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Offline Tom Scully

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Re: Sirhan Sirhan may be released tomorrow
« Reply #90 on: September 04, 2021, 06:20:02 AM »
The uber liberals running California today are protecting the conservative LAPD from five decades ago in the cover up of the murder of a liberal icon?  And you think someone got their gun within one inch of RFK's head amidst a large crowd of people and escaped unnoticed?  None of that adds up.

https://www.census.gov/library/stories/state-by-state/california-population-change-between-census-decade.html


Who should "run" California "today"?

...the extremists supporting this misogynist "mess" because he reassures them their white supremacist sympathies are just fine with him?

Column: Larry Elder is the Black face of white supremacy ...
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-08-20/recall-candidate-larry-elder-is-a-threat-to-black-californians
Column: "Larry Elder is the Black face of white supremacy. You've been warned Conservative radio talk show host Larry Elder speaks to supporters during a campaign stop in Norwalk."
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Online Jon Banks

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Re: Sirhan Sirhan may be released tomorrow
« Reply #91 on: September 04, 2021, 02:41:03 PM »
Thane Eugene Cesar was in the best position to shoot RFK from the rear right-side. The police never inspected his gun to see if it was fired on the night of the assassination. He sold his .22 revolver shortly after the assassination. It’s certainly plausible that Cesar accidentally shot RFK while attempting to fire at Sirhan but that doesn’t explain some of the lies or inconsistencies in his statements:

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Thane Eugene Cesar died today in the Philippines. Compelling evidence suggests that Cesar murdered my father. On June 5, 1968, Cesar, an employee in a classified section of Lockheed’s Burbank facility, was moonlighting as a security guard at the Ambassador Hotel. He had landed the job about one week earlier. Cesar waited in the pantry as my father spoke in the ballroom, then grabbed my father by the elbow and guided him toward Sirhan.

With 77 people in the pantry, every eyewitness said Sirhan was always in front on my father at a 3-6 feet distance. Sirhan fired two shots toward my father before he was tackled. From under the dog pile, Sirhan emptied his 8 chamber revolver firing 6 more shots in the opposite direction 5 of them striking bystander and one going wild .

By his own account, Cesar was directly behind my dad holding his right elbow with his own gun drawn when my dad fell backwards on top of him. Cesar repeatedly changed his story about exactly when he drew his weapon.

According to the Coroner, Dr. Thomas Noguchi, all 4 shots that struck my father were ‘contact’ shots fired from behind my dad with the barrel touching or nearly touching his body.
Cesar sold his .22 to a co-worker weeks after the assassination warning him that it had been used in a crime. Cesar lied to police claiming that he’d disposed of the gun months before the assassination. Cesar was a bigot who hated the Kennedys for their advocacy of Civil Rights for blacks.

 I had plans to meet Thane Eugene Cesar in the Philippines last June until he demanded a payment of $25,000 through his agent Dan Moldea. Ironically, Moldea penned a meticulous and compelling indictment of Cesar in a 1995 book and then suddenly exculpated him by fiat in a bizarre and nonsensical final chapter. Police have never seriously investigated Cesar’s role in my father’s killing.
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It’s been alleged that Cesar owned an H&R .22 revolver and sold it later to Jim Yoder, a friend of his in Arkansas. He allegedly told police he sold the .22 before the murder when he actually sold it after the murder. Moldea’s book says that Charach, the documentarian, learned that Cesar sold his .22 revolver to Yoder three months after the assassination, and that Yoder provided a receipt. The book adds that Yoder allegedly told Charach the gun was stolen in a burglary.

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“It’s clear that Cesar’s position behind and to the right of Kennedy matched the shooting position described in the autopsy,” the book reports. He had advance notice Kennedy was coming through and was “possibly seen talking to Sirhan.” He “has repeatedly changed his story on when he drew his gun, and his movements after the shooting…Questions remain as to who pulled his tie off.”
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Among anolamlies in the case, the Chronicle cited the fact that Noguchi “reported that the fatal shot was fired less than one inch from Kennedy’s head behind his right ear.” Four shots came from the rear but Sirhan fired a .22 “from a few feet in front of Kennedy.” The revolver held eight rounds, but “a radio reporter’s tape recording of the shooting has sounds of what one audio expert describes as 13 shots” and “double shots,” reported The Chronicle, summing up the main concerns.

https://heavy.com/news/2018/05/thane-eugene-cesar/


Offline Tom Scully

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Re: Sirhan Sirhan may be released tomorrow
« Reply #92 on: September 04, 2021, 03:12:51 PM »
Jon, I guess you missed or discounted this?

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RFK, Jr. suspected security guard Thane Eugene Cesar's involvement.
https://aarclibrary.org/thane-eugene-cesar-rfk-jr-calls-him-possible-assassin/

Dan Moldea's account of Cesar's cooperation, including consenting to a lie detector test, and the results.:
(Moldea mentions he was discouraged from hypnosis because of reliability vs risk and went with polygraph.)
https://www.moldea.com/Cesar-polygraph.pdf
Dan Moldea on the polygraph test he arranged for Thane Eugene Cesar. From his book, The Killing of Robert F. Kennedy: An Investigation of Motive Means, ...
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I would have agreed with most of what you posted about Cesar, but the details here influenced me to no longer suspect him based on the reasons you presented because Moldea's efforts answered most of my concerns.

