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« Reply #6248 on: June 06, 2023, 12:31:02 AM »
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Earlier today Jack Smith personally met with Donald Trump’s criminal defense attorneys in the classified documents probe, and the timing and the circumstances make it pretty clear that this was the ‘We’re indicting your client’ meeting. Now more of the details are pouring out this evening about Smith’s probe – and Trump’s alleged antics.

Two months after the DOJ had the FBI seize classified documents from Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home, one of Trump’s employees drained a swimming pool in a way that ended up flooding the room where the surveillance records were kept, according to a surreal new report from CNN. Prosecutors have known about this for awhile and even gotten testimony about it.

It’s not clear from the reporting whether prosecutors think this flooding happened on purpose. In any case, the surveillance evidence wasn’t damaged, and best anyone can tell, Jack Smith has all that surveillance evidence as part of his criminal case. For this kind of thing to be the basis of an obstruction of justice charge, there would need to be proof that Trump or someone else instructed the employee to flood the surveillance room on purpose, and nothing along those lines is being reported.

Still, this all keeps getting stranger. Either Trump has the kind of inept idiots working for him who can’t drain a swimming pool without accidentally flooding the building, or Trump has the kind of inept idiots working for him who purposely tried to destroy a room full of evidence by flooding it, and didn’t manage to destroy any of it.


Exclusive: Mar-a-Lago pool flood raises suspicions among prosecutors in Trump classified documents case

Washington CNN — An employee at Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence drained the resort’s swimming pool last October and ended up flooding a room where computer servers containing surveillance video logs were kept, sources familiar with the matter told CNN.

While it’s unclear if the room was intentionally flooded or if it happened by mistake, the incident occurred amid a series of events that federal prosecutors found suspicious.

At least one witness has been asked by prosecutors about the flooded server room as part of the federal investigation into Trump’s handling of classified documents, according to one of the sources.

The incident, which has not been previously reported, came roughly two months after the FBI retrieved hundreds of classified documents from the Florida residence and as prosecutors obtained surveillance footage to track how White House records were moved around the resort. Prosecutors have been examining any effort to obstruct the Justice Department’s investigation after Trump received a subpoena in May 2022 for classified documents.

Prosecutors have heard testimony that the IT equipment in the room was not damaged in the flood, according to one source.

Yet the flooded room as well as conversations and actions by Trump’s employees while the criminal investigation bore down on the club has caught the attention of prosecutors. The circumstances may factor into a possible obstruction conspiracy case, multiple sources tell CNN, as investigators try to determine whether the events of last year around Mar-a-Lago indicate that Trump or a small group of people working for him, took steps to try to interfere with the Justice Department’s evidence-gathering.

Subpoenas for surveillance

Agents first subpoenaed the Trump Organization for Mar-a-Lago surveillance footage last summer, before the August search by the FBI. But as more classified documents were found through the end of last year, investigators sought more surveillance footage from the Trump Organization, sources tell CNN. That included an additional subpoena after the FBI search in August and a request from the Justice Department for the Trump Organization to preserve additional footage in late October, according to one of the sources.

At least two dozen people – from Mar-a-Lago resort staff to members of Trump’s inner circle at the Florida estate – have been subpoenaed to testify in front of the federal grand jury investigating the former president’s handling of classified documents and possible obstruction of justice, CNN previously reported.

Prosecutors for special counsel Jack Smith have been asking questions in recent months about the handling of surveillance footage at Mar-a-Lago resort and discussions Trump’s employees had about the surveillance system after the subpoena last summer for the footage, according to multiple sources.

Recently, investigators have asked questions indicating they are trying to determine if workers at Mar-a-Lago received specific direction from above, particularly from Trump himself, to obstruct the investigation.

Investigators have in recent weeks asked Trump employees whether it’s possible there are gaps in the surveillance footage that was turned over, and whether it could have been tampered with, according to the sources. That detail was first reported by the New York Times. The special counsel’s office declined to comment for this story.

Focus on Trump employees

Prosecutors from the special counsel’s office have focused their obstruction inquiries around Trump, Trump’s body man Walt Nauta and a maintenance worker who helped Nauta move boxes of classified documents ahead of federal agents searching the property last summer, and potentially others, sources told CNN.

The sources say that the maintenance worker is the person who drained the pool that led to the flooding of the IT room where the surveillance footage was held.

Last month, longtime Trump Organization executives Matthew Calamari Sr. and his son Matthew Calamari Jr., who each held senior roles overseeing security at Trump properties and the surveillance of the Florida club, appeared before the grand jury.

