Then went inside with the curtain rods

[Martin Weidmann]

This is really, really simple.  There's no need for any long winded contrarian mumbo jumbo.  Who said Frazier had "instant" knowledge of Oswald's guilt.  Try to focus. There is no doubt that by the time Frazier was questioned by the DPD approximately nine hours after the assassination that he knew Oswald was a suspect.  Obviously, he also knew that he had driven Oswald to work that morning and that Oswald carried a long narrow bag that could have contained a rifle.  Therefore, he had grounds to be concerned about whether he would be implicated and his answers to any questions would reflect that concern.

Who said Frazier had "instant" knowledge of Oswald's guilt.

You, at least implied it

There is no doubt that by the time Frazier was questioned by the DPD approximately nine hours after the assassination that he knew Oswald was a suspect.

Nobody argued otherwise.

Obviously, he also knew that he had driven Oswald to work that morning and that Oswald carried a long narrow bag

So what?

that could have contained a rifle.

No, that's just your preferred version. All Frazier knew is that the bag contained curtain rods and that the bag wasn't long enough to contain a rifle.

Therefore, he had grounds to be concerned about whether he would be implicated and his answers to any questions would reflect that concern.

No, if he had grounds for concern it would only have been because of the fact that he drove Oswald to work that morning. Frazier did nothing wrong and had no need to concoct a story.

As you are now shifting your position from "he went to Irving to get his story straight with his sister" to "he understood he could be in trouble after he was arrested", you are overlooking one thing.

In the second scenario he did not have an opportunity to get his story straight with his sister, which means that lying to the police could probably get him in bigger trouble than simply telling the truth.

Your desperate attempt to claim that Frazier had reason for concern and thus lied to the police about the size of the bag is just a pathetic attempt to explain away why Frazier (and Randle) estimated the bag at 27". It's pathetic.

[Martin Weidmann]

You guys really think he heard Oswald's name on the car radio? How long do you think it took to get to the Irving hospital even if the drove there directly......which he didnt?

I actually do not think that. Oswald wasn't yet arrested when Frazier left the TSBD and he would have arrived in Irving before Oswald's name was broadcast. On the short trip to Irving hospital, there is a minimal possibility that he might have heard it, but he told the HSCA that he didn't even know Lee's surname at that time.

[Richard Smith]

by the time Frazier was questioned by the DPD approximately nine hours after the assassination that he knew Oswald was a suspect.

NINE HOURS???     The DPD detectives went to the hospital in Irving where Linnie Mae told them Buell was visiting his step father.   That was about two or three hours after Lee had been dragged from the Theater.

Oswald was picked up at the Irving Hospital after 6PM and interrogated by Fritz after 9PM.  So do the math.

From the Bugliosi book:

5:57PM. Detectives Stovall and Ross turn their attention to locating Wesley Frazier.  If for no other reason than that he had driven Oswald to work that day and his present whereabouts are unknown...it takes detectives nearly forty-five minutes to determine that he is actually at the Irving Professional Center, a medical facility. 

9:00PM.  Detectives Stovall and Rose lead Wesley Frazier, his sister, Linnie Mae Randle, and their pastor, Reverend Campble of the Irving Baptist Church, into the back room of Homicide Robbery.  Since being arrested an hour and a half ago, Frazier has been very cooperative with police, allowing officers to search his car and his home, where they confiscated a .303 caliber rifle, a full clip, and a partial box of ammunition.  Captain Fritz comes back and questions both Wesley Frazier and his sister.

[Richard Smith]

Who said Frazier had "instant" knowledge of Oswald's guilt.

You, at least implied it

There is no doubt that by the time Frazier was questioned by the DPD approximately nine hours after the assassination that he knew Oswald was a suspect.

Nobody argued otherwise.

Obviously, he also knew that he had driven Oswald to work that morning and that Oswald carried a long narrow bag

So what?

that could have contained a rifle.

No, that's just your preferred version. All Frazier knew is that the bag contained curtain rods and that the bag wasn't long enough to contain a rifle.

