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Offline John Iacoletti

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Two questions about your montage.

Is the jacket worn by the man in these photos CE 162?

Which photo in the montage do you think looks like a "brown jacket"?

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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Wow, what a detour on that speculation bus with Bledsoe having her answers written down prior to being interviewed!

Mary Bledsoe positively identified the shirt well before her deposition. Well before she was ever asked to give a deposition actually. She was shown the shirt on Dec 4, 1963 by two FBI agents and was able to positively identify it for them. She did not receive notification that she was required to appear before the Commission until March 1964.

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Just to remind you: I asked about evidence of Oswald wearing the arrest shirt at work, meaning the TSBD.

Just to remind you: I already answered your question. Just to recap, with some additional detail, Mary Bledsoe positively identified CE 150 as being the shirt that she saw Oswald wearing on McWatter's bus. The bus transfer found in the pocket of that shirt after Oswald was arrested further attests that Oswald had that shirt on when on the bus. McWatters mistook the shirt for a jacket. As did Bardwell Odum. Officer Baker said he thought that Oswald had on a  light jacket that was brown in color but later admitted that it could very well have been a shirt. Oswald never owned a brown jacket. The brown attire that  Baker saw Oswald wearing in the second floor lunchroom of the TSBD was CE 150.

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The notion that fantasy conspirators somehow faked Oswald's presence on the bus is among one of the more puzzling CTers claims (which is saying a great deal).  Why would they fake a bus trip that takes Oswald nowhere?  Imagine the risk for no apparent gain.  Let's assume they faked the bus ride to cover up some other means that Oswald gets to his boarding house.  How do they know the bus gets stuck in traffic?  How do they arrange a fake cab ride?  Why bother if they wanted Oswald to be caught or killed in the aftermath?  How would they know they could convince those on a random bus to confirm, or at least not contradict, Oswald's presence?  The bus ride to nowhere is ludicrous as part of planned event as it achieves no real objective, entails significant risk, and requires real-time knowledge of the bus, its passengers etc.   

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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Tony, you stole my REID move ;-)

The only way out for a true LN fanatic is to fabricate yet another absurdity, it deserves to be highlighted:

I doubt Richard Smith will ever top that one!

The most likely scenario is that Oswald had removed the shirt after the encounter with Baker and tucked it under his pants belt in the back. That's why Mrs Reid never saw it. If she had turned to face him after he had gone by she would have seen the shirt hanging off of his belt.

Tom, what is absurd about that? Can you come up with anything more reasonable? Let's see you try. Go ahead, give it your best shot. Just keep in mind the following facts:

- Oswald was wearing CE-150 when he was on McWatter's bus.

- CE-150 was mistaken to be a jacket by Cecil McWatters.

- CE-150 was mistaken to be a jacket by Bardwell Odum.

- Marrion Baker saw Oswald wearing what looked to be a "light brown jacket" in the second floor lunchroom of the TSBD.

- Lee Harvey Oswald did not own a brown jacket.

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Tony, you stole my REID move ;-)

The only way out for a true LN fanatic is to fabricate yet another absurdity, it deserves to be highlighted:

I doubt Richard Smith will ever top that one!

Amazing guy, that Oswald...

He is supposed to have been in the sniper's nest at 12:15 yet BRW does not see or hear him. Witnesses see a man dressed in light clothing, so LNs think he must have removed his shirt. However, fibers of that shirt allegedly get stuck on the rifle. Instead of concentrating on the - already running late - motorcade arriving at any time, he finds the time to observe and track Norman and Jarman as they make their way to the back of the building. Could be important, right? Then, after firing the rifle, he is supposed to have run down the stairs, where he isn't seen by at least two girls who are known to have been on the stairs post shots or anybody else for that matter and when he is seen by Truly and Baker at the 2nd floor lunchroom, less than 90 seconds later, he is suddenly wearing his shirt again. But not for long, because as he leaves the building he takes it off again and hides it from view from Mrs. Reid only to put it back on for Bledsoe to see it on the bus.

Wow... just wow
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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Amazing guy, that Oswald...

He is supposed to have been in the sniper's nest at 12:15 yet BRW does not see or hear him. Witnesses see a man dressed in light clothing, so LNs think he must have removed his shirt. However, fibers of that shirt allegedly get stuck on the rifle. Instead of concentrating on the - already running late - motorcade arriving at any time, he finds the time to observe and track Norman and Jarman as they make their way to the back of the building. Could be important, right? Then, after firing the rifle, he is supposed to have run down the stairs, where he isn't seen by at least two girls who are known to have been on the stairs post shots or anybody else for that matter and when he is seen by Truly and Baker at the 2nd floor lunchroom, less than 90 seconds later, he is suddenly wearing his shirt again. But not for long, because as he leaves the building he takes it off again and hides it from view from Mrs. Reid only to put it back on for Bledsoe to see it on the bus.

Wow... just wow

Speaking of amazing, how about the two speedsters in their three-inch-heeled shoes? Victoria Adams and Sandra Styles.  They managed to get from their window on the fourth floor down to the first floor in 45 seconds or less. Dem ladies sure was sumptin.

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Speaking of amazing, how about the two speedsters in their three-inch-heeled shoes? Victoria Adams and Sandra Styles.  They managed to get from their window on the fourth floor down to the first floor in 45 seconds or less. Dem ladies sure was sumptin.


They managed to get from their window on the fourth floor down to the first floor in 45 seconds or less.

Did they?

But speaking of amazing, Dorothy Garner is quoted in the Stroud letter that "after Miss Adams went downstairs she (Miss Garner) saw Mr. Truly and the policeman come up".

But when Truly and Baker arrived on the 4th floor, they had already seen Oswald in the 2nd floor lunchroom.... Go figure!
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Amazing guy, that Oswald...

He is supposed to have been in the sniper's nest at 12:15 yet BRW does not see or hear him. Witnesses see a man dressed in light clothing, so LNs think he must have removed his shirt. However, fibers of that shirt allegedly get stuck on the rifle. Instead of concentrating on the - already running late - motorcade arriving at any time, he finds the time to observe and track Norman and Jarman as they make their way to the back of the building. Could be important, right? Then, after firing the rifle, he is supposed to have run down the stairs, where he isn't seen by at least two girls who are known to have been on the stairs post shots or anybody else for that matter and when he is seen by Truly and Baker at the 2nd floor lunchroom, less than 90 seconds later, he is suddenly wearing his shirt again. But not for long, because as he leaves the building he takes it off again and hides it from view from Mrs. Reid only to put it back on for Bledsoe to see it on the bus.

Wow... just wow

Thank you Martin.....   This is a very succinct summation of just a little of the utter nonsense what the LNer's believe.    And they have the audacity to call us critics...."Kooks"