At the time, Investigators were interested in both the maintenance worker’s conversations and a text message from Nauta to Calamari Sr. where Nauta asked to talk. An attorney for Nauta declined to comment for this story. A spokesman for Trump and an attorney representing the maintenance worker did not immediately respond to a request to comment.

Moving boxes

In addition to asking about the surveillance tapes, prosecutors have questioned witnesses about Nauta and the maintenance worker moving boxes after the Justice Department first subpoenaed Trump for classified documents last May.

Three weeks after that subpoena, Trump’s attorney Evan Corcoran searched a storage room where boxes with documents from the White House had been kept. Corcoran found about three dozen classified documents, and he turned them over to FBI agents the following day when investigators came to Mar-a-Lago on June 3.

Corcoran told the DOJ at the time that he was led to believe by many people that there were no additional classified or White House documents at the resort and that all White House documents would be in the storage room when he searched it.

But surveillance footage that was subsequently turned over to the Justice Department showed Nauta and the maintenance worker moving document boxes around the resort, including into that storage room just before Corcoran searched it for classified documents. Corcoran handed over 38 records he found to the FBI the next day, yet the FBI found more than a hundred more documents with classified markings in August, both in Trump’s office and in the storage room.

The Justice Department has subsequently said in court that it believes “government records were likely concealed and removed from the Storage Room.”

Detailed notes Corcoran took from that time period about his efforts representing Trump also made no mention that he was aware of any boxes of documents being moved in or out of the storage room he was directed to search to comply with the DOJ’s demands, one source told CNN.

Earlier this year, prosecutors took the extraordinary step of subpoenaing Corcoran, arguing that attorney-client privilege did not apply because his discussions with the former president may have been part of Trump’s attempt to advance a crime. In March, a judge ordered Corcoran, who has recused himself from representing Trump in the Mar-a-Lago case, to provide additional testimony. The sealed court proceeding made clear, sources have told CNN, that Corcoran is not a target of the investigation.

When Nauta spoke to the FBI last year, he initially said he hadn’t handled boxes or sensitive documents at Mar-a-Lago, CNN previously reported. But after the FBI obtained the surveillance footage, he changed his story and said Trump had directed him to move the boxes, according to the previous CNN reporting. Nauta stopped speaking with investigators last fall after changing attorneys.

The maintenance worker more recently spoke to investigators in an interview, and his phone has been seized, some of the sources now tell CNN. Neither has been charged with any crime.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/05/politics/mar-a-lago-pool-flood-suspicions-prosecutors-trump-investigation-classified-documents/index.html

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6249 on: June 06, 2023, 02:57:21 AM »
When it was first reported yesterday that Jack Smith’s team would be meeting with Donald Trump’s criminal defense attorneys this week, I pointed out that this leak had to be coming from Trump’s side, and that we should therefore be wary of it. I also pointed out that if such a meeting really were happening, it would have to be the ‘we are indicting your client‘ meeting. Sure enough, Jack Smith’s team really did meet with Trump’s attorneys today.

Various news outlets have reported that the meeting lasted a couple hours, and that Trump’s attorneys spent the meeting raising concerns about how Smith had the courts strike down attorney client privilege in the case. In other words, this was definitely a ‘we’re indicting your client‘ meeting.

Prosecutors hold this kind of preindictment meeting for two reasons. One is fairness, to give defense attorneys the opportunity to raise legitimate concerns about why the case shouldn’t be brought. But the real reason this meeting happens is so prosecutors can find out the defense team’s trial strategy in advance. And sure enough, trumps lawyers revealed what they intend to harp on at trial, meaning, the DOJ gets a headstart on picking it apart.

As expected, major news outlets are reporting that Attorney General Merrick Garland was not present for this meeting. Of course he wasn’t. He already publicly denied Trump’s attorney’s request for a meeting a week or two ago, saying that this is Jack Smith’s case.

So now we know we are just days away from Jack Smith and the DOJ criminal indicting Donald Trump in the classified documents probe. And it will be days. At this point, there is nothing left for the grand jury to do but bring the indictment, which can typically be done in a day or two of grand jury time. So yeah, get your popcorn ready!


Special Counsel Jack Smith was at meeting with Trump's lawyers: report

Special Counsel Jack Smith was at the meeting former President Donald Trump's lawyers had with Department of Justice officials Monday, the New York Times reported.

Several reports revealed Donald Trump's lawyers asked for the meeting, where they requested that investigators do not indict Trump following a grand jury investigation into classified documents the former president is accused of keeping at his Mar-a-Lago home.

Following the meeting, The New York Times revealed that Smith – who has headed the probe – attended the meeting while Attorney General Merrick Garland did not.

