Will Pres. Biden release the JFK Files?

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Offline Jon Banks

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Re: Will Pres. Biden release the JFK Files?
« Reply #28 on: May 08, 2021, 05:44:54 PM »
Old Joe probably can't even remember what he had for breakfast much less who JFK was.  The FBI and CIA used sources and methods to investigate the real or imagined connections between Oswald and Russia, Cuba, the mob etc.  Some of those sources may still be alive today and disclosure of their identities could put them and/or their families at risk.  In addition, these agencies are notoriously secretive erring on the side of nondisclosure of information for obvious reasons.  So no great sinister mystery that some files have not been released.  And when all the files are released, CTers will pore over them to discover nothing.  And then move on to the next thing without missing a beat.  JFK CTers are always the bridesmaid and never the bride.  Evidence of conspiracy always just eludes them.

You may be right. Which is why I don’t understand why most LN’ers aren’t more supportive of declassifying the remaining documents.

If you’re right that there’s no “There-there”, best case scenario is it reduces the number of JFK CT’ers.

Also it seems like some of you don’t understand that government secrets have a shelf-life. I can’t imagine that there are many JFK-era government agents or assets alive today who haven’t already had their covers blown.

If Biden gives in and extends the deadline as Trump did four years ago, he’s just kicking the can to the next President…

Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Will Pres. Biden release the JFK Files?
« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2021, 05:24:04 PM »
You may be right. Which is why I don’t understand why most LN’ers aren’t more supportive of declassifying the remaining documents.

If you’re right that there’s no “There-there”, best case scenario is it reduces the number of JFK CT’ers.

Also it seems like some of you don’t understand that government secrets have a shelf-life. I can’t imagine that there are many JFK-era government agents or assets alive today who haven’t already had their covers blown.

If Biden gives in and extends the deadline as Trump did four years ago, he’s just kicking the can to the next President…

I'm fully supportive of complete disclosure of any and all information relating to the JFK assassination.  I'm not aware of LNer who is not.  I would even support testing Oswald's pants and shoes for Tippit's DNA etc. 

Offline Jon Banks

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Re: Will Pres. Biden release the JFK Files?
« Reply #30 on: May 09, 2021, 07:11:41 PM »
As for the argument that there is ‘embarrassing information’ in the remaining classified documents, what could be more embarrassing than stuff we already know about the FBI and CIA?

COINTELPRO, Hoover harassing and threatening MLK Jr, MK-Ultra, Iran-Contra, kidnapping and torturing Terror suspects for example.

More embarrassing than all of the above?

Offline Denis Pointing

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Re: Will Pres. Biden release the JFK Files?
« Reply #31 on: May 10, 2021, 12:24:17 AM »
You may be right. Which is why I don’t understand why most LN’ers aren’t more supportive of declassifying the remaining documents.

If you’re right that there’s no “There-there”, best case scenario is it reduces the number of JFK CT’ers.

Also it seems like some of you don’t understand that government secrets have a shelf-life. I can’t imagine that there are many JFK-era government agents or assets alive today who haven’t already had their covers blown.

If Biden gives in and extends the deadline as Trump did four years ago, he’s just kicking the can to the next President…

I'm afraid you're missing the point, Jon. If a security agency promises to never disclose information concerning an informer/asset, not just names, that promise has to be upheld. If not, no present-day or future informant/asset will ever trust that agency again.
« Last Edit: May 10, 2021, 12:26:51 AM by Denis Pointing »

Offline Jon Banks

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Re: Will Pres. Biden release the JFK Files?
« Reply #32 on: May 10, 2021, 03:18:10 AM »
I'm afraid you're missing the point, Jon. If a security agency promises to never disclose information concerning an informer/asset, not just names, that promise has to be upheld. If not, no present-day or future informant/asset will ever trust that agency again.

Never as in “as long as the agent/asset is alive?”

Or never as in “never-ever”?

I can understand if some agents/assets are still alive.

I don’t understand if it’s related to people who are dead like Joannides.

And names can be redacted if these agencies must not reveal the names of certain people…

Offline Denis Pointing

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Re: Will Pres. Biden release the JFK Files?
« Reply #33 on: May 10, 2021, 12:59:33 PM »
Never as in “as long as the agent/asset is alive?”

Or never as in “never-ever”?

I can understand if some agents/assets are still alive.

I don’t understand if it’s related to people who are dead like Joannides.

And names can be redacted if these agencies must not reveal the names of certain people…


Even if dead there's still the family and friends to consider. Also, even with names redacted, there may be seemingly innocuous clues that point to a particular agent/asset, especially so if the agent/asset is already under suspicion. If a firm promise is given to not reveal any info that may jeopardise the identity, ever, that promise has to be upheld. No if's, but's, or maybe's here. Personally, I don't believe the names of the agents/assets from the civil war should have been released. That promise should, must be ironclad.
« Last Edit: May 10, 2021, 01:03:25 PM by Denis Pointing »

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Re: Will Pres. Biden release the JFK Files?
« Reply #34 on: May 10, 2021, 02:19:53 PM »
Even if dead there's still the family and friends to consider. Also, even with names redacted, there may be seemingly innocuous clues that point to a particular agent/asset, especially so if the agent/asset is already under suspicion. If a firm promise is given to not reveal any info that may jeopardise the identity, ever, that promise has to be upheld. No if's, but's, or maybe's here. Personally, I don't believe the names of the agents/assets from the civil war should have been released. That promise should, must be ironclad.

For once I agree with Denis  Thumb1: