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Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #220 on: July 18, 2020, 01:18:06 PM »
People want 4 more years of death and virus with a failed loser like Donald Trump who does nothing? Hell no they don't. COVID-19 is worse now than  it was in March. Other countries have gotten the virus under control. The USA is supposed to be a leader setting an example for the world. The USA is the worst in the world and Americans are banned from traveling to other countries.  The USA is no longer looked up to as a leader. Other countries have taken the lead and we have lost our standing in the world. We are a failed nation under decline with Donald Trump. Our economy is in shambles, people are weak, sick, and dying. Hospitals are at full capacity and sick people are not going to be able to get critical care. Refrigerator trucks are being used for temporary morgues. Do people want to live this way with a president who tells you "it will magically go away when its hot"? It's hot now and more people are dying. Donald Trump is a disgrace.


It's not only coronavirus cases that are rising now COVID deaths are too
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/its-not-only-coronavirus-cases-that-are-rising-now-covid-deaths-are-too/2020/07/17/193006e8-c868-11ea-8ffe-372be8d82298_story.html

Texas Hits More Record Highs in COVID-19 Cases, Deaths Friday
Texas reported a single-day record of 174 new deaths related to the coronavirus Friday

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/texas-news/texas-hits-more-record-highs-in-covid-19-cases-deaths-friday/2408850/

Portable Morgues On The Way To Arizona As Coronavirus Surges
Refrigerated trucks are on the way to Phoenix as coronavirus cases and deaths surge in Maricopa County, the epicenter of Arizona's outbreak.
https://patch.com/arizona/phoenix/portable-morgues-way-phoenix-coronavirus-surges

Arizona reports 3,910 new coronavirus cases, 91 more deaths
https://ktar.com/story/3403725/arizona-reports-3910-new-coronavirus-cases-91-more-deaths/

California’s coronavirus infections are skyrocketing. Is this the time to reopen schools?
https://www.sacbee.com/podcasts/article244258612.html

Tennessee flagged as a ‘Red Zone’ for COVID-19 cases
https://www.wkrn.com/community/health/coronavirus/tennessee-flagged-as-a-red-zone-for-covid-19-cases/

Arkansas logs largest daily increase in COVID-19 hospitalizations
https://wreg.com/news/coronavirus-in-arkansas-governor-hutchinson-state-leaders-give-update-on-covid-19-response-in-conway/

Oklahoma sees 1,075 single-day increase in COVID-19 cases; 4 more deaths
https://www.enidnews.com/news/covid19/osdh-oklahoma-sees-1-075-single-day-increase-in-covid-19-cases-4-more-deaths/article_df6046d4-c6b5-11ea-a86e-fb292f97ef73.html

Offline Paul May

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #221 on: July 18, 2020, 04:06:53 PM »
Fox News peddled misinformation about the coronavirus 253 times in five days: study

Roger Sollenberger

A new study finds that Fox News peddled misinformation about the coronavirus pandemic 253 times in only five days. The documented instances included claims which undermined science and faith in experts, as well as demands that schools and businesses reopen at the risk of public health.

Primetime host Laura Ingraham, who has no medical or scientific background whatsoever, led the pack with about a quarter of the claims — 63 total, or just more than 12 per show. Additionally, the network's "straight news" programs contributed about 35% of the misinformation.

The study, published Thursday by media watchdog Media Matters for America, was conducted from July 6 to 10 — the week after a Yahoo News report proclaimed that Fox's coronavirus coverage had taken a "remarkable turn" for the better.

However haltingly and incompletely, the president's favorite news outlet has started to acknowledge, across various programs and its news site, that the coronavirus is a far graver threat than even [President Donald] Trump himself will acknowledge.

That report cited two articles on the network's website and two instances of Fox News personalities Sean Hannity and Steve Doocy making remarks about masks that, while stopping short of endorsements, did not mock them outright.

The article also pointed out that Fox News requires its employees to wear masks at work most of the time. Additionally, the network appears to have canceled a Fox Nation show about the pandemic hosted by coronavirus conspiracy theorist Alex Berenson, though extant episodes remain available.

The data in the Media Matters study flatly contradicts the isolated examples from the Yahoo report. Here is a quick breakdown:

About half the incidents — 115 claims — challenged scientific consensus and undermined official government recommendations, such as social distancing and masking guidelines.
"The Ingraham Angle" was the clear leader of the pack, pushing misinformation 63 times, more than half of which came from Ingraham herself, who undermined science a staggering 21 times in five days.
"Fox & Friends" took second place with 45 instances; "Hannity" and "Tucker Carlson Tonight" finished in a dead heat for third, clocking 21 and 20 instances, respectively.
Straight news programs delivered more than a third of the misinformation, led by Martha MacCallum's "The Story" with 20 claims.
Eight claims defended or endorsed unproven remedies such as hydroxychloroquine, days after the FDA told people not to take it outside of hospitals or clinical trials.
The network politicized the pandemic 63 times, including 51 claims that regulations requiring masks and closing businesses were rooted in politics and 10 false claims linking recent racial justice protests to a surge in new infections.
Hosts advocated 34 times to disregard public health concerns in favor of reopening the country's more than 100,000 K-12 schools.
The misinformation and the seeming coordination with official White House talking points has raised alarm among experts.