Read More Here: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/05/us/politics/trump-justice-dept-classified-documents.html


Trump lawyers ask DOJ not to indict during meeting: report

Donald Trump's attorneys met with the Department of Justice to argue against a possible indictment.

The meeting Monday suggested that special counsel Jack Smith had nearly completed his investigation into Trump's mishandling of classified documents, although sources familiar with the probe say the special counsel has broadened his investigation of possible White House involvement in the Jan. 6 insurrection, reported the Wall Street Journal.

Sources told the Post the lawyers aimed "to argue against any indictment of the former president over his handling of classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago resort."

Trump lawyers John Rowley, James Trusty and Lindsey Halligan had requested a meeting with attorney general Merrick Garland ahead of a possible indictment, but neither he or deputy attorney general Lisa Monaco had been expected to attend Monday's meeting.

Smith's team has recently sought testimony related to the documents investigation in southern Florida, and sources told the Journal that was apparently an effort to tie up loose ends in the probe.

Read More Here: https://www.wsj.com/articles/doj-donald-trump-lawyers-document-probe-e8c8e7c3

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #6250 on: June 06, 2023, 03:30:56 AM »
Donnie has been rage posting and melting down on his failed social media site all evening. He clearly knows he is going down. Demanding and begging Merrick Garland not to indict isn't going to save Donnie.

Donnie's former White House attorney Ty Cobb was one of the first people to go on television and state his expectation that Trump is going to prison. Now that Jack Smith has met with Trump’s lawyers and presumably informed them that Trump is indeed being indicted on espionage charges that will put him in prison, Trump is going nuclear – about Cobb of all people.

Trump is throwing a fit on his social network, calling Ty Cobb "a disgruntled former Lawyer, who represented me long ago, and knows absolutely nothing about the Boxes Hoax being perpetrated upon me by the DOJ.” Trump then continues ranting for awhile, before threatening to take legal action against Cobb.

This is bizarre. There’s nothing here for Trump to even take action on. Ty Cobb is merely stating his expectation that Trump will go down for his classified documents scandal, the same expectation being expressed by most legal experts. Trump is frantically out of his mind about being indicted for espionage, and he’s lashing out in more panicked fashion than ever.





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« Reply #6251 on: June 06, 2023, 04:59:53 AM »
Why does Jack Smith have classified document grand juries in Washington DC and Florida? He may be indicting Trump in DC since that’s where Trump first stole the docs, and indicting the underlings in Florida since that’s where they first got involved in obstructing the documents.

It could also be that Smith is indicting Trump for classified documents in DC because he’ll also be indicting Trump for January 6th and wire fraud in DC, and wants all the charges against Trump to be in the same circuit.

We’ll find out soon enough why Smith is doing it this way. But the real story is that none of us knew until TODAY that Jack Smith even had two different grand juries in the classified documents case. That’s just how little we know about what all Smith has been doing.

The video below has more info on the meeting yesterday.


Trump lawyers meet with Special Counsel Jack Smith amidst ‘jail time’ warning: Melber report

Lawyers representing Donald Trump in the classified documents scandal met with Special Counsel Jack Smith at the Department of Justice in Washing today. This meeting follows the discovery of an audio tape of Trump discussing possible classified war plans. The Federal Grand Jury investigating is expected to meet this week. The Wall Street Journal reporting this signals the probe is “all but wrapped up.” MSNBC Chief Legal Correspondent Ari Melber reports.


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« Reply #6252 on: June 06, 2023, 10:04:11 AM »
Trump raked in over $80 million from businesses in UK and Ireland while president: watchdog

Donald Trump made more than $80 million from his businesses in Ireland and Scotland during his years in the White House, according to a report from the watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW).

CREW's report stated that all the money was made "with extraordinary conflicts of interest, mixing Trump’s personal financial interests with the national interests of the United States." The group claims that Trump made over a billion dollars in income while he was president, with up to $160 million of that money "coming from businesses in foreign countries with interest in U.S. foreign policy."

As CREW points out, Trump made the choice not to divest from his businesses while serving his term as president -- a choice that CREW says led to "four years of egregious conflicts of interest between his business and the government."

One of the worst conflicts, according to the report, was his Doonbeg golf course in Ireland, from which he raked in almost $25 million, and his Turnberry and Aberdeen golf properties in Scotland, where he made over $58 million. The report states that Trump used opportunities as president to promote the properties and also "extracted every penny he could from the U.S. government" by charging the Secret Service “exorbitant” rates for rooms and other charges.

