Colors of Blue and Gold


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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #136 on: January 30, 2023, 12:09:24 AM »
Totally agree. I've never seen such one-sided news coverage of a war that the US wasn't directly participating in.

A few months ago, CBS retracted a news story because it mentioned that up to 30% of the aid was getting lost or not reaching Ukraine. It looked like CBS had pulled the story due to public pressure (and possibly pressure from the Biden administration). Either way, the MSM has gone out of their way to avoid negative Press about Ukraine's government.

CBS partially retracts documentary that outraged Ukraine by claiming that US weapon shipments were going missing

https://www.businessinsider.com/cbs-partially-retracts-ukraine-docuemtnary-alleging-missing-us-weapons-2022-8

It looked like CBS had pulled the story due to public pressure (and possibly pressure from the Biden administration).

It looked like? Oh well, that settles it....  :D

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« Reply #136 on: January 30, 2023, 12:09:24 AM »


Online Jon Banks

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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #137 on: January 30, 2023, 12:44:34 AM »
It looked like CBS had pulled the story due to public pressure (and possibly pressure from the Biden administration).

It looked like? Oh well, that settles it....  :D

I honestly donít know why CBS partially retracted the story. It was just odd that they did it following a public outcry from the Ukrainian government and their supporters.

Just one of the many unusual things about how the mainstream media has covered this his war.
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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #138 on: January 30, 2023, 01:09:12 AM »
I honestly donít know why CBS partially retracted the story. It was just odd that they did it following a public outcry from the Ukrainian government and their supporters.

Just one of the many unusual things about how the mainstream media has covered this his war.

Why not consider the possibility that they simply learned that the story wasn't as credible as they initially thought it was?

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« Reply #138 on: January 30, 2023, 01:09:12 AM »


Online Jon Banks

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« Reply #139 on: January 30, 2023, 01:28:11 AM »
Why not consider the possibility that they simply learned that the story wasn't as credible as they initially thought it was?

It was a very credible story. They only added a foot note that things may have improved since April 2022 when the documentary was made:

Among the material removed was a quote the founder of pro-Ukraine nonprofit Blue-Yellow, Jonas Ohman, who said in late April that only around 30% of aid was reaching the front lines in Ukraine.

CBS said that "Since that time, Ohman says delivery has improved." It also noted that the US had sent an official ó  Brigadier General Garrick M. Harmon ó to Kyiv specifically to monitor the use of military aid.



They never explained how much things had improved or claimed that the problem was solved.
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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #140 on: January 30, 2023, 01:44:12 AM »
It was a very credible story. They only added a foot note that things may have improved since April 2022 when the documentary was made:

Among the material removed was a quote the founder of pro-Ukraine nonprofit Blue-Yellow, Jonas Ohman, who said in late April that only around 30% of aid was reaching the front lines in Ukraine.

CBS said that "Since that time, Ohman says delivery has improved." It also noted that the US had sent an official ó  Brigadier General Garrick M. Harmon ó to Kyiv specifically to monitor the use of military aid.



They never explained how much things had improved or claimed that the problem was solved.

It was a very credible story.

And you know this, how?

From what you told me, it seems that Mr. Ohman has been backpedaling his original claim. Why could it not simply be that Ohman's original claim wasn't as credible as you seem to believe it was?
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Online Joe Elliott

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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #141 on: January 30, 2023, 03:14:19 AM »

Why not consider the possibility that they simply learned that the story wasn't as credible as they initially thought it was?

It was a very credible story. They only added a foot note that things may have improved since April 2022 when the documentary was made:
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The success of the Ukrainians, in taking back over 1,000 square miles of territory east of Kharkiv, the taking back of Kherson makes this story very non credible. The only divergence of aid to Ukraine is being used to rout the Russians.

When was the last time the Russian's managed to grab a 1,000 square miles of territory with a one week period? Or within a six month period? By coincidence, back to before Ukraine got significant aid, during the spring. Since this aid arrived, no such Russian sucesses. I don't think it's a coincidence. It appears that the great bulk of this aid is not being squadered and is being used to great effect.

There is not only good evidence that a lot of aid to Afghanistan was squadered, but this theory was supported by the easy rout of the Afghanistan army by the Taliban. I see no such support for the theory that our aid to Ukraine is being squadered. The success of the Ukrainians refutes this. And makes this story: non credible.

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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #142 on: January 30, 2023, 01:58:56 PM »
Martin who allegedly lives in "Europe" didn't realize that the Ukranians were executing POWs.

Only an idiot would think that people living in Europe (yes, it actually exists, there's no need for quotation marks) have to be fully aware of everything that goes on in the world and/or youtube.

He doesn't even understand that, unlike him, I have a life.
 

Then he claims the story wasn't being suppressed because I brought it to his attention!

Only an idiot would think that he can claim a story is being suppressed when it can be seen on YouTube and a UN human rights chief talks about it to the media.

He clearly doesn't understand he could only point it out to me because it wasn't suppressed to begin with.

Only an "idiot" would suggest that because a video is available somewhere on You Tube that means it is not being suppressed.  Particularly after admitting that even though you allegedly "live" in "Europe" that you were completely unaware of it.  HA HA HA.  Comedy gold.  Your profound ignorance of the topic is more proof of my point.  So hilarious.   Here is the point, however, for anyone with a functional brain.  The mainstream US press did not cover the story.  That is where most people get their news on Ukraine.  They do not scour You Tube every day looking for posts (which even You Tube buries) searching for obscure stories on Ukraine's treatment of POWs.   Because there are references to it on You Tube does not mean it has not been suppressed by the US mass media.  If the Russians had been taped executing Ukranian prisoners, the story would have run hourly on CNN and MSNBC for weeks.  They have an agenda.  It is endless war.

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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #143 on: January 30, 2023, 02:23:40 PM »
It was a very credible story.

And you know this, how?


Other sources have made similar claims. Also, Ukraine currently is cleaning house due to corruption scandals within their government.

So just to reiterate the earlier point, the 30% figure was true in April when the CBS documentary was made. Maybe things improved but we don't know that for certain.

Ukraine now appears to be cleaning house because their corruption continued well after they began receiving large amounts of aid from Western countries.

AP: Ukraine corruption scandal claims several top officials
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-zelenskyy-government-30e547e614babcacff2e68cecd62b551

 

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« Reply #143 on: January 30, 2023, 02:23:40 PM »


 

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