For instance, in a "Hannity" interview July 10, the last day covered in the study, Trump responded to a question about the nation's top infectious disease expert, Dr. Anthony Fauci, by saying "he's made a lot of mistakes."

That interview fed an ongoing White House effort to discredit Fauci, who pushed back by calling such efforts "bizarre."

"Ultimately, it hurts the president," he said.

Then there is the matter of schools. The network and the administration, including Trump and Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos, for weeks trumpeted an American Academy of Pediatrics statement advising a measured reopening of schools.

The misinformation's momentum eventually compelled the academy — together with with the two largest educators' unions in the country and the School Superintendents Association — to clarify its statement. It now says that reopening "will clearly require substantial new investments in our schools and campuses," and calls on Congress and the administration "to provide the federal resources needed" to safely educate and care for students.

In an earlier Media Matters audit of the cable network, Fox News posted a 20% decline in its coronavirus coverage between March and May.

But this unrelenting misinformation campaign comes amid a massive surge in COVID-19 infections, which has ravaged healthcare resources in Sun Belt states such as Arizona, California, Florida and Texas. In recent weeks, the U.S. has set seven records for daily new cases, topping 68,000 on July 10, the same day which Trump, who said on numerous occasions that the virus would "miraculously" disappear in April, told Hannity that Fauci had "made a lot of mistakes."

Now, many states are walking back reopening measures. California closed restaurants, movie theaters and bars. Arizona also shuttered movie theaters and bars, plus gyms and water parks.

On July 13, Fox Business host Lou Dobbs wondered "what in hell is going on" as closures increased. Dr. Marc Siegel, a Fox medical expert, criticized the policies as "not consistent," "punitive" and "draconian."

However, there are some fractures within the network. A study from April showed that viewers of Hannity were more likely to die of COVID-19 than Carlson's viewers. Now, the two seem neck-and-neck in misinformation.

Carlson, who in June broke Hannity's all-time ratings record, recently claimed there was "no evidence" that masks help constrain the pandemic, in contradiction of guidance from the World Health Organization and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Hannity, meanwhile, took the opposite view.

"I went to my grocery store every week. Guess what?" the host recently asked. "They wore masks. Nobody at my grocery store, thank God, got coronavirus."

"I think they work," he added.

Offline Thomas Graves

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #222 on: July 18, 2020, 04:28:59 PM »
Fox News peddled misinformation about the coronavirus 253 times in five days: study

Roger Sollenberger

A new study finds that Fox News peddled misinformation about the coronavirus pandemic 253 times in only five days. The documented instances included claims which undermined science and faith in experts, as well as demands that schools and businesses reopen at the risk of public health.

Primetime host Laura Ingraham, who has no medical or scientific background whatsoever, led the pack with about a quarter of the claims — 63 total, or just more than 12 per show. Additionally, the network's "straight news" programs contributed about 35% of the misinformation.

The study, published Thursday by media watchdog Media Matters for America, was conducted from July 6 to 10 — the week after a Yahoo News report proclaimed that Fox's coronavirus coverage had taken a "remarkable turn" for the better.

However haltingly and incompletely, the president's favorite news outlet has started to acknowledge, across various programs and its news site, that the coronavirus is a far graver threat than even [President Donald] Trump himself will acknowledge.

That report cited two articles on the network's website and two instances of Fox News personalities Sean Hannity and Steve Doocy making remarks about masks that, while stopping short of endorsements, did not mock them outright.

The article also pointed out that Fox News requires its employees to wear masks at work most of the time. Additionally, the network appears to have canceled a Fox Nation show about the pandemic hosted by coronavirus conspiracy theorist Alex Berenson, though extant episodes remain available.