Read CREW's full report here: https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-investigations/trump-made-over-80-million-from-uk-and-ireland-while-president/



We're on indictment watch': MSNBC analyst drops bad news for Trump as grand jury reconvenes

According to MSNBC analyst Ken Dilanian, the fact that the grand jury convened by special counsel Jack Smith will reportedly reconvene this week after weeks of new revelations about Donald Trump's mishandling of documents should have everyone watching for possible indictments sooner than later.

Appearing on "Morning Joe," Dilanian put the MSNBC panel and Donald Trump on notice that "we're on indictment watch."

The NBC report from over the weekend stated, "Prosecutors working for special counsel Jack Smith have been presenting the grand jury with evidence and witness testimony for months, but activity appeared to have slowed in recent weeks based on observations at the courthouse and sources.

Pressed for what to expect, Dilanian told the hosts that there is a possibility of indictments coming sooner rather than later.

"Frankly, we're on indictment watch here," he confessed. " I mean, we don't know what's going to happen but one possibility is on Wednesday the grand jury votes on whether to indict this case."

"We know the saying that prosecutors could convince a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich so that's one of the possibilities," he continued. "It's also possible they're interviewing some final witnesses in this case."

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Trump allies 'extraordinarily concerned' because 'they know he lied to feds



MSNBC'S Joe Scarborough has said it before, but this time he's pretty sure it's true -- the walls seem to finally be closing in on Donald Trump.

The former president has managed to escape consequences for a number of high crimes and misdemeanors, but the "Morning Joe" host believes a grand jury that has been hearing evidence in the Mar-a-Lago classified documents case is moving closer to an indictment.

"It's very clear this is going to be a very easy case and the pleadings will be clean, slick, to the point: Donald Trump obstructed justice," Scarborough said. "He obstructed the investigation, he lied. We're going to get to his lawyers memos that came out that Jack Smith now has that are going to be devastating for the cause, but the bottom line in this, again, let's just circle back."

"He's calling it a witch hunt, other spokespeople are calling it a witch hunt, lawyers are calling it a witch hunt," Scarborough added, "but you and I both know, based on people we have been talking to close to Donald Trump, they know this is not a witch hunt. They -- let me say the words, let me say the words -- they feel -- are you ready -- the walls -- everybody say it with me -- closing in on this one. So, yes, people can mock me for saying that, just like they mocked people on the show for saying it before the Manhattan [district attorney] came down with charges, but based on everything I'm hearing, based on what you're hearing, at least last week, they are extraordinarily concerned about indictments coming down in this case because they know he lied and he got caught lying to the feds."

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'This is it': CNN legal expert says Trump documents probe has reached its endgame



CNN legal analyst Eli Honig said on Tuesday that he has little doubt the the investigation into former President Donald Trump's handling of top-secret government documents has reached its endgame.

In breaking down the latest news about the investigation, Honig pointed to reports that special counsel Jack Smith was present at a Monday meeting with Trump's lawyers as evidence that a charging decision is coming very soon.

"The fact that Jack Smith was there is really important to me because that tells me that this is it," he said. "Jack Smith is the principal here. I don't think they're likely to give Trump's lawyers a meeting with the attorney general. That's unheard of... Jack Smith will have the crucial decision here... based on my experience, yes, it has to be ending soon. I'm not going to commit to when 'soon' is, but these meetings with defense lawyers happen at the very end."

Honig also explained how these meetings between defense lawyers and prosecutors are common, although he cast doubt on the Trump lawyers' chances of success.

"Defense lawyers come in and pitch you," Honig said. "They basically say, 'Prosecutors, these problems with your case, here's why it's a bad idea for you to charge my client.' They don't work often but sometimes they can be useful for prosecutors. I've been talked out of very borderline cases on a few instances."

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« Reply #6254 on: June 06, 2023, 10:37:28 PM »
Trump’s lawyers went into DOJ meeting ‘guns blazing’ — and it was a mistake: legal analyst



Former U.S. Attorney and Los Angeles Times legal analyst Harry Litman thinks that everything is already in place to move forward with an indictment of Donald Trump – and all that is left is to have the vote before the grand jury.

Speaking to MSNBC on Tuesday, Litman explained that, generally, the last move for defense attorneys is to plead their case before the prosecutors as a last attempt to prevent an indictment.

It "is something that is routine when it is asked for, but normally a savvy defense lawyer will try to propose some kind of deal, some kind of actual diminution of the charges," said Litman.

Trump's lawyers met with prosecutors Monday.

"And they went in guns blazing," Litman said. "Trump's reaction this morning kind of reflects that. And I agree, it may be a smidgeon farther, I think a charging decision before that meeting would have occurred, it would have all gone up to the attorney general, there would be a draft indictment, there would be a selection of which charges to bring because there are possible ones. And now once that meeting happens, I think that the only move left is [to] go to the grand jury and ask them to present a true bill."

