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Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #693 on: March 12, 2021, 04:19:51 AM »
Frazier indicated that he was present at the line up.

Learn to understand what you are reading, fool. Yes, Frazier was present at the initial line up, but after that he left and then DPD officers decided they wanted to talk to all the employees that had been on the 6th floor that day, which included Frazier. That was the second line up! Because he was no longer at the TSBD, and thus not present at the second line up, officers went to his known address in Irving to pick him up.

Get your story straight and get back to us.

Says the idiot who doesn't even know what the actual story is.

Frazier left the TSBD and went home around 1.30. On the way he heard of JFK death on the car radio. He did not go immediately to the Irving hospital. He likely got home around 2pm. It seems likely LMR and his mother were watching assassination coverage according to his HSCA interview. Oswald was first mentioned in the media around 2.40. At that time there were already 6 cops at the Paine's just a few houses away. I suggest that Frazier and his sister "disappeared" for some time to work on a story that would minimise any trouble for him.

According to his HSCA interview at sometime after they left the cops visited his mother at the house and spoke with her.

Anyone want to object to that scenario?

Online Richard Smith

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #694 on: March 12, 2021, 03:04:59 PM »
Frazier indicated that he was present at the line up.

Learn to understand what you are reading, fool. Yes, Frazier was present at the initial line up, but after that he left and then DPD officers decided they wanted to talk to all the employees that had been on the 6th floor that day, which included Frazier. That was the second line up! Because he was no longer at the TSBD, and thus not present at the second line up, officers went to his known address in Irving to pick him up.

Get your story straight and get back to us.

Says the idiot who doesn't even know what the actual story is.

Imbecile.  You suggested Frazier was "arrested' because he left the TSBD and that he had no basis to realize when he was taken in by the DPD that it was related to Oswald.  That is a complete and total falsehood.  He was given permission to leave.  The DPD wanted to talk with him further because they learned he had driven Oswald to work that morning.  By that point Frazier knew that they wanted to talk with him because of his association with Oswald.  Again, he had talked with the DPD and been given permission to leave work.  His not being at the TSBD was not the reason the DPD wanted to talk with him.  It was his association with Oswald.  Frazier knew that.  He heard on his car radio that Oswald had been taken into custody. The DPD did not track down every TSBD employee who left after they had been given permission.

Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #695 on: March 12, 2021, 04:08:34 PM »
Imbecile.  You suggested Frazier was "arrested' because he left the TSBD and that he had no basis to realize when he was taken in by the DPD that it was related to Oswald.  That is a complete and total falsehood.  He was given permission to leave.  The DPD wanted to talk with him further because they learned he had driven Oswald to work that morning.  By that point Frazier knew that they wanted to talk with him because of his association with Oswald.  Again, he had talked with the DPD and been given permission to leave work.  His not being at the TSBD was not the reason the DPD wanted to talk with him.  It was his association with Oswald.  Frazier knew that.  He heard on his car radio that Oswald had been taken into custody. The DPD did not track down every TSBD employee who left after they had been given permission.

You suggested Frazier was "arrested' because he left the TSBD and that he had no basis to realize when he was taken in by the DPD that it was related to Oswald. 

Indeed

He was given permission to leave.

I never said otherwise

The DPD wanted to talk with him further because they learned he had driven Oswald to work that morning.

And your evidence for this is what exactly? Or is it just another one of your ''obvious facts''?

You do know that Oswald was arrested for Tippit's murder and not JFK's, right? Only after he was brought into the station did they discover that they already had the man in custody who Fritz wanted to talk to because he was missing at the first TSBD line up. Oswald was not charged with JFK's murder until shortly before the midnight "press conference".

Yet here you are claiming that Frazier, shortly after leaving the TSBD at 1:30 PM, should have known that DPD officers wanted to talk to him in connection with Oswald.

By that point Frazier knew that they wanted to talk with him because of his association with Oswald.

Prove it.

Again, he had talked with the DPD and been given permission to leave work. 

BS, during the initial line up all the workers gave their personal details to the officers and nothing else. They did not interview anybody. If they had done, the workers wouldn't have been able to leave so quickly. Frazier left the building at around 1:30 PM

His not being at the TSBD was not the reason the DPD wanted to talk with him.  It was his association with Oswald.

So you keep claiming, but you haven't go a shred of evidence for it. But then, what else is new for you?

He heard on his car radio that Oswald had been taken into custody.

Indeed, but that was for the murder of Tippit, not JFK and Frazier told the HSCA that he only know Oswald's first name at that time, so he had no way of connecting the dots and in fact didn't!

The DPD did not track down every TSBD employee who left after they had been given permission.

Indeed, only those who had been on the 6th floor and most of them were still in the building. Frazier wasn't.
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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #696 on: March 12, 2021, 05:34:38 PM »


His not being at the TSBD was not the reason the DPD wanted to talk with him.  It was his association with Oswald.

So you keep claiming, but you haven't go a shred of evidence for it. But then, what else is new for you?

The DPD did not track down every TSBD employee who left after they had been given permission.

Indeed, only those who had been on the 6th floor and most of them were still in the building. Frazier wasn't.