The data in the Media Matters study flatly contradicts the isolated examples from the Yahoo report. Here is a quick breakdown:

About half the incidents — 115 claims — challenged scientific consensus and undermined official government recommendations, such as social distancing and masking guidelines.
"The Ingraham Angle" was the clear leader of the pack, pushing misinformation 63 times, more than half of which came from Ingraham herself, who undermined science a staggering 21 times in five days.
"Fox & Friends" took second place with 45 instances; "Hannity" and "Tucker Carlson Tonight" finished in a dead heat for third, clocking 21 and 20 instances, respectively.
Straight news programs delivered more than a third of the misinformation, led by Martha MacCallum's "The Story" with 20 claims.
Eight claims defended or endorsed unproven remedies such as hydroxychloroquine, days after the FDA told people not to take it outside of hospitals or clinical trials.
The network politicized the pandemic 63 times, including 51 claims that regulations requiring masks and closing businesses were rooted in politics and 10 false claims linking recent racial justice protests to a surge in new infections.
Hosts advocated 34 times to disregard public health concerns in favor of reopening the country's more than 100,000 K-12 schools.
The misinformation and the seeming coordination with official White House talking points has raised alarm among experts.

For instance, in a "Hannity" interview July 10, the last day covered in the study, Trump responded to a question about the nation's top infectious disease expert, Dr. Anthony Fauci, by saying "he's made a lot of mistakes."

That interview fed an ongoing White House effort to discredit Fauci, who pushed back by calling such efforts "bizarre."

"Ultimately, it hurts the president," he said.

Then there is the matter of schools. The network and the administration, including Trump and Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos, for weeks trumpeted an American Academy of Pediatrics statement advising a measured reopening of schools.

The misinformation's momentum eventually compelled the academy — together with with the two largest educators' unions in the country and the School Superintendents Association — to clarify its statement. It now says that reopening "will clearly require substantial new investments in our schools and campuses," and calls on Congress and the administration "to provide the federal resources needed" to safely educate and care for students.

In an earlier Media Matters audit of the cable network, Fox News posted a 20% decline in its coronavirus coverage between March and May.

But this unrelenting misinformation campaign comes amid a massive surge in COVID-19 infections, which has ravaged healthcare resources in Sun Belt states such as Arizona, California, Florida and Texas. In recent weeks, the U.S. has set seven records for daily new cases, topping 68,000 on July 10, the same day which Trump, who said on numerous occasions that the virus would "miraculously" disappear in April, told Hannity that Fauci had "made a lot of mistakes."

Now, many states are walking back reopening measures. California closed restaurants, movie theaters and bars. Arizona also shuttered movie theaters and bars, plus gyms and water parks.

On July 13, Fox Business host Lou Dobbs wondered "what in hell is going on" as closures increased. Dr. Marc Siegel, a Fox medical expert, criticized the policies as "not consistent," "punitive" and "draconian."

However, there are some fractures within the network. A study from April showed that viewers of Hannity were more likely to die of COVID-19 than Carlson's viewers. Now, the two seem neck-and-neck in misinformation.

Carlson, who in June broke Hannity's all-time ratings record, recently claimed there was "no evidence" that masks help constrain the pandemic, in contradiction of guidance from the World Health Organization and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Hannity, meanwhile, took the opposite view.

"I went to my grocery store every week. Guess what?" the host recently asked. "They wore masks. Nobody at my grocery store, thank God, got coronavirus."

"I think they work," he added.

Dear Gentlemen,

What does a porous-to-tiny-droplets but breath-and-sneeze-blocking mask protect more -- the wearer, or the people around the wearer?

D'oh

--  Mudd Wrassler Tommy  ;)

Offline Paul May

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #223 on: July 18, 2020, 04:32:36 PM »
For those (Storing) believing Donald Trump in 2020 is running against Joe Biden, he’s not. Poll numbers? Who cares. Trump has one opponent he cannot scream at or demean on Twitter. It’s an opponent who will not debate. It’s an opponent who will have the last word.

We haven't even gotten into Trump's cratering poll numbers. Wanna? Listen up Storing. He is down by double digits nationally, down by double digits in most battleground states, and even down in double digits among his own Republican base when it comes to his performance in handling the coronavirus. And then there are the worst numbers of all: almost 140,000 dead, with the CDC estimating 170,000 by Aug. 8. A record 77,000 people were diagnosed with the virus on Thursday, and 926 died. The numbers keep going up almost every day.

Trump likely could run unopposed.....and lose.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #224 on: July 18, 2020, 04:36:44 PM »
For those (Storing) believing Donald Trump in 2020 is running against Joe Biden, he’s not. Poll numbers? Who cares. Trump has one opponent he cannot scream at or demean on Twitter. It’s an opponent who will not debate. It’s an opponent who will have the last word.

We haven't even gotten into Trump's cratering poll numbers. Wanna? Listen up Storing. He is down by double digits nationally, down by double digits in most battleground states, and even down in double digits among his own Republican base when it comes to his performance in handling the coronavirus. And then there are the worst numbers of all: almost 140,000 dead, with the CDC estimating 170,000 by Aug. 8. A record 77,000 people were diagnosed with the virus on Thursday, and 926 died. The numbers keep going up almost every day.