Therefore, he had grounds to be concerned about whether he would be implicated and his answers to any questions would reflect that concern.

No, if he had grounds for concern it would only have been because of the fact that he drove Oswald to work that morning. Frazier did nothing wrong and had no need to concoct a story.

As you are now shifting your position from "he went to Irving to get his story straight with his sister" to "he understood he could be in trouble after he was arrested", you are overlooking one thing.

In the second scenario he did not have an opportunity to get his story straight with his sister, which means that lying to the police could probably get him in bigger trouble than simply telling the truth.

Your desperate attempt to claim that Frazier had reason for concern and thus lied to the police about the size of the bag is just a pathetic attempt to explain away why Frazier (and Randle) estimated the bag at 27". It's pathetic.

Frazier had ample opportunity to get his story straight with his sister.  In one interview, he indicated that he called her from the hospital.  In addition, she was at the police station with him for hours and Fritz apparently questioned them together around 9PM.  The larger point, however, which you had disputed is that Frazier obviously knew Oswald was a suspect in the JFK assassination prior to being questioned by Fritz.  All of his answers would have been given with the knowledge that he had driven the suspected assassin to the TSBD that morning. 

[Martin Weidmann]

Frazier had ample opportunity to get his story straight with his sister.  In one interview, he indicated that he called her from the hospital.  In addition, she was at the police station with him for hours and Fritz apparently questioned them together around 9PM.  The larger point, however, which you had disputed is that Frazier obviously knew Oswald was a suspect in the JFK assassination prior to being questioned by Fritz.  All of his answers would have been given with the knowledge that he had driven the suspected assassin to the TSBD that morning.

Frazier had ample opportunity to get his story straight with his sister.

Stop contradicting yourself. If Frazier was not aware of the fact that DPD were looking for him until they detained him at the hospital, he had no reason to get his story straight with his sister.

In one interview, he indicated that he called her from the hospital

In what interview would that be?

In addition, she was at the police station with him for hours and Fritz apparently questioned them together around 9PM.

Really? And where did you get this information? Police officers are normally not in the habit of letting witnesses/suspects talk to eachother prior to being interviewed.

Would this be the interview where Fritz put a pre-written confession before Frazier for him to sign?

The larger point, however, which you had disputed is that Frazier obviously knew Oswald was a suspect in the JFK assassination prior to being questioned by Fritz.

For crying out loud. I never disputed that. He must have become aware of the information somewhere between his detention at the hospital at 6 PM and his interview with Fritz and his subsequent polygraph. But by that time there was no way he could communicate with his sister. In other words, if his statement would differ from hers, because he was lying (as you claim) he would have to fear the consequences than he would by telling the truth.

All of his answers would have been given with the knowledge that he had driven the suspected assassin to the TSBD that morning.

I wonder if that's even true, because Oswald wasn't charged with JFK's murder until shortly before midnight. Frazier might have know Oswald was in custody by 9 PM, but he had no way of knowing for what exactly. As far as he was concered, all he did was drive a co-worker to work and they guy carried a 27" bag which contained curtain rods. There is nothing illegal or criminal about that.

[Colin Crow]

I actually do not think that. Oswald wasn't yet arrested when Frazier left the TSBD and he would have arrived in Irving before Oswald's name was broadcast. On the short trip to Irving hospital, there is a minimal possibility that he might have heard it, but he told the HSCA that he didn't even know Lee's surname at that time.

As soon as Oswald's name was broadcast, about 2.40, the Frazier family knew of the peril Buell was in. Frazier knew Lee was missing before he left. He knew that employees would tell the cops Lee got a ride with him. There were cops half a block away at the Paine's after 2.30pm. He and his sister could have walked there and talked to them. After he left home his mother was visited by some cops looking for him. She could have called the hospital to alert brother and sister. What we got was the bogus hospital trip to visit his abusive step father.....

[Colin Crow]

Looks like LMR was pretty quick to work things out......



From her Nov28 SS interview.