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Online Richard Smith

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Re: The Dead-Letter Package
« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2021, 06:18:11 PM »


Mr Oswald is paranoid about surveillance. With JFK coming to town, he fears that an odd parcel containing a long (rifle-length) paper bag could easily raise suspicion with the authorities. He is being extra careful

Really? Where on his person was it when he travelled back to Irving with Mr Frazier on the Thursday pm?

He doesn't want a fellow employee to see him taking (i.e. stealing) TSBD property home from work--------------especially not when said employee will be seeing the same paper bag the following morning and being given to understand that such was needed to carry mere curtain rods. Much cleaner to have the bag there waiting for him when he arrives at the Paine home on Thursday pm.

Why is it less odd to send an 18-inch bag than a somewhat longer bag?  The bag folds.  It was made of paper.  A genius like Oswald could figure that out.  It could be folded it and carried under his jacket.  Which is what he did.  And the guy who is planning on assassinating the president is "worried" about stealing TSBD property?  Very silly.  And why is Oswald doing all of this if you believe he is innocent and just carried curtain rods to work?  I realize that nothing has to add up in CTer fantasy land but that is rich.   Because none of this adds up, a hoax is most likely. 


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Re: The Dead-Letter Package
« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2021, 06:18:11 PM »

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: The Dead-Letter Package
« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2021, 06:55:55 PM »
Mystery

Well, a very big mystery! And one only compounded by the fact that postage was not paid. If the objective was to get a package into Mr Oswald's hands, it seems pretty counterintuitive, to say the least, that this would occur to anyone as a good way to go about it.................

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Notice that the bag is partially laying on subject blanket. Can we say contaminated evidence?

We certainly can!


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« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2021, 06:55:55 PM »

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: The Dead-Letter Package
« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2021, 07:10:09 PM »
Why is it less odd to send an 18-inch bag than a somewhat longer bag?

You can't seriously need this spelled out, Mr Smith! An 18-inch bag is not a bag long enough to hold a rifle. Hence no danger of a red flag in relation to a known subversive on the Feds' watchlist as a Presidential visit impends

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The bag folds.  It was made of paper.  A genius like Oswald could figure that out.  It could be folded it and carried under his jacket.  Which is what he did.

Just because your Warren Report bedtime story says this doesn't make it any less unlikely

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And the guy who is planning on assassinating the president is "worried" about stealing TSBD property?  Very silly.

Yes, that would be a silly thing to suggest. Which is why I made no such suggestion

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And why is Oswald doing all of this if you believe he is innocent and just carried curtain rods to work?

I have NEVER said Mr Oswald is innocent of involvement in the assassination. Do try to keep up, Mr Smith!

As for curtain rods, the evidence is clear: two curtain rods were submitted to the Crime Lab for testing for Mr Oswald's prints 8 days before two curtain rods were taken from the Paine home. I stand over my assessment of this remarkable fact: it points to two curtain rods having been found in the Depository sometime after the assassination. No other scenario makes sense in my view.

However, IF that address label on the Nixie Package is indeed in Mr Oswald's handwriting, then that has the potential to change things----------dramatically. I am doing something you never ever do: assessing the evidence critically and with an open mind

Speaking of handwriting, your random-hoaxer-who-happened-to-imitate-LHO's-handwriting-to-perfection hypothesis is still a dud

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: The Dead-Letter Package
« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2021, 02:09:47 AM »
However, IF that address label on the Nixie Package is indeed in Mr Oswald's handwriting, then that has the potential to change things----------dramatically.

Now! Let us see where the above line of thought might take us.........................

1. We have a parcel connecting Mr Oswald to a bag open at both ends made of heavy brown wrapping paper
2. Mr Oswald is testing whether he could get away with sending himself the real deal, i.e. a bag made of heavy brown wrapping paper long enough to carry a rifle
3. Mr Oswald brings the rifle to the Depository, telling Mr Frazier the bag contains curtain rods
4. After the assassination, Mr Frazier is in a panic. He consults with his sister and they concoct a story about a shorter bag (i.e. one short enough to contain curtain rods)
5. At some point in the days following the assassination, Mr Frazier himself brings two curtain rods to the Depository and quietly places them somewhere: he is desperate to NOT be the man who drove the rifle to the building 11/22
6. The curtain rods are found and tested for Mr Oswald's prints (negative result)
7. The discovery of the curtain rods causes a major headache for the 'investigation', leading to all sorts of shenanigans in the Paine garage in March '64

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Re: The Dead-Letter Package
« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2021, 04:14:27 AM »
  It could be folded it and carried under his jacket.
Lee the hunchback? :D 
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Which is what he did.
Coulda Woulda Shoulda Mighta ...did!
If it was remotely possible and concluded Oswald did it---it happened.
If it was improbable, unlikely and concluded he might not have---then it didn't.
Great thesis there. Another book possibility  ;)

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Re: The Dead-Letter Package
« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2021, 07:58:56 AM »


Incidentally---Good catch... I remember seeing that picture before  Thumb1:

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Online Richard Smith

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Re: The Dead-Letter Package
« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2021, 03:24:10 PM »
You can't seriously need this spelled out, Mr Smith! An 18-inch bag is not a bag long enough to hold a rifle. Hence no danger of a red flag in relation to a known subversive on the Feds' watchlist as a Presidential visit impends

Just because your Warren Report bedtime story says this doesn't make it any less unlikely

Yes, that would be a silly thing to suggest. Which is why I made no such suggestion

I have NEVER said Mr Oswald is innocent of involvement in the assassination. Do try to keep up, Mr Smith!

