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Re: Donald Trump Indicted!
« Reply #5992 on: April 02, 2023, 02:46:02 PM »
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Trump continues to surge in the polls and has received over $4 million in campaign donations since this ridiculous political indictment.  Magnificent.  At least some people are still willing to stand up to the Stalinist purge at risk to themselves. 

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5993 on: April 03, 2023, 04:04:10 AM »
Kyle Griffin  @kylegriffin1

Breaking WaPo: Justice Department and FBI investigators have amassed fresh evidence pointing to possible obstruction by Trump in the classified documents investigation.

Investigators "increasingly suspect Trump went through boxes after [the] subpoena."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/04/02/trump-mar-a-lago-obstruction-classified/

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1642613058047561734


Kyle Griffin @kylegriffin1

WaPo: Investigators now suspect, based on witness statements, security footage, and other evidence, that boxes including classified material were moved from a Mar-a-Lago storage area after the subpoena was served, and that Trump personally examined at least some of those boxes.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1642614324358250498

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5994 on: April 03, 2023, 04:29:09 AM »
No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen @NoLieWithBTC

Here is Trump and his supporters yesterday in Waco with their hands over their hearts while a pro-January 6 insurrection anthem — NOT the US national anthem — plays.

The screen is playing footage of MAGA insurrectionists attacking the Capitol.

They are EMBRACING violence.




https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1640028507672653826


No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen @NoLieWithBTC

Here is footage of their pro-insurrection song, sung by the “J6 choir” and cutting out parts of the US anthem to replace with Trump’s own words.

The screen is playing footage of cops being attacked.

Proceeds of the song go to jailed insurrectionists.


Watch: https://twitter.com/i/status/1640036570756521986

https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1640028507672653826

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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« Reply #5995 on: April 03, 2023, 04:37:36 AM »
From the Murdoch-owned New York Post


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5996 on: April 03, 2023, 10:22:48 AM »
'He is scared': Trump biographer says Donald can't process his fear — and that's why he's freaking out online



Speaking to MSNBC on Sunday, a former biographer of Donald Trump's explained that there's no real psychological or emotional understanding of what it means to be held accountable for anything.

"Donald has no history of that will allow him to process what's going on," said David Cay Johnston. "He has gotten away with crimes and wrongdoing, everything from plying 12, 13, and 14-year-old children to gamble in his casinos, by giving them liquor and limousines and rooms in his, and being involved up to his eyeballs with a major international cocaine trafficker for which he did major favors — to getting away with lying under oath in some proceedings. So, here, Donald is very aware that he is at risk. He simply doesn't know how to process that. So, he is scared you are seeing his fear and his growing fear in the things he's posting to Truth Social and the comments he's making in public."

Johnston and other Trump experts, along with his niece, Mary Trump, have analyzed the former president and noted that never in his life has he been held accountable for anything. His father always bailed him out. With every business failure he experienced, his father fixed the situation and gave him even more money.

Despite multiple allegations against Trump over the years, this is the first time he has personally been charged with a crime. There are civil matters and lawsuits he's faced, but nothing that was a felony. Meanwhile, Trump is facing possible charges in Fulton County, Georgia, and from special counsel Jack Smith for his role on Jan. 6 and the theft of government documents. That piece is the most significant case, Johnston claimed.

"The other is Donald stealing national security documents," continued Johnston, "which the court record indicates included material that would allow someone to identify undercover agents or our assets — the assets being someone inside the Kremlin speaking out to the intelligence services. And that is a very serious matter for Trump. But he's going to want to focus instead on what Donald regards as the illegitimate prosecution of him. Understand, to Donald, he should not be prosecuted. He has not done anything wrong. Donald once said he never asked God for forgiveness because he's never done anything in his life that would require him to ask forgiveness."

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Trump will only abide by a gag order when 'he finally recognizes the severity of his predicament': biographer



Bloomberg Opinion editor and “TrumpNation: The Art of Being the Donald" author Tim O'Brien cited only one other occasion in which Donald Trump faced serious legal jeopardy. In that case, he explained, it was Trump and his father, Fred Trump Sr., who were being prosecuted by the justice department for racial discrimination.

