise — a claim they’ve made before regarding the Rolling Stones concert in Dallas, Texas.

When I approached Protzman and asked him what he expected to see, he responded cryptically. “You never know,” he said, before bopping off to tend to his flock and dance with one of his lieutenants, Stephen Tenner, who at one point shook hands with Mike Lindell. As of late the Protzmanians have taken to compiling a variety of non-standard calendars to ensure they have every combination of possible dates to check against their “decoding” of the numerology. This is because none of their dates or predictions have panned out.

The entire scene — replete with more merch vendors than a Grateful Dead concert — made me think of the Church of Unlimited Devotion, the infamous subset of Deadheads who believed Jerry Garcia was the second coming of Jesus. One of the central claims of Protzman’s belief system sounds awfully similar: JFK is the second coming of Jesus Christ. They also traffick in fascist propaganda and Holocaust denial.

The Protzmanians, like the Church of Unlimited Devotion, are a relatively small sect. Neither are fully representative of the larger movements from which they emerged, but they demonstrate what can happen when magical thinking and cults of personality collide and provide us an understanding of how far some folks have fallen off the map. Even if only a little over 100 out of the thousands of people at the Trump rally truly believe that JFK Jr. is secretly alive or somehow related to Christ, many attendees seem to be willing to believe other things that aren’t true, like that refugee immigration from crisis-stricken countries is a part of a sinister Marxist plot or that murders have gone up one thousand and nine hundred percent.

This strain of political thought, particularly the notion of a secret Marxist plot, isn’t new in this country. The paranoid anti-communism of McCarthyism gave way to the John Birch Society, which has sought to mainstream its far-right ideology for decades. In Conroe, I witnessed the fruits of their labor. Hats and shirts for sale that simply say “God, Guns, and Trump” and speeches that I can only describe as full-blown Bircherism.

Without a hint of irony, Texas Agriculture Commissioner Sid Miller said the upcoming elections are a race between “Patriots and Traitors,” suggesting that the side that isn’t on trial for seditious conspiracy is the traitorous one. Lt. Governor Dan Patrick said the election was stolen and that Marxists want to “take away the country from us.” Gov. Abbott made an abstruse comparison between Biden’s response to the Russian army at the Ukraine border to the Texas-Mexico border, doubling down on the idea that immigration is a part of a planned invasion. The crowd chanted “build that wall,” which Biden has continued to do in some parts.

When Trump finally took the stage after hours of patience, the temperature had dropped significantly. My toes were cold and my soles regretted the choice of cowboy boots. Trump repeated much of what he said in Arizona but mixed in some of his trademark stream of consciousness riffs to keep things fresh. Less than an hour into his speech, the crowd started to thin out. I’d heard it all before, so I decided to follow suit.

(Indeed, it was more than an hour into his rambling speech when Trump offered something new: teasing a 2024 presidential run and dangling pardons for Jan. 6 rioters if he retakes office.)

As I approached the main exit, Trump was talking about Hillary Clinton. “Lock her up!” the crowd chanted. A woman walking beside me said to no one in particular, “Clinton’s a witch, that’s why they’re never going to lock her up.”

And as I approached the parking lot by the nearby baseball fields where I’d parked, I overheard a conversation between two older women. “How does Trump expect us to stand around for five hours?” one said to the other, referring to the ban on any form of lawn chair at the event. “By the time he started talking, we were hurting.” For the first time all day, I agreed with what I was hearing.

Later that evening, I went back to a pizza place by my hotel about 40 minutes south of Conroe in an upscale suburb of Houston called The Woodlands. I got to chatting with my server, a young man with a ponytail and glasses. When I told him I’d been in Conroe, his eye twitched. He said he grew up in Conroe and that his eye had twitched for a reason. When I told him what I had seen there, he asked me if I wanted a free shot of whiskey. I wish I had asked for two.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-texas-rally-conspiracies-ghost-of-jfk-jr-1292592/

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