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Offline Jack Nessan

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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #520 on: October 15, 2021, 05:16:18 PM »
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Yes, I am missing your explanation. Now why is that not a surprise?

What we have are two people with absolutely no explanation for what she said. Now why am I not surprised by that.

You read the explanation and commented on it. Now you are pretending you did not????

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« Reply #521 on: October 15, 2021, 05:20:00 PM »
Mr Nessan doesn't want to admit he bigtime double-goofed by
------------completely misunderstanding the referenced location of Ms Adams' encounter with Ms Davis
------------inventing a return trip to the front of the building by Ms Adams

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What is amusing is you hoping an encounter with Molina and Davis would somehow change the timeline. It did not. Belin did not even care to elaborate on Adams other observations, he had all the answers he needed to put the matter to rest. Using time stamps of the various police officers he determined their departure was later than they estimated. That is why they did not encounter anyone on the stairs. Which is the only question that needed to be answered.

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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #522 on: October 15, 2021, 07:42:02 PM »
What we have are two people with absolutely no explanation for what she said. Now why am I not surprised by that.

You read the explanation and commented on it. Now you are pretending you did not????

You seem to be living in an alternate reality. Please try not to talk in riddles.

What is amusing is you hoping an encounter with Molina and Davis would somehow change the timeline. It did not. Belin did not even care to elaborate on Adams other observations, he had all the answers he needed to put the matter to rest. Using time stamps of the various police officers he determined their departure was later than they estimated. That is why they did not encounter anyone on the stairs. Which is the only question that needed to be answered.


he had all the answers he needed to put the matter to rest.

Obviously, that was indeed his intention. Never mind what the witness says, when she says something Belin didn't like, she must be shut down.

Using time stamps of the various police officers he determined their departure was later than they estimated.

Wrong on all counts. Belin never used the time stamps of various police officers. He tried to discredit Adams by desperately trying to get Shelley and Lovelady to confirm they had seen her on the 1st floor, which in fact they hadn't.

That is why they did not encounter anyone on the stairs. Which is the only question that needed to be answered.

Really? What a superficial point of view!

The reason why Adams and Styles did not encounter anyone on the stairs was because they were out of the building by the time Truly and Baker reached the stairs. They may have missed them by only a few seconds, but Adams testified it took her less than a minute after the shots to get down the stairs and out of the building. It took Truly and Baker approx 90 seconds after the shots to get to the 2nd floor lunchroom. The men were running up the stairs, so if you give them 15 seconds to get one floor higher, they would have reached the stairs on the first floor at about 75 seconds after the shots.

And before you say that Adams estimate of 1 minute is not realistic, let's not forget that a time trial for "Unsolved History" (which can be found on YouTube), showed that "Oswald" needed 50 seconds after the last shot to get to the 2nd floor lunchroom and he had one more floor to go down than Adams and Styles.

If Adams and Styles had gone down later, like LNs want to claim without any evidence, they would have seen Truly and Baker come up, like Dorothy Garner did and they would have been perfectly placed to see who ever was coming down on the stairs from the 6th floor. The more you delay the departure of Adams and Styles the less likely and physically possible the theory becomes.

The irony of all this is that Adams and Styles weren't Belin's real problem. That was Dorothy Garner, because she could confirm that the girls went down before Truly and Baker came up, which means somewhere inbetween those two events Garner, who was standing next to the stairs of the 4th floor, could not have missed anybody coming down the stairs for the 6th floor in a hurry.
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« Reply #523 on: October 15, 2021, 11:18:37 PM »
Poor Mr Nessan's confusion is just next level  :D

 :D :D :D

Which "second time" is he referring to? 

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« Reply #524 on: October 17, 2021, 12:38:46 AM »
What is amusing is you hoping an encounter with Molina and Davis would somehow change the timeline. It did not. Belin did not even care to elaborate on Adams other observations, he had all the answers he needed to put the matter to rest. Using time stamps of the various police officers he determined their departure was later than they estimated. That is why they did not encounter anyone on the stairs. Which is the only question that needed to be answered.

 :D

Translation of Mr Nessan's verbiage above: I don't have a substantive rebuttal re. Mr Molina and Ms Davis, so I'm going to try to gaslight with more nonsense.