Frazier was not "arrested" until after 6PM.  Four hours after Oswald is taken into custody.  Frazier is not interrogated until after 9PM.  Frazier was a person of interest due to his association with Oswald.  He certainly knew by the time he was questioned by the DPD that Oswald was a suspect.  He even heard it on the radio.  The DPD wanted to talk with him that night for that reason.  He knew that.  He knew when he answered those questions that he was in potential trouble.  Frazier is the Ned Spangler of the JFK assassination.  He had good cause to be concerned that the police or public would attempt to hold him accountable based on what he had knew prior to the assassination.  So his answers are potentially skewed with an obvious desire to distance himself from any reason to be suspicious of Oswald's behavior.   As a result, he wasn't paying much attention that morning, no talk, just driving in silence. 

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #697 on: March 12, 2021, 07:02:07 PM »
Imbecile.  You suggested Frazier was "arrested' because he left the TSBD and that he had no basis to realize when he was taken in by the DPD that it was related to Oswald.  That is a complete and total falsehood.  He was given permission to leave.  The DPD wanted to talk with him further because they learned he had driven Oswald to work that morning.  By that point Frazier knew that they wanted to talk with him because of his association with Oswald.  Again, he had talked with the DPD and been given permission to leave work.  His not being at the TSBD was not the reason the DPD wanted to talk with him.  It was his association with Oswald.  Frazier knew that.  He heard on his car radio that Oswald had been taken into custody. The DPD did not track down every TSBD employee who left after they had been given permission.

Lee was arrested at about 1:50.....When was the name Oswald first broadcast ?     I doubt that Frazier heard Lee's name as a suspect on his car radio.

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #698 on: March 12, 2021, 07:10:20 PM »
Frazier was not "arrested" until after 6PM.  Four hours after Oswald is taken into custody.  Frazier is not interrogated until after 9PM.  Frazier was a person of interest due to his association with Oswald.  He certainly knew by the time he was questioned by the DPD that Oswald was a suspect.  He even heard it on the radio.  The DPD wanted to talk with him that night for that reason.  He knew that.  He knew when he answered those questions that he was in potential trouble.  Frazier is the Ned Spangler of the JFK assassination.  He had good cause to be concerned that the police or public would attempt to hold him accountable based on what he had knew prior to the assassination.  So his answers are potentially skewed with an obvious desire to distance himself from any reason to be suspicious of Oswald's behavior.   As a result, he wasn't paying much attention that morning, no talk, just driving in silence.

Again, a lot of words but not a shred of evidence for this BS

Frazier was not "arrested" until after 6PM.  Four hours after Oswald is taken into custody.

Again, Oswald was arrested for the Tippit murder and Frazier only knew his first name. During the time between leaving the TSBD at 1:30 PM and his detention at the hospital at 6 PM his only source of information was his car radio, which had only told him that somebody named Oswald had been arrested. At that time Frazier did not know Lee's surname. Yet, you, rather foolishly, claim that during that at that time Frazier not only knew DPD was looking for him but that it was in connection with Oswald (who at that time wasn't charged with JFK's murder) and that he went to his sister to concoct a story.

Frazier is not interrogated until after 9PM.  Frazier was a person of interest due to his association with Oswald.  He certainly knew by the time he was questioned by the DPD that Oswald was a suspect.

By 9 PM, yes, but how did that give him an opportunity to synchronize his story with his sister? It didn't!

This is just more tossing and turning on your part. First you claimed that prior to his detention Frazier already knew that DPD wanted to talk to him in connection with Oswald and that this was the reason he went to his sister to concoct a story. Now, you've got him being aware of a potential problem at 9 PM and at the police station, with no way to concoct any kind of story with Randle. So, which of the two is it?

The DPD wanted to talk with him that night for that reason.

Again, that night, yes. But not during the daytime. They wanted to talk to him as one of the workers who had been on the 6th floor. Just like Fritz, initially, wanted to talk to Oswald because he was missing from the TSBD line up.

He knew when he answered those questions that he was in potential trouble.

Really? Did he tell you that?

He had good cause to be concerned that the police or public would attempt to hold him accountable based on what he had knew prior to the assassination.

Says you with flawed hindsight.

So his answers are potentially skewed with an obvious desire to distance himself from any reason to be suspicious of Oswald's behavior. As a result, he wasn't paying much attention that morning, no talk, just driving in silence.

And there it is, the real reason for all the speculation, twisting and turning and assumptions. You just want to argue that Frazier had instant knowledge of Oswald's guilt that he lied to investigators from day one and has been lying ever since.

Ain't it nice when you can just make up stuff that fits your narrative.
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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #699 on: March 12, 2021, 07:16:57 PM »
Lee was arrested at about 1:50.....When was the name Oswald first broadcast ?     I doubt that Frazier heard Lee's name as a suspect on his car radio.

Lee told the HSCA that he heard that a guy named Oswald had been arrested, but he didn't know Lee's surname.

The only source of information available to Frazier between leaving the TSBD at 1:30 PM and his detention at the hospital, at around 6 PM, would have been his car radio. It seems unlikely that he heard the news about Oswald's arrest during his trip to Irving, so the only other time he could have heard it would be during the trip from his sister's house to the hospital. A very narrow window indeed.

Yet, "Richard", claims that Frazier went to his sister to get their story straight because he somehow already knew at 1:30 PM or shortly thereafter that DPD would be looking for him in connection with Oswald (who at that time had not even been arrested).

Go figure!