Now Trump is in trouble again, only this time, his father isn't here to bail him out.

You know, there is this myth around him that he has eluded the law time in time again, but the reality is that he's never had this kind of legal artillery lined up on his doorstep," said O'Brien. "I think, of course, he is afraid of it as any person would be who is facing the possibility of being perp-walked in front of the country. And I think he is most likely going to go to the streets in this. So, when he says he will have a press conference and he will make an announcement after he is arraigned, I would look for any dog whistles, as he's already done. He will use racial and racist dog whistles, but I think the real concern here is the extent to which he and the people around him, and some members of his own party, used this to foment violence just like he did on Jan 6th. I think he is cornered. I think when he has exhausted all of these legal remedies and legal strategies to stave this off, the default will be to go to the streets, go to his supporters, and encourage violence."

abide by a gag order, and O'Brien chuckled, saying it would never happen.

"Donald Trump is a lawyer's worst nightmare," he explained. "If he actually abides by a gag order in this case, it will probably mean that he finally recognizes the severity of his predicament. Although, I think this is the least potent of the legal danger that he faces. He doesn't listen to his lawyers. He's never listened to advisers. I don't anticipate him following a gag order."

There has been an ongoing question about whether media will be allowed in the court or if a proceeding will be revealed to the public. There have been arguments on both sides, with some saying if Trump is convicted or acquitted, there would be conspiracy theories on both sides, if the trial isn't televised to the public.

O'Brien explained that Trump is a media addict, so he would want the trial to be public.

"On the other hand, there's a strong chance we will be humiliated in that courtroom, and he won't want that," he continued. Any other defendant would want their rights to be preserved, and transparency might be important in that respect. So, he'll probably be conflicted.

"And remember, he watched what happened to his CFO, Allen Weisselberg. He saw Allen Weisselberg perp-walked in front of cameras, and I think it horrified him, and I don't think he wants that for himself."

O'Brien also said that he thinks Trump will want to sneak in the back door and not be seen, and he'd prefer to make statements after at Mar-a-Lago or a place like that on his own ground with his own people in a more controlled environment.

He closed by calling out Republicans, who are coming to Trump's aide, noting that the GOP used to be the party of "law and order," but now "they're the party of chaos."

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Trump family 'rattled' as 'messy' legal team turns on each other over indictment



According to the New York Times' Maggie Haberman, despite a sense of calm projected from Donald Trump's lawyers, the former president's legal team is in turmoil after being caught flat-footed by the indictment handed down by a Manhattan grand jury last Thursday.

In an interview with her own paper's David Leonhardt, Haberman also claimed that the former president's family is also not taking the news of the reportedly 30-count sealed indictment well.

Asked what is going on at Mar-a-Lago after Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg's office confirmed the indictment and a court date, Haberman claimed interactions among Trump's lawyers have gotten "messy."

"You’ve reported that Trump and his aides were surprised by the news and didn’t expect an indictment for a few weeks — if at all. What’s the atmosphere like at Mar-a-Lago on the days after?' Leonhardt asked.

According to Haberman, Trump's people were more prepared on the "political front," but that was about all.

"Another is the legal front, which is messy because his team has had a lot of infighting, and there’s finger-pointing about why they were so caught off guard," she explained before elaborating, "The lawyers also don’t yet know the charges because it’s a sealed indictment."

"Finally, there is the emotional front. While Trump is not said to be throwing things, he is extremely angry and his family is, not surprisingly, rattled," she added.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/02/briefing/donald-trump-indictment-arrest.html

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #5997 on: April 03, 2023, 10:42:20 AM »
DOJ warrant cites fresh evidence Trump may have moved his documents around to hide them after FBI searches



The Washington Post reported Sunday afternoon that more evidence might have become available to prove obstructions of justice for the theft of the government documents taken back to Mar-a-Lago.

Trump refused to turn the documents over for nearly a year when the Justice Department and FBI got involved. The FBI was then given an envelope with additional documents, but that still wasn't everything. Ultimately, the DOJ got a search warrant and went to Mar-a-Lago to get the documents.

