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Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: A 6th floor shooting sequence and doesn't require the SBT
« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2020, 06:11:00 AM »
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Except Tague said he heard another shot after being struck.

Well, who am I to question the reliability of a witness’s memory? :)

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Re: A 6th floor shooting sequence and doesn't require the SBT
« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2020, 06:11:00 AM »


Online Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: A 6th floor shooting sequence and doesn't require the SBT
« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2020, 05:49:19 PM »
Well, who am I to question the reliability of a witness’s memory? :)

From Tague's testimony:

Mr. LIEBELER. Do you have any idea which bullet might have made that mark [on his face]?
Mr. TAGUE. I would guess it was either the second or third. I wouldn't say definitely on which one.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did you hear any more shots after you felt yourself get hit in the face?
Mr. TAGUE. I believe I did.
Mr. LIEBELER. You think you did?
Mr. TAGUE. I believe I did.
Mr. LIEBELER. How many?
Mr. TAGUE. I believe that it was the second shot, so I heard the third shot afterwards.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did you hear three shots?
Mr. TAGUE. I heard three shots; yes sir. And I did notice the time on the Hertz clock. It was 12:29.

"I believe", "I believe", "I believe."

If JFK was shot from the front - and the bullet exited the back of his head - I am perplexed as to how Tague could be hit by a fragment. Okay, I admit it: I'm not really perplexed <g>.

Full testimony here: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/tague.htm
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Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: A 6th floor shooting sequence and doesn't require the SBT
« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2020, 06:32:50 PM »
how Tague could be hit by a fragment. No lack of candidates ...

    "Three volleys of shots were fired--at least six and perhaps as
     many as nine--most probably using fragmenting bullets or
     "sabot" slugs which could be traced to Oswald's 6.54 mm rifle."
               -- Jim Marrs, Crossfire, 1989

The shots ramp up when they assign one to every individual wound. There's up to four shots that struck Kennedy:
  • Back Wound
    (some claim the autopsy pictures show two back wounds)
  • Throat Wound
  • Head Wound Entering at Rear
  • Head Wound Entering at Front
    (Tink has 3 and 4 striking almost simultaneously)
Connally may have up to three shots striking him:
  • Back Wound
  • Radius Wound
  • Thigh Wound
There's also the missed shots:
  • A shot into the pavement
  • A shot down by the manhole cover
  • A shot or ricochet to the area of Tague
  • McLaren has one that struck the east side of the Underpass
Funny bullets, though, some only penetrate a half-inch of soft tissue and fall out.

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Re: A 6th floor shooting sequence and doesn't require the SBT
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Offline Michael Carney

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Re: A 6th floor shooting sequence and doesn't require the SBT
« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2020, 09:31:34 PM »
Counting shots again:
1.   Ricochet bullet off the pavement frags hitting JFK in the back of the head. Witnessed by a bookkeeper from the TSBD and several others. JFK said “my god, I’ve been hit”. Maybe frame 214
2.   JFK front throat wound – judged an entry wound by a nurse with considerable experience which had to have come from the front. Maybe frame 223
3.   JFK back wound –at which time he leans forward grabbing his chest. Maybe frame 260
4.   Grassy knoll JFK head shot – so many witnesses said a bullet came from the grassy knoll. Maybe frame 313
5.   JFK Hickey head shot – Jean Hill saw men in plain clothes shooting back. I think 4 & 5 were simultaneous. Connolly starts to turn back around while JFK is holding his throat. Then JFK lowers his hands to his chest, Connolly is almost straight forward and JFK gets hit in the head. Maybe frame 313.
6.   Connolly back wound –  If you study the Z film Connolly is still turning, hat in hand, when JFK’s head explodes. Connolly testified that he was complexly turned around and about to turn in the other backwards direction when he was hit. Maybe frame 324.

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Re: A 6th floor shooting sequence and doesn't require the SBT
« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2020, 10:19:15 PM »
If JFK was shot from the front - and the bullet exited the back of his head - I am perplexed as to how Tague could be hit by a fragment. Okay, I admit it: I'm not really perplexed <g>.

Who said that Tague was struck by a fragment from a frontal shot?
« Last Edit: September 09, 2020, 10:21:04 PM by John Iacoletti »

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Offline Michael Carney

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Re: A 6th floor shooting sequence and doesn't require the SBT
« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2020, 06:51:51 PM »
The shot from the front hit JFK in the throat and I don't think it exited his body.

Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: A 6th floor shooting sequence and doesn't require the SBT
« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2020, 08:52:32 PM »
The shot from the front hit JFK in the throat and I don't think it exited his body.

What happened to the bullet?

It wasn't there at autopsy.

Nor was the bullet that entered the "back" of the President and is alleged to not have transited the neck.

These are peculiar bullets. Don't penetrate deep and fall out.

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Offline Michael T. Griffith

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Re: A 6th floor shooting sequence and doesn't require the SBT
« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2020, 09:46:53 PM »
What happened to the bullet?

It wasn't there at autopsy.

Nor was the bullet that entered the "back" of the President and is alleged to not have transited the neck.

These are peculiar bullets. Don't penetrate deep and fall out.

These silly, disingenuous questions have already been answered. They were answered in the 1990s and have been answered again and again many times since then.

If you want to talk about "peculiar" things, how about the EOP-to-right-eye fragment trail described in the autopsy report? Where is it? It's not on the extant x-rays. So where did it go?

How about the high fragment trail? Why didn't the autopsy doctors say anything about it in the autopsy report? Surely Finck and Ebersole, at least, would not have committed such a blunder as to describe the high fragment trail as running between the EOP and the right eye.

How about 6.5 mm object? The autopsy report says nothing about it. (Of course, we know now--and I mean know--that the object was planted on the x-ray; we even know how it was done.)

How about the cowlick entry site? The autopsy doctors said the entry site was 4 inches lower, just above the EOP. Were they blind? Ah, but the cowlick entry site does not appear on the skull x-rays. All three of the ARRB's forensic experts confirmed this, and a whole bunch of other doctors have subsequently confirmed it. Oops, but the EOP site could not have been hit by a bullet fired from the alleged Oswald window.