Renewed challenge to Mr Nessan! Kindly quote actual statements from Mr Molina and Ms Davis supportive of your timeline putting Ms Adams' arrival at the front entrance 5+ minutes after the assassination

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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #525 on: October 17, 2021, 04:18:34 PM »
You seem to be living in an alternate reality. Please try not to talk in riddles.

he had all the answers he needed to put the matter to rest.

Obviously, that was indeed his intention. Never mind what the witness says, when she says something Belin didn't like, she must be shut down.

Using time stamps of the various police officers he determined their departure was later than they estimated.

Wrong on all counts. Belin never used the time stamps of various police officers. He tried to discredit Adams by desperately trying to get Shelley and Lovelady to confirm they had seen her on the 1st floor, which in fact they hadn't.

That is why they did not encounter anyone on the stairs. Which is the only question that needed to be answered.

Really? What a superficial point of view!

The reason why Adams and Styles did not encounter anyone on the stairs was because they were out of the building by the time Truly and Baker reached the stairs. They may have missed them by only a few seconds, but Adams testified it took her less than a minute after the shots to get down the stairs and out of the building. It took Truly and Baker approx 90 seconds after the shots to get to the 2nd floor lunchroom. The men were running up the stairs, so if you give them 15 seconds to get one floor higher, they would have reached the stairs on the first floor at about 75 seconds after the shots.

And before you say that Adams estimate of 1 minute is not realistic, let's not forget that a time trial for "Unsolved History" (which can be found on YouTube), showed that "Oswald" needed 50 seconds after the last shot to get to the 2nd floor lunchroom and he had one more floor to go down than Adams and Styles.

If Adams and Styles had gone down later, like LNs want to claim without any evidence, they would have seen Truly and Baker come up, like Dorothy Garner did and they would have been perfectly placed to see who ever was coming down on the stairs from the 6th floor. The more you delay the departure of Adams and Styles the less likely and physically possible the theory becomes.

The irony of all this is that Adams and Styles weren't Belin's real problem. That was Dorothy Garner, because she could confirm that the girls went down before Truly and Baker came up, which means somewhere inbetween those two events Garner, who was standing next to the stairs of the 4th floor, could not have missed anybody coming down the stairs for the 6th floor in a hurry.

Riddle? I don't think so. We are discussing the two minute long travel of two women with time stamps provided by the police. It is only complicated if you make it complicated.

The Stroud document is a non starter. It disproves itself by the recollections of Adams and Styles along the way.

There is no need to villainize the WC to make a point. They never told the witnesses they were mistaken or lying. They used other witnesses to help show what really happened or corroborate what they were stating. Rowland is a great example of that. They showed considerable restraint given the magnitude of what he was doing.

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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #526 on: October 17, 2021, 04:25:47 PM »
:D :D :D

Which "second time" is he referring to?


Are you aware there is even more information on how the vaccinated are spreading covid to the unvaccinated and vaccinated alike. Acting as Typhoid Mary's.

This is concerning. The vaccine is waning and there seems to be no plan to re-vaccinate everyone. Booster? What keeps it from weakening over time too? There are now variants that are immune to the vaccine. Anyone in Agriculture could see that one coming from a mile away.


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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #527 on: October 17, 2021, 04:29:13 PM »
:D

Translation of Mr Nessan's verbiage above: I don't have a substantive rebuttal re. Mr Molina and Ms Davis, so I'm going to try to gaslight with more nonsense.

Renewed challenge to Mr Nessan! Kindly quote actual statements from Mr Molina and Ms Davis supportive of your timeline putting Ms Adams' arrival at the front entrance 5+ minutes after the assassination


Gaslighting? No I do not think so.
 
: to psychologically manipulate (a person) usually over an extended period of time so that the victim questions the validity of their own thoughts, perception of reality, or memories and experiences confusion, loss of confidence and self-esteem, and doubts concerning their own emotional or mental stability : to subject (someone) to gaslighting"

You are most definitely weak minded and easily manipulated if you think this is gaslighting. These are simple statements by the witnesses and should do you no harm. If you compare them with other witness statements they corroborate each other and give you the answer. The answer is Adams and Styles left the office later than they thought. If you think Molina and Davis are important then by all means explain why. Your original clai they immediately went back inside has proven to be false. You are the one who brought them into the discussion,  you explain why they are important. I do not see their importance and I don't have the time or the inclination to do your homework for you.