Trump likely could run unopposed.....and lose.

I think Trump will win another squeaker after Vladimir Putin, two weeks before the election, arranges for the release of photographs purporting to show Joe and Hunter Biden sexually molesting a goat.

Or some-such thing.

"But ... but ... but ... THE COLD WAR IS OVER, AND WE WON, TOMMY!"

--  MWT  ;)
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Offline Paul May

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #225 on: July 18, 2020, 04:42:06 PM »
Trump Caught Lying About Biden’s Police Stance in Fox News Interview Debacle

By Jonathan Chait

President Trump, apparently realizing that he has little chance to defeat Joe Biden, has decided instead to run against an imaginary candidate who shares a name with his Democratic opponent but few of the same policy proposals. In an interview with Fox News host Chris Wallace, Trump asserted that Biden wants to “defund the police.” Wallace stopped him and pointed out that this is not true. Trump, who usually bluffs his way through moments when his lies are called out by throwing out new lies, instead claimed to have a document that would prove it. “Oh, really? It says ‘abolish’ — let’s go, get me the charter, please!” he said, calling for his aides.


They could not, of course, because Trump’s claims are flatly false. Biden did sign a charter with Bernie Sanders in which he endorsed several positions that brought him closer to his left-wing opponent. He did not, however, agree to defund or abolish the police.

The paper does endorse a broad array of police reforms, including use-of-force guidelines, federal oversight, racial-profiling restrictions, and others. There is nothing in it calling for the abolition of police or a reduction in funding for police. It calls for the federal government to “make smart investments to incentivize departments to build effective partnerships with social workers and mental health and substance use counselors to help respond to frontline public health challenges” — i.e., increasing the allotment of funding for the work currently performed by police. Biden did not endorse abolition or defunding of the police because it’s highly unpopular and he isn’t crazy.

At a speech attacking Biden today, Vice-President Mike Pence leaned on the theme that Biden won’t really be president at all. “Joe Biden has referred to himself as a transition candidate, and what many are asking across this country is, a transition to what?” asked Pence. “I thought Joe Biden won the Democratic primary, but looking at that [unity] document, it seems like Bernie won.” When your campaign is reduced to implicitly conceding that it would be great if Biden was president but it isn’t going to happen, you’re in a place of clear desperation.

During the Democratic primary, some progressives argued that there was little value in avoiding unpopular left-wing positions and labels, since Trump was going to call his opponent a radical socialist regardless of who he faced. It’s true that Trump was going to do this, but it’s not true that the tactic would work equally well on any opponent. It’s harder to pin an unpopular position on an opponent who refuses to support it than it is on an opponent who denies it.

Wallace told his audience that Trump “couldn’t find any indication, because there isn’t any, that Joe Biden has sought to defund and abolish the police.” That is a humiliating result for a Fox News interview.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #226 on: July 18, 2020, 04:43:39 PM »
  When you guys have anything New to Endlessly grouse about, PM me. As usual, your redundant haranguing is Killing the thread. Last night, you get a dissenting voice contributing to this thread and the Silent Majority viewership Immediately set record numbers. This A.M. you dog pilers go into your Pete and RePete Routine and as usual the viewer response = Crickets. The wild audience fluctuations Here is a microcosm of Nov 3. Lotta Noise outta the Malcontents but the Silent Majority always ends up carrying the day.   

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #227 on: July 18, 2020, 04:51:13 PM »
  When you guys have anything New to Endlessly grouse about, PM me. As usual, your redundant haranguing is Killing the thread. Last night, you get a dissenting voice contributing to this thread and the Silent Majority viewership Immediately set record numbers. This A.M. you dog pilers go into your Pete and RePete Routine and as usual the viewer response = Crickets. The wild audience fluctuations Here is a microcosm of Nov 3. Lotta Noise outta the Malcontents but the Silent Majority always ends up carrying the day.

History is debated, never argued. That is impossible here because YOU are a pathological liar who attempts to defend another pathological liar who through policy is killing American citizens at a record pace. Silent majority? They’re dying also.

Offline Royell Storing

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #228 on: July 18, 2020, 05:21:43 PM »

  When do we get to the part where You call me a Racist, Homophobe, Xenowhatever, and on & on?  You HATERS are a 1 Note Cacophony of Fingernails on the chalkboard.
  I see the Biden Campaign is as usual speaking for Fuzzy Joe and claiming the Russkies are currently meddling in the upcoming election. If Putin is in Trump's corner, how can he lose? Maybe you guys better save your energy and sit this one out? You might have a chance 4 years down the road if something were to happen to Putin. Until then, according to Fuzzy Joe, this election is already rigged.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #229 on: July 18, 2020, 06:11:38 PM »
Mr. Storing:  do Black Lives Matter?

 

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