He posted on Twitter later that the meeting seemed like nothing more than a "b---h session."

"It's the wrong time and place for that and a blown opportunity to get something from DOJ," he tweeted.

Litman went on to talk about the difference between the Florida grand jury and the Washington, D.C. one. It's possible, according to NBC News reporter Ken Dilanian, that the Florida grand jury – which will start sitting this week – involves the indictment of someone else that was helping Trump like his aides or staff, he said.

The conversation then turned to Trump's social media rants being a possible indication that he's been briefed by his lawyers on what is coming.

New York Times reporter Peter Baker suggested that the reason Trump is "exploding" is that "he knows something may be coming and [he's] certainly trying to prepare the ground for it, prepare his base, his Republican voters."

He's "trying to discredit any indictment that might come, by saying this is just one more part of the elaborate witch hunt," Baker explained. "And I haven't met anybody yet who liked the prosecutor and said nice things about them. That's not unusual. But it has been a tried and true strategy for former President Trump at least politically over the years, to try to make clear that anything that ever is alleged about him has nothing to do with him, it's all that people are out to get him. He feeds the victimization narrative, and it has been successful for him."

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'Nihilistic moron' Trump heading for another indictment: George Conway



George Conway mocked Donald Trump as a "nihilistic moron" for risking years in prison by hoarding classified documents at his private resort at Mar-a-Lago.

The former president appears to be headed toward a second indictment, after he was charged with fraud in Manhattan, and panelists on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" discussed the latest developments in the quickening investigation by special counsel Jack Smith in the Mar-a-Lago case.

"There is a sense of real panic growing at Mar-a-Lago, reflected in Trump's Truth Social tweets but also those even calmer heads in the room say, 'Look, we're concerned, we feel like a charge could be coming.'"

Trump's attorneys met Monday with officials at the Department of Justice to argue against an indictment, and conservative attorney George Conway said that showed an indictment was likely imminent.

"We are approaching the very end," Conway said. "I kept hearing this ear worm in my head as I was coming to the studio this morning, 'This is it, make no mistake.' We're getting down to the final strokes of this race, and what's clearly really remarkable about it is that of all the things that this man has done, eight decades of lying and cheating and stealing, this case, this documents case, is probably the easiest, shortest, simplest and yet carries the most severe penalties, likely penalties, of any of the cases, any of the legal issues that he's ever faced."

"Now people will say, you know, he really, in a just world, he would go to jail for what he did on Jan. 6, the weeks approaching Jan. 6," Conway added. "And I kind of agree with that, but for this man who is basically a nihilistic moron, for him to go to jail potentially for a long time, these Espionage Act charges bring very heavy sentences to potentially go to jail for something so pointless and silly and useless as keeping these documents is actually kind of fitting."

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« Reply #6255 on: June 06, 2023, 10:44:03 PM »
New reporting today that more witnesses still have yet to testify to Jack Smith's Florida grand jury. But that grand jury is targeting Trump's underlings.

The other grand jury in the classified docs probe, the one in DC, appears to have nothing left to do but indict Trump.

There is every reason to expect Jack Smith could indict Trump in DC this week, then indict the underlings in Florida next week or whenever that process finishes.

The fact that the Florida grand jury still has work to do is not an indicator of any delay in the Trump indictment.

There’s understandably a lot of confusion about the two Jack Smith grand juries in the classified documents case. To be clear, they’re both federal. When bringing federal charges you still have to do it in the state relevant to the crime. But it has nothing to do with state law. There are no state charges involved in this.

A federal grand jury in Florida would have zero connection to the state government of Florida, zero to do with Florida prosecutors, zero to do with anything Ron DeSantis oversees.

There’s something fun about the fact that the Feds have secretly had a Trump related grand jury going  in Florida all this time, and DeSantis didn’t even know about it.

But that’s *because* it has nothing to do with him or his state government.

Not that a governor would automatically know that a state prosecutor had empaneled a grand jury. Grand juries are secret until someone involved starts blabbing. But DeSantis has no connection to Jack Smith’s federal grand jury in Florida *at all*.

Days before Jack Smith indicts Trump for espionage, the Saudis are merging their LIV golf tour with the PGA.

Smith is also investigating Trump's financial involvement in LIV.

Sounds like the Saudis are trying to bury LIV while they still can. It won't work. It'll all come out.


PGA Tour agrees to merge with Saudi-backed rival LIV Golf
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/06/pga-tour-agrees-to-merge-with-saudi-backed-rival-liv-golf.html