As for curtain rods, the evidence is clear: two curtain rods were submitted to the Crime Lab for testing for Mr Oswald's prints 8 days before two curtain rods were taken from the Paine home. I stand over my assessment of this remarkable fact: it points to two curtain rods having been found in the Depository sometime after the assassination. No other scenario makes sense in my view.

However, IF that address label on the Nixie Package is indeed in Mr Oswald's handwriting, then that has the potential to change things----------dramatically. I am doing something you never ever do: assessing the evidence critically and with an open mind

Speaking of handwriting, your random-hoaxer-who-happened-to-imitate-LHO's-handwriting-to-perfection hypothesis is still a dud

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Again, why would anyone have cause to suspect that a paper bag sent through the mail was going to be used to carry a rifle to assassinate the president?  It is just an empty paper bag.  It could be used for many purposes.  But if that is your rationale, an 18-inch bag could be used to carry a pistol.  Right? If someone was suspicious of empty paper bags, then they could conclude Oswald was using the mailed bag to carry his pistol somewhere.  How does this package "dramatically" change the case even if Oswald did actually mail this package?  At best, it would show he was some type of paranoid loon which we already know.  I'm not aware of any scientific analysis of the handwriting that confirms it was Oswald's.  You just keep repeating that, in your inexpert opinion, it is Oswald's handwriting. 

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« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2021, 03:24:10 PM »

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Re: The Dead-Letter Package
« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2021, 04:29:43 PM »
Again, why would anyone have cause to suspect that a paper bag sent through the mail was going to be used to carry a rifle to assassinate the president?  It is just an empty paper bag.  It could be used for many purposes.  But if that is your rationale, an 18-inch bag could be used to carry a pistol.  Right? If someone was suspicious of empty paper bags, then they could conclude Oswald was using the mailed bag to carry his pistol somewhere.

You don't need a paper bag to conceal a pistol, duh

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How does this package "dramatically" change the case even if Oswald did actually mail this package?

I didn't say it dramatically changes the case, I said it would dramatically change things if this is indeed Mr Oswald's handwriting. Because that would connect Mr Oswald to a heavy brown paper bag more convincingly than the official investiagation was able to connect him to a certain other heavy brown paper bag. And it would do more than connect him to the bag-------------------it would show him engaging in clandestine behavior with it ahead of Pres. Kennedy's visit to Dallas. It would, in short, make him look guilty as hell

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At best, it would show he was some type of paranoid loon which we already know.

So he was wrong to believe he was under surveillance from the Feds? Really?

Of course what really drives your opposition to my hypothesis as to why Mr Oswald might send this heavy brown paper bag to himself at a fake address is that such would require Mr Oswald to have foreknowledge of the motorcade route well before your cherished bedtime story says he had

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I'm not aware of any scientific analysis of the handwriting that confirms it was Oswald's.  You just keep repeating that, in your inexpert opinion, it is Oswald's handwriting.

And you just keep repeating that, in your very inexpert opinion, a random hoaxer could have known to write the name and address in a way that even you have to admit looks like Mr Oswald's handwriting. Care to explain how your imaginary random hoaxer would have known to do this?

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Re: The Dead-Letter Package
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Of course what really drives your opposition to my hypothesis as to why Mr Oswald might send this heavy brown paper bag to himself at a fake address is that such would require Mr Oswald to have foreknowledge of the motorcade route well before your cherished bedtime story says he had

And you just keep repeating that, in your very inexpert opinion, a random hoaxer could have known to write the name and address in a way that even you have to admit looks like Mr Oswald's handwriting. Care to explain how your imaginary random hoaxer would have known to do this?

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How would it show foreknowledge of the motorcade route? 

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Re: The Dead-Letter Package
« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2021, 02:39:18 AM »
How would it show foreknowledge of the motorcade route?

~Grin~

Odd that you should ask, Mr Smith. Why, only a few short days ago you had no difficulty in seeing the linkage------------you criticized my hypothesis on the basis that Mr Oswald would not have had enough foreknowledge of the motorcade route to make the experiment with the Nixie parcel viable:

If he learns on Monday or Tuesday that JFK is passing the building, then there would be a remote possibility he considered mailing the bag there instead of transporting it himself but there would be no guarantee that it would arrive by Friday.  And why do a test run to a different address with so little time?

As I have several times gently pointed out, this is the real reason you have tried (unconvincingly) to write the Nixie parcel off as a random hoax: evidence of nefarious intent on Mr Oswald's part is fine, but only so long as the timing does not threaten the Lone Nut scenario.

A Mr Oswald sending himself a heavy brown paper bag, but doing so in a way that suggests game-playing with the postal authorities, would suggest a Mr Oswald making plans for something clandestine that would involve the use of a heavy brown paper bag. That this would require more lead-in time than you are comfortable with is a problem for you, not me.

By the way, you dodged my question about how a random hoaxer could have known to write the name and address in a way that even you have to admit looks like Mr Oswald's handwriting. Still trying to figure this little conundrum out, eh?

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