According to the fresh evidence, there is more that has been discovered pointing to former President Donald Trump's obstructions of justice, those familiar told the Post.

"The additional evidence comes as investigators have used emails and text messages from a former Trump aide to help understand key moments last year," the report explained, citing the sources.

Special counsel Jack Smith is at work on the documents case as well as anything around the Jan. 6 attack.

The report highlighted that the key difference between documents found at Trump's home and those found at former Vice President Mike Pence's or President Joe Biden's is the intent and the obstruction. Both Pence and Biden say they were unaware that they had the information. Trump knew because he was told about it so many times when being asked for it to be returned prior to the DOJ being involved.

"Investigators now suspect, based on witness statements, security camera footage, and other documentary evidence, that boxes including classified material were moved from a Mar-a-Lago storage area after the subpoena was served, and that Trump personally examined at least some of those boxes," the Post said, citing their sources. "While Trump’s team returned some documents with classified markings in response to the subpoena, a later FBI search found more than 100 additional classified items that had not been turned over."

The details are coming from court documents that are asking for judicial authorization for the FBI to do a search of Trump's home, because of “evidence of obstruction will be found at the premises.”

Court papers filed seeking judicial authorization for the FBI to conduct the search of Trump’s home show agents due to “evidence of obstruction will be found at the premises.”

The violations of statutes cited in the documents include 18 USC 1519, which says that it is a crime to alter, destroy, mutilate or conceal a document or tangible object “with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence the investigation or proper administration of any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency.”

This information could be additional evidence to prove Trump's intent.

Read More Here; https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/04/02/trump-mar-a-lago-obstruction-classified/



Trump indictment case exposes former president's weaponization of his own DOJ against Michael Cohen



Michael Cohen has spoken out about Donald Trump's weaponization of the Justice Department in his most recent book, on his podcast and in interviews.

But speaking to MSNBC on Sunday, his lawyer Lanny Davis, opened with his complaint of how unorthodox and unethical it was for the Southern District of New York to give Cohen 48 hours to plead guilty to every crime they told him to or they'd go after his wife. To be clear, Cohen's wife has never done anything wrong and has never been accused of doing anything wrong, such less been involved in Trump matters.

"We know from the public record that Trump has a penchant for putting for attempting to interfere in investigations that pose a threat to him," MSNBC host Ayman Mohyeldin said. "We know that Trump has a penchant for putting pressure on the Southern District of New York. After all, Trump's first attorney general, Jeff Sessions, fired then-U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara from his role overseeing the Souther District after he refused a request to resign. Months later, Bharara said that he believed that if he had stayed, Donald Trump would have asked him, 'to do something inappropriate.' Years later, the Trump appointee to oversee the Southern District of New York, Jeffrey Berman, released a book [and] in that book, he alleged that Trump sought to use the U.S. Attorney's Office to support Trump politically and pursue his critics, even pushing the office to open a criminal investigation of former Secretary of State John Kerry."

It's hard to connect the dots, but it's something that goes along with what Cohen and Davis are alleging, said Mohyeldin.

"He makes very important points here first of all," Trump biographer David Cay Johnston said of Davis' allegations. "Under Trump, the Justice Department wasn't the U.S. Justice Department, it was the Trump Justice Department. We saw Bill Barr engaging in all sorts of behaviors and having subordinates do them that are just not appropriate for the Justice Department. So, I think there is a very valid point that he has made here about how his client, Michael Cohen, was treated. I thought in this segment, he pointed out very well that prosecutors used people who have committed multiple murders, commercial murders, in order to make cases. This case, I have said repeatedly, will not be a single string. It will be a fabric of interconnected crimes that they're going to weave together for the jury."

When asked about the comments from Davis, a former prosecutor from special counsel Robert Mueller's team, Andrew Weissmann, explained that it is typical for state prosecutors and federal prosecutors to have "turf disputes." Meaning, the last thing that they want is two different offices investigating someone for the same crime.

"There's enough crime to go around," Weissmann quipped.