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https://twitter.com/DanMoldea/status/1430179825403183115
10:46 AM · Aug 24, 2021

Thane Eugene Cesar, an innocent man, falsely accused. . . . With the confessed and convicted Sirhan Sirhan’s parole hearing this Friday, Cesar will be defamed by a desperate cadre of screwballs, hoping to cast Sirhan as a misunderstood visionary who should be released from prison

Supported by:
https://www.moldea.com/Cesar-polygraph.pdf
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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Sirhan Sirhan may be released tomorrow
« Reply #93 on: September 04, 2021, 04:27:01 PM »
I didn't suggest that, the medical examiner who conducted RFK's autopsy did. He has kept the same story for 50+ years even though it conflicts with the conclusion that Sirhan alone killed RFK.

 


You cited the fact that the ME indicated that a shot was fired within an inch of RFK's head to support the claim that it could not have been Sirhan who was the shooter.  So do you believe someone else get within an inch of RFK and escaped in that crowd or not? 

Online Richard Smith

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Re: Sirhan Sirhan may be released tomorrow
« Reply #94 on: September 04, 2021, 04:34:52 PM »
https://www.census.gov/library/stories/state-by-state/california-population-change-between-census-decade.html


Who should "run" California "today"?

...the extremists supporting this misogynist "mess" because he reassures them their white supremacist sympathies are just fine with him?

Column: Larry Elder is the Black face of white supremacy ...
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-08-20/recall-candidate-larry-elder-is-a-threat-to-black-californians
Column: "Larry Elder is the Black face of white supremacy. You've been warned Conservative radio talk show host Larry Elder speaks to supporters during a campaign stop in Norwalk."

I can't decipher exactly what point you are trying to make here.  Is it that the black guy running for governor is a white supremacist and that the rich, elitist white guy is not?  If so, that is truly rabbit hole doubleplusgood reasoning.  LOL.  The lengths that liberals will go to vilify any minority or female who dares to stray from the cause is enlightening on their hypocrisy.

Online Jon Banks

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Re: Sirhan Sirhan may be released tomorrow
« Reply #95 on: September 04, 2021, 05:07:48 PM »
You cited the fact that the ME indicated that a shot was fired within an inch of RFK's head to support the claim that it could not have been Sirhan who was the shooter. So do you believe someone else get within an inch of RFK and escaped in that crowd or not?

Yes and it's very easy to understand how in a crowded room with most people focused on Sirhan (who was fighting with the people who tried to disarm him after he fired the first shot), other gunmen escaped.

Other potential assassins were seen by witnesses. The woman who was seen with Sirhan by a dozen or so witnesses that evening also was a suspect according to police records. The LAPD had leads for other suspects and interviewed Thane Cesar and Michael Wayne but for reasons that we still don't know today, suppressed evidence of a potential conspiracy.
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Re: Sirhan Sirhan may be released tomorrow
« Reply #96 on: September 04, 2021, 08:44:43 PM »
The uber liberals running California today are protecting the conservative LAPD from five decades ago in the cover up of the murder of a liberal icon?  And you think someone got their gun within one inch of RFK's head amidst a large crowd of people and escaped unnoticed?  None of that adds up.

I can't decipher exactly what point you are trying to make here.  Is it that the black guy running for governor is a white supremacist and that the rich, elitist white guy is not?  If so, that is truly rabbit hole doubleplusgood reasoning.  LOL.  The lengths that liberals will go to vilify any minority or female who dares to stray from the cause is enlightening on their hypocrisy.

Of course you can't. You're a reactionary. You pooped out some right wing talking points.

There are no "uber liberals running California today". The political leadership attempts to be responsive to a population that is 60 percent other than voters consumed by white anxiety. The current recall is a libertarian, white anxiety fueled, hissy fit.

Your post I replied to was, "Make California White Again"!
I got news for you. California has never been better. Neither has the U.S.

Larry Elder and any other right wing political influence (AKA American Taliban) is the last thing California or anything related to governance anywhere, needs.

"Texas "heartbeat bill" becomes law, banning abortions as ...
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/05/18/texas-heartbeat-bill-abortions-law/
It includes cases where the woman was impregnated as a result of rape or incest. There is an exception for medical emergencies. ... Texas Right to Life called the bill's signing a "landmark ..."

https://www.npr.org/2021/06/24/1009839021/uncovering-who-is-driving-the-fight-against-critical-race-theory-in-schools
Uncovering Who Is Driving The Fight Against Critical Race Theory In Schools
June 24, 2021

"...KINGKADE: .".they are. I've talked to a lot of parents on the side of opposing critical race theory, and many of them have told me they don't believe that systemic racism exists. I've had conversations with parents who say they don't think that they have any sort of white privilege, though they are white..., - there's a fundamental disagreement in how they see the world."..."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/former-prosecutor-indicted-ahmaud-arberys-case/

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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Sirhan Sirhan may be released tomorrow
« Reply #97 on: September 05, 2021, 05:02:56 PM »
Of course you can't. You're a reactionary. You pooped out some right wing talking points.

