Lee Oswald--- The biggest "Red Herring" in American history!

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Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Lee Oswald--- The biggest "Red Herring" in American history!
« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2022, 12:53:42 AM »
"a painted red circle - actually a Dallas Fire Department indicator noting where to access the building from a ladder truck"

A "painted" red circle ( singular)  ......There were multiple red circles in the windows of the TSBD ( THREE on the 6th floor )  And it's clear ( see Tom Dillard's photo) . that the eastern most  circle on the sixth floor was NOT unobstructed.

And by examining the photo taken by Jim Murray ( page 523 POTP) it's very clear that the red ring in the window ( 2nd window from east end on 5th floor) above Junior Jarman's head in Tom Dillard' s 12:30 photo has been removed when Jim Murray took the photo of Sergeant Gerald Hill leaning ou of a sixth floor window.   IOW... The "painted on" red ring that was there at 12:30 had been removed by 1:10.
 

"all downtown buildings had sported similar red circles on upper floor windows."

Show me a photo from 11/22/63 that shows another building in Dallas that had a red ring in an upper floor window....   

Fagin cites a May 9, 1941 Dallas Morning News article "Fire Hazards infest Dallas, speaker warns".

1941!!!....  This was shortly before Pearl Harbor...... and there were rumors of enemy planes having the ability to  bomb US cities.....   Which would have created fire hazardsin many tall buildings that were not equipped with fire escapes.   Which raises a real conundrum  for you....  Why would the TSBD need RED RINGS to identify fire escape routes, when the building was equipped with a fire escape on the east side of the building??   



You are taking issue with whether red circle is singular or plural while ignoring the documented evidence that such circles were painted on Dallas buildings?  And then discussing Pearl Harbor?  Wow.  Can you understand that even if you disagree that they were necessary, that these red rings were still used by the Dallas Fire Department?  No one has to explain or be an historian of Dallas fire safety practices to confirm that the red circles were used for that purpose.

Online Zeon Mason

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Re: Lee Oswald--- The biggest "Red Herring" in American history!
« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2022, 02:12:39 AM »
Maybe the shooter was hypnotized by the MK ultra project  to respond to red circles? 😵‍💫

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Re: Lee Oswald--- The biggest "Red Herring" in American history!
« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2022, 07:57:09 PM »
You are taking issue with whether red circle is singular or plural while ignoring the documented evidence that such circles were painted on Dallas buildings?  And then discussing Pearl Harbor?  Wow.  Can you understand that even if you disagree that they were necessary, that these red rings were still used by the Dallas Fire Department?  No one has to explain or be an historian of Dallas fire safety practices to confirm that the red circles were used for that purpose.

You are taking issue with whether red circle is singular or plural while ignoring the documented evidence that such circles were painted on Dallas buildings?


My dear thick skulled dufus, .....The point is:    You cite a fire department directive that was issued in May of 1941, over twenty three years prior to November of 1963...And the directive was for buildings  over six stories tall and were not equipped with exterior fire escapes.

AND that directive stated that there should be ONE window designated as a fire escape window.

The TSBD had SIX windows with red rings in the windows...( The sixth floor had THREE red rings in different windows ) And one of the windows is obviously obstructed by boxes, which violates the directive.

Please explain how the firemen could know where to place their ladder??  ....

Please post a photo that shows red rings in the windows of any other building in Dallas on 11-22-63

PS.... I doubt that you'll answer the questions..... Because you can't.
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Re: Lee Oswald--- The biggest "Red Herring" in American history!
« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2022, 08:39:45 PM »

You are taking issue with whether red circle is singular or plural while ignoring the documented evidence that such circles were painted on Dallas buildings?


My dear thick skulled dufus, .....The point is:    You cite a fire department directive that was issued in May of 1941, over twenty three years prior to November of 1963...And the directive was for buildings  over six stories tall and were not equipped with exterior fire escapes.

AND that directive stated that there should be ONE window designated as a fire escape window.

The TSBD had SIX windows with red rings in the windows...( The sixth floor had THREE red rings in different windows ) And one of the windows is obviously obstructed by boxes, which violates the directive.

Please explain how the firemen could know where to place their ladder??  ....

Please post a photo that shows red rings in the windows of any other building in Dallas on 11-22-63

PS.... I doubt that you'll answer the questions..... Because you can't.

Again, I cited evidence confirming that red circles were used on Dallas buildings for fire safety purposes including the 1941 newspaper article that makes reference to them.  Again, whether you believe that the use of the red circles for fire safety is useful or not for their intended purpose is not relevant to that issue.  The fact remains that they were so used.  I am not a historian of Dallas fire safety requirements that can trace the entire history of use of red circles.  That is not necessary for the limited purpose of this context.  We know with absolute certainty that such red circles were used for fire safety purposes.  End of story. 

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Re: Lee Oswald--- The biggest "Red Herring" in American history!
« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2022, 12:07:09 AM »
Again, I cited evidence confirming that red circles were used on Dallas buildings for fire safety purposes including the 1941 newspaper article that makes reference to them.  Again, whether you believe that the use of the red circles for fire safety is useful or not for their intended purpose is not relevant to that issue.  The fact remains that they were so used.  I am not a historian of Dallas fire safety requirements that can trace the entire history of use of red circles.  That is not necessary for the limited purpose of this context.  We know with absolute certainty that such red circles were used for fire safety purposes.  End of story.

We know with absolute certainty that such red circles were used for fire safety purposes.  End of story.

Mr "Smith" said so and that settles it!....   Since you're the ultimate authority. Mr "Smith", please confirm that the FBI tested the Carcano before it was checked over by a gunsmith.  Isn't it true that the FBI man refused to test fire the Carcano as it was found because of dirt and rust in the barrel?

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Re: Lee Oswald--- The biggest "Red Herring" in American history!
« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2022, 04:07:06 PM »
We know with absolute certainty that such red circles were used for fire safety purposes.  End of story.

Mr "Smith" said so and that settles it!....   Since you're the ultimate authority. Mr "Smith", please confirm that the FBI tested the Carcano before it was checked over by a gunsmith.  Isn't it true that the FBI man refused to test fire the Carcano as it was found because of dirt and rust in the barrel?

I didn't say so unless you believe that I transported back in time to 1941 and wrote the article in the Dallas Morning News confirming that the red circles were used on Dallas buildings for fire safety purposes. 

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Re: Lee Oswald--- The biggest "Red Herring" in American history!
« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2022, 06:44:48 PM »
The red rings on the windows were (and are) a crucial clue just as Umbrella man is a crucial clue....

The red rings were studiously avoided and brushed aside ......   I believe the red rings were crucial because they were intended to remind JFK that he had betrayed the Cubans ( CIA)  of the brigade  at red beach at BOP.
Umbrella man was intended to remind JFK that he had "pulled the umbrella " of air cover for the Cubans at BOP. 

The red rings served a dual purpose..... Remind JFK that he had betrayed the Cubans at BOP....and serve as a signal to LBJ that everything was in place for the ambush.....he just need to give the signal to go...

Far out.  And what was LBJ's signal to give the "go" ahead?  How did he transmit this signal to the assassin in the few seconds between when he could see the red rings and the first shot was fired?