"What was more interesting was that the Southern District was apparently told by the then-attorney general to stop after taking a plea from one participant in the conspiracy because the other conspirator was Donald Trump," he continued. "The reports are that you had the attorney general of the United States saying, do not continue any investigation which is permissible under the DOJ rules. I worked on the Mueller investigation, all of that was very much an investigation into the conduct of the president of the United States. The only thing you couldn't do under DOJ policy is actually charge the president. But you could investigate. So, I thought that was the very interesting part that there was a stand down from the attorney general to the Southern District of New York, and then apparently the southern district then booted it back to the DA's office, which is why we are in the position where we are in now this is a state case, not a federal case."

The interesting piece about the case being a state case is that under the pardon rules, Trump could never pardon himself or be pardoned by a president for the charges in New York. So, by the Trump DOJ forcing the case back to New York instead of the SDNY, Trump's DOJ actually made things worse for Trump.

In Trump's case, however, while no one has seen the charges, what will likely be cited in the case is that Trump created false business records around the hush money payments to hide them.

See the three videos below, Lanny Davis' interview, David Cay Johnston and Andrew Weissmann's:






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Re: Donald Trump Indicted!
« Reply #5998 on: April 03, 2023, 11:17:40 AM »
That's right.  In the new American Soviet style justice system "everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence."  Just ask Nancy.  As usual the radical leftists are blinded by their obsessive hatred and desire to get Trump at all costs and have played into his hands.  This ridiculous prosecution just bolsters his already surging 2024 chances.  No other person in human history could have withstood the collective effort of the political establishment, media, and justice system to destroy him at any cost.  The ends justify any means.  And now Trump is guaranteed the Republican nomination.  With Ukraine Joe increasingly exhibiting advanced dementia and with his poll numbers at historic lows, the Dems are in panic mode.

I see you're still posting falsehoods.

Donald Trump's and the right wing media's favorite pollster Rasmussen has President Biden at a 46% approval rating nationally.

So no, that's not "historic lows" as you falsely stated. 46% makes Biden popular among likely voters.

Next time, post accurate information.

Thanks.   


Daily Presidential Tracking Poll

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll, for Monday April 3, shows that 46% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Biden’s job performance.

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/current_events/politics/prez_track_apr03

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Re: Donald Trump Indicted!
« Reply #5999 on: April 03, 2023, 11:32:22 AM »
Yes Maria, this is really happening!

Donald Trump has been indicted on 34 counts with 1 being a felony. He will also be indicted by Fulton County, Georgia for election fraud and most likely by the DOJ. Trump will be arrested on Tuesday, he will soon be convicted, and then sent to prison for the rest of his life. Sadly, right wing Republicans in Congress are trying to obstruct justice, but there's nothing they or Trump's rabid supporters can do to stop Trump's indictment and imprisonment from happening. Republicans certainly do not believe in "the rule of law", they only believe in protecting Donald Trump from his crimes. That's not a poliical party, thats a cult.


'This is really happening!' Maria Bartiromo freaks out to Jim Jordan over Trump indictment



Fox News host Maria Bartiromo pushed Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) to subpoena Manhattan D.A. Alvin Bragg after a grand jury voted to indict former President Donald Trump over alleged hush money payments to a porn star.

During an interview on Sunday, Bartiromo asked Jordan to hold Bragg accountable in Congress.

"But, Congressman, I mean, this is really happening!" Bartiromo fretted. "I mean, Trump is preparing to surrender after this indictment on Tuesday."

"Well, they keep saying, oh, you're not supposed to be involved because, you know, this is a local prosecution decision," she told Jordan.

"And we're saying, well, look, you use federal funds," Jordan replied. "We think this grew out of the special counsel investigation, as I said earlier, which is obviously a federal statute. And maybe, most importantly, this involves the most important election we have, the election for president of the United States."

"Well, what are you — when are you expecting to speak with Alvin Bragg if he does not come to testify in front of the Judiciary Committee?" Bartiromo asked. "Will you subpoena him?"

"Everything's on the table, Maria," Jordan stated.

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