There are no "uber liberals running California today". The political leadership attempts to be responsive to a population that is 60 percent other than voters consumed by white anxiety. The current recall is a libertarian, white anxiety fueled, hissy fit.

Your post I replied to was, "Make California White Again"!
I got news for you. California has never been better. Neither has the U.S.

Larry Elder and any other right wing political influence (AKA American Taliban) is the last thing California or anything related to governance anywhere, needs.

"Texas "heartbeat bill" becomes law, banning abortions as ...
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/05/18/texas-heartbeat-bill-abortions-law/
It includes cases where the woman was impregnated as a result of rape or incest. There is an exception for medical emergencies. ... Texas Right to Life called the bill's signing a "landmark ..."

https://www.npr.org/2021/06/24/1009839021/uncovering-who-is-driving-the-fight-against-critical-race-theory-in-schools
Uncovering Who Is Driving The Fight Against Critical Race Theory In Schools
June 24, 2021

"...KINGKADE: .".they are. I've talked to a lot of parents on the side of opposing critical race theory, and many of them have told me they don't believe that systemic racism exists. I've had conversations with parents who say they don't think that they have any sort of white privilege, though they are white..., - there's a fundamental disagreement in how they see the world."..."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/former-prosecutor-indicted-ahmaud-arberys-case/


As usual it is impossible to decipher what point you are trying to make or why you would interject race into this discussion or what you are talking about regarding any imaginary post about "making California white again."  I merely stated a fact that the current government of California is extremely liberal.  In 1968, it was much more conservative.  Anyone can see with their own eyes whether the uber liberals running things out there have made it a better or worse place.  Crime is out of control, the homeless have overrun the cities, taxes are outrageous, and the census confirms that for the first time in history more people are leaving California than moving there.  And where are they going?  To places like Texas and Florida. 
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Re: Sirhan Sirhan may be released tomorrow
« Reply #98 on: September 11, 2021, 08:38:41 PM »
Short but sweet video that explains the new audio evidence in the RFK assassination case


Even if we discount the audio evidence, there's other evidence proving that too many shots were fired for all to have come from Sirhan's gun:

Vincent Bugliosi, prosecutor in the Charles Manson murder trials and author of the Manson cult expose, "Helter Skelter," told an audience at the University of Tulsa there is "conclusive evidence" to indicate that more than one gunman was involved in the assassination of Robert Kennedy.

Following up on the tip of a "conspiracy" buff, Bugliosi tracked down the identities of two police officers who, in an Associated Press photograph taken shortly after the shooting, were observing a bullet hole in a door jamb.

"If that was a bullet hole, there would have to have been a ninth bullet. Sirhan (the convicted assassin) fired only eight rounds," Bugliosi said.

Bugliosi got a signed statement from one of the police officers in the photo saying that it was indeed a bullet hole, and since that time he has secured additional statements that "totaled up to 12 bullets."

The door jamb, ceiling panels and a center divider where the other bullets were allegedly lodged were taken from the Ambassador Hotel, scene of the 1975 shooting, to the Los Angeles police department's property department and later destroyed, Bugliosi said.


https://www.oklahoman.com/article/1964607/sirhan-didnt-act-alone-author-claims
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Offline Ray Mitcham

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Re: Sirhan Sirhan may be released tomorrow
« Reply #99 on: September 14, 2021, 02:01:08 PM »
Short but sweet video that explains the new audio evidence in the RFK assassination case


Even if we discount the audio evidence, there's other evidence proving that too many shots were fired for all to have come from Sirhan's gun:

Vincent Bugliosi, prosecutor in the Charles Manson murder trials and author of the Manson cult expose, "Helter Skelter," told an audience at the University of Tulsa there is "conclusive evidence" to indicate that more than one gunman was involved in the assassination of Robert Kennedy.

Following up on the tip of a "conspiracy" buff, Bugliosi tracked down the identities of two police officers who, in an Associated Press photograph taken shortly after the shooting, were observing a bullet hole in a door jamb.

"If that was a bullet hole, there would have to have been a ninth bullet. Sirhan (the convicted assassin) fired only eight rounds," Bugliosi said.

Bugliosi got a signed statement from one of the police officers in the photo saying that it was indeed a bullet hole, and since that time he has secured additional statements that "totaled up to 12 bullets."

The door jamb, ceiling panels and a center divider where the other bullets were allegedly lodged were taken from the Ambassador Hotel, scene of the 1975 shooting, to the Los Angeles police department's property department and later destroyed, Bugliosi said.


https://www.oklahoman.com/article/1964607/sirhan-didnt-act-alone-author-claims
Thanks for posting the above. Jon. Seems to confirm that RFK was shot by someone other then